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    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    Varian's death was caused by Grommash when he impregnated his wife.
    It was caused by Aggramar who created the Breakers
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopsnacker View Post
    Of course you can say that a lot of people influenced of what happened at the broken shore, but in the end Wrathion was the key that literally started everything that happened for the last three expansions. He was the one manipulating both the horde and the alliance to destroy the horde and get a strong force to defend against the legion.

    But if his plan worked out Varian might not have died.
    That would be Thrall, had he not put Garrosh as Warchief but Cairne, the Alliance and the Horde would have become an unstopable force

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanoro View Post
    "Inept" vs demons that have been practicing manipulation, deception, and outright mind control for millennia.
    They are spies... their whole existence is manipulation and deception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    They are spies... their whole existence is manipulation and deception.
    Read up on the Rogue Legion campaign.

    Amazing sig, done by mighty Lokann

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venziir View Post
    Read up on the Rogue Legion campaign.
    I did the Rogue legion campaign. The whole organization was screwed up, but none of the non-legion spies had any idea. Even though that's their job. I'm not blaming them for an inevitability, but their failures during Legion have more to do with people dying than Wrathion; and yet we get nothing from Anduin in the way of "throwing blame."

    Edit:
    I'm aware what sets off the purging of SI7 is because someone does figure it out and gets killed in the Sewer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    His plan was constantly evolving. Early on he was backing Garrosh then he switched to backing Varian when he felt Garrosh' position was untenable. What he and Kairoz wanted out of Garrosh during WoD is anyone's guess; I am quite unsure they wanted the Iron Horde as it shaped to be.
    I think a big part of it was Wrathion just plain overestimating himself and his ability to control things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trassk View Post
    There basically showing anduin having as insane and desperate logic as most forum posters. That's what a fragile mind does, only in anduins case it's due to old god influence
    This is probably the best way of putting it (no offense to any that agree with Anduin)
    change can't wait.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    It was caused by Aggramar who created the Breakers
    Aman'thul who found Aggramar's planet and prepared everything for his awakening.
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matrix123mko View Post
    Aman'thul who found Aggramar's planet and prepared everything for his awakening.
    We should blame the Light and Void for giving birth to the universe
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Well, I blame Blizzard for creating the Warcraft universe to begin with

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nize View Post
    Well, I blame Blizzard for creating the Warcraft universe to begin with
    *punching Metzen*
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lopment-thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevcairiel View Post
    If you are suggesting to take my Night Elfs Shadowmeld away, then please find some pike to run yourself through, tyvm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    His plan was constantly evolving. Early on he was backing Garrosh then he switched to backing Varian when he felt Garrosh' position was untenable. What he and Kairoz wanted out of Garrosh during WoD is anyone's guess; I am quite unsure they wanted the Iron Horde as it shaped to be.
    Kairoz stated he wanted to stop not just in one alternate Draenor, but multiple ones, and forge a multi-universal Horde under his (and presumably Wrathion's) control to confront the Legion.
    -- Remember, never look over the long term story and try to piece together what Blizzard planned, only take singular moments out of context and blow them way out of proportion. We can argue better that way. Every time I try to look at the story as Blizzard are presenting it I'm either called a shill or a fanfiction writer. - Powerogue 2019

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    In his infinite wisdom, his attempt to stop the Burning Legion invasion caused the Burning Legion invasion.

    I look forward to the raid so I can punch him too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Daevelian View Post
    So this is how far the Lore forum has fallen? Eesh.
    I take it back, BfA is not the lowest the games lore could have gone, this thread proves that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    And just like the thread before it, let's back away from sexualizing Azshara and return to the original topic at hand.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Aucald View Post
    The punch to the face is the result of N'Zoth's influence spreading on Azeroth, but the anger is pretty much all genuine.
    It's implied to be N'zoth's influence but it isn't necessarily the issue. And it seems that N'zoth creates delusions, he does not really seem to compel actions. You just do what you would normally do if you truly believed what N'zoth was showing you is real.
    I think Anduin punching Wrathion makes sense anyway. You react different to peers and friends than you do to mentors and professional relations.
    Hail Lilith and see you in Hell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    In his infinite wisdom, his attempt to stop the Burning Legion invasion caused the Burning Legion invasion.

    I look forward to the raid so I can punch him too.
    Too bad it's not the real Wrathion

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Nize View Post
    Well, I blame Blizzard for creating the Warcraft universe to begin with
    I blame them for consistently hiring ripoff artists and fanfiction level hacks to do their writing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'll buy an Anduin shirt if Delaryn doesn't end up betraying Sylvanas by the end of the expansion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex86el View Post
    "Orc want, orc take." and "Orc dissagrees, orc kill you to win argument."
    Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/

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