As long as you have scaling raids/dungeons, I won't do them

[Rucati]

I love how so many people here try to gatekeep their heroic/mythic raiding thinking people not doing it are not capable of doing it. I am perfectly capable, I just don't have any motivation to do it because I already beat the raid. Is that so hard to understand?

The motivation is the challenge, or the rewards, or seeing all the encounters how they were fully designed to be played.

If you don't care about any of those things, which you obviously don't, LFR exists for people like you. You're literally the intended target for LFR, so why are you complaining?

[Lolites]

Does it really though? Think many people prefer lich king style of dungeons/raids than the crapfest that's been handed to us since Legion.

many? perhaps
majority? definitely not
and its not like you HAVE TO do m+ dungeons, you dont even have to do mythic dungeons you can do heroics, get some gear from other activity and jump straight to raids...

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it's optional.

so is doing higher/lower difficulty content in wow...

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Let's see how long the game survives if LFR would be the only difficulty and there is no reason to do any thing beyond that.

not long, but i would say longer than if the only difficulty is mythic (or maybe even hc)...
having any single difficulty just have no advantage

[Specialka]

Were there no challenges in TBC? Hello? They have 1 difficulty.

Why does 1 difficulty = LFR difficulty? It does not.

I love how so many people here try to gatekeep their heroic/mythic raiding thinking people not doing it are not capable of doing it. I am perfectly capable, I just don't have any motivation to do it because I already beat the raid. Is that so hard to understand?

"If you don't like LFR just don't do it LOL" - Same argument being used with flying mounts - "If you don't like flying mounts just don't use them LOL".

So you play all games in easy mode and call it done?

[Neklord]

Raids and dungeons should just be a social experience like they were in the past and not this exclusive experience that Blizzard thinks is fun. Ion is ruining this game with his elitist attitude and the rest of the developers are just as bad because they don't care anymore, always appealing to the less than 1%.

[Chonar]

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[Alydael]

I am tired of constantly seeing scaling dungeons and raids. It is a bad and lazy design that completely puts me, and MANY others, off doing it.

My motivation to do a raid is to "beat it". My motivation to do content before it, is to get gear so I can do the later content.

Once I beat Illidan in TBC, I quit raiding. I know sunwell came after, but my motivation was set on Illidan. Once I beat Lich King on NORMAL difficulty with a bunch of dumb catch up week stacks in WotLK, I quit raiding. In Cataclysm, I only did 10 man, cuz it's less effort to beat the content. After LFR, I have quit raiding completely.

This whole M+ system is so unbelieveably unfun. I enjoyed Kara in Legion as a "megadungeon" with only 1 difficulty. How hard is it to keep dungeons being 1 difficulty?

People started bitching a little in WotLK when there was hard modes in Ulduar, and when it turned to a UI choice in Trail raid, it really started rubbing people the wrong way.

Classic has no scaling. TBC has only scaling in Dungeons (would have been better without heroics too). These are the best parts of WoW. Coincidence? I think not...

Shadowlands, same stupid scaling systems.

How exactly is it fun to do the same boss fight again with higher HP/DPS?

EDIT:
Look at games like Dark Souls, being much more enjoyable exactly BECAUSE they don't have a difficulty slider.

What we need is some raids being easy (early ones) and some being hard (last raid of the expansion). Then guilds can get stuck at whatever skill level they are at. It's completely OK that Method beats the early raids in a week.

You don't have to do them, they are optional content. I don't think Blizz expects you to want to do each and every activity in the game. Some people like them though, so why would you want to ruin it for those people if it doesn't really make a difference to you? Seems a little... selfish?

I don't really worry about the parts of the game I don't play since it doesn't really concern me.

Also: TBC has a scaling raid- Black temple scales during the time walking week.

[cparle87]

Most people don't care if there is multiple or 1 difficulty. They don't think further than "Am I having fun?". That's the extent of their logic. They don't say "I only have fun if we have 4 difficulties and unlimited dungeon scaling", do they?

And I think more people would say they are having fun if the dungeon and raid system was "I do this so I can beat this next boss".

So you want it to either be so easy that everyone can do it and there's no challenge or hard enough that most people won't be able to do it (a la BC) and Blizzard is wasting their money creating content no one is going to see.

[Stooned]

I am tired of constantly seeing scaling dungeons and raids. It is a bad and lazy design that completely puts me, and MANY others, off doing it.

My motivation to do a raid is to "beat it". My motivation to do content before it, is to get gear so I can do the later content.

Once I beat Illidan in TBC, I quit raiding. I know sunwell came after, but my motivation was set on Illidan. Once I beat Lich King on NORMAL difficulty with a bunch of dumb catch up week stacks in WotLK, I quit raiding. In Cataclysm, I only did 10 man, cuz it's less effort to beat the content. After LFR, I have quit raiding completely.

This whole M+ system is so unbelieveably unfun. I enjoyed Kara in Legion as a "megadungeon" with only 1 difficulty. How hard is it to keep dungeons being 1 difficulty?

People started bitching a little in WotLK when there was hard modes in Ulduar, and when it turned to a UI choice in Trail raid, it really started rubbing people the wrong way.

Classic has no scaling. TBC has only scaling in Dungeons (would have been better without heroics too). These are the best parts of WoW. Coincidence? I think not...

Shadowlands, same stupid scaling systems.

How exactly is it fun to do the same boss fight again with higher HP/DPS?

EDIT:
Look at games like Dark Souls, being much more enjoyable exactly BECAUSE they don't have a difficulty slider.

What we need is some raids being easy (early ones) and some being hard (last raid of the expansion). Then guilds can get stuck at whatever skill level they are at. It's completely OK that Method beats the early raids in a week.

"Okay then. You will have no impact on our decision making" - Blizzard

[ecospherez]

Don't you see how it works? Don't you understand that what you want and how you see your version of this game isn't what others do?

For instance, stick with me here. I played back then also, it had no replayability, you finished a dungeon, you finished a raid, it was over, you AFK'ed in hubs or rolled an alt.

You see now, there are tons and tons of different difficulties in every aspect of PVE, i like this. I think M+ is 1 of the best systems ever introduced to this game and raiding is much better than back then.

That's also just my opinion though and i don't claim it's the best parts of wow, because i also understand people will disagree.

Nice blog post, just unsub mate and move on.

[kranur]

Oh for sure. I remember the joy and happiness of players when the majority of the could not even enter BT/Hyjal because of the Vashj/Kael block. Or even better, the ones doomed to t4, ZA and heroics forever because they couldn't dedicate days to raid.
Devs also loved how all those raids only got seen by 1%.

I'm wondering, if blizzard decided to remove all difficulties but mythic, what guild would accept the OP to raid only until he kills the last boss once.

@OP Then don't do them. We will, and we'll enjoy them.

[Bumbasta]

One of these days the devs are going to make a change you don't like and you'll try to find someone to complain to about it. I hope they find the message of yours that I quoted and dismiss your complaint the same way you did to OP.

There's enough asepcts of the game I don't like, battle pet for instance. I also have the same solution to the problem as you have, I don't play the parts of the game I don't like. I however do not go to the battlepets forum to complain about it. There are people who enjoy them, just like ppl enjoy dungeon scaling, so I let them be.

[StPaul]

I am perfectly capable, I just don't have any motivation to do it because I already beat the raid. Is that so hard to understand?

Except you didn't. You've beat a dumbed down version of it for people that are not capable of beating playing the proper version.
It's like you'd go swiming in your back yard pool and then pretend you've won the Olympics

[Sezh]

Were there no challenges in TBC? Hello? They have 1 difficulty.

Why does 1 difficulty = LFR difficulty? It does not.

I love how so many people here try to gatekeep their heroic/mythic raiding thinking people not doing it are not capable of doing it. I am perfectly capable, I just don't have any motivation to do it because I already beat the raid. Is that so hard to understand?

"If you don't like LFR just don't do it LOL" - Same argument being used with flying mounts - "If you don't like flying mounts just don't use them LOL".

BC was challenging when players were at the level they were when it was new content. It has no challenge for players of the highest caliber that play the game today. Put my raid team in any BC raid with enough gear and every single boss is a oneshot. Without a single doubt.

1 difficulty does not even have to be LFR. It's enough that 1 difficulty is heroic (which it won't be) to mean absolutely zero challenge to players like myself. Only mythic poses any challenge. And the single difficulty you're suggesting would not be mythic, so I would have absolutely no reason to play, because I play games to challenge myself.

There's no gatekeeping going on. Many people are not able to step into mythic. That's not the same as saying many people are not capable of ever stepping into mythic if they try hard enough. Not everyone wants to try hard and learn the game enough in order to be able to comfortably step into mythic. That's fine, that's why we have multiple difficulties.

[Akibaboy]

Once I beat Illidan in TBC, I quit raiding. I know sunwell came after, but my motivation was set on Illidan. Once I beat Lich King on NORMAL difficulty with a bunch of dumb catch up week stacks in WotLK, I quit raiding. In Cataclysm, I only did 10 man, cuz it's less effort to beat the content. After LFR, I have quit raiding completely.

In other words, you only want to do easy stuff and then quit. No one else should have the opportunity to challenge themselves because you don't like it. What's keeping you from doing Mythic 0 dungeons and normal raids and quitting now?

[Steelcryo]

I'm not sure what your complaint is.

You say once you do content, you're done. Then you say you want content to be harder.

So you remove M+ do a dungeon and kill it so you stop playing and complain that it was too easy and there's not enough content.

Or they implement hard dungeons from the get go and you do it and die, do it and die, do it and die, then finally clear it.

How is that second scenario any different from going through M+? But with M+ and scaling instead of dying, you start low, clear it and move onto a harder difficulty until you hit a wall. In both scenarios facing the same bosses over and over again, just in M+ you're actually getting some kills and rewards along the way.

As for raids, you say remove LFR because people only do it because it's the path of least resistance, which is true, but removing that won't magically make people want to do normal difficulty or higher. Most people that run LFR do so because they just want to see the story and have no interest in raiding. I am one of those people. I've done high level raiding, I've done casual raiding and now I have no interest in raiding except to see story.

Despite the people that think they know better than Blizz (who actually have the data) claiming it's killing the game, LFR is one of the best things to happen to WoW for people like me. Back before LFR, I knew loads of people that would watch videos of the raids instead of doing it themselves because they didn't have the time or patience to get into a raid guild and do the raids themselves, so unless they watched videos, they missed out on huge chunks of story. Removing LFR wouldn't make people do normal or harder difficulties, it would just make a load of people stop playing.

The point I'm trying to make, is scaling for dungeons and raids adds accessibility to the game that allows so many more people to enjoy the game how they want. If you aren't enjoying it and need to be forced to do content, that's a you problem and WoW probably isn't the game for you anymore.