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    Entire Russian Government Resigns, Giving Putin Total Power.

    I guess they are following China's lead and making him like Emperor Xi?

    Russian government resigns as Putin plans future
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51120166

    Russia's government has resigned, hours after President Vladimir Putin proposed sweeping constitutional changes that could prolong his stay in power.

    PM Dmitry Medvedev said the president's proposals would significantly change Russia's balance of power.

    Mr Putin asked Mr Medvedev to become deputy head of the National Security Council, which is chaired by Mr Putin.

    The unexpected announcement comes four years before Mr Putin's fourth term of office is due to end.

    Under the existing constitution he would not be entitled to another term and the Russian leader said during his speech to both chambers of parliament that there would be a nationwide vote on changes that would shift power from the presidency to parliament.

    Russian government sources told the BBC that ministers did not know about the government's resignation ahead of the announcement.

    "It was a complete surprise," one source said.

    Mr Medvedev has been prime minister for several years. He previously served as president from 2008-2012, switching roles with Mr Putin - a close ally - after the latter served his first two terms as president.

    Russia's constitution only allows presidents to serve two consecutive terms.

    Even when he was prime minister, Mr Putin was widely seen as the power behind then President Medvedev.

    "These changes, when they are adopted... will introduce substantial changes not only to an entire range of articles of the constitution, but also to the entire balance of power, the power of the executive, the power of the legislature, the power of judiciary," Mr Medvedev said of Mr Putin's proposals.

    "In this context... the government in its current form has resigned."

    Mr Medvedev made his announcement on state television with President Putin sitting next to him. Mr Putin thanked Mr Medvedev for his work but said "not everything" had been accomplished.

    BBC Moscow correspondent Sarah Rainsford said the reason why Mr Putin had removed Mr Medvedev was unclear.

    The outgoing government will remain in situ until the new one is appointed although a new prime minister to replace Mr Medvedev must be appointed within two weeks.

    Correspondents say possible candidates to succeed Mr Medvedev include Economy Minister Maxim Oreshkin, Mayor of Moscow Sergei Sobyanin and Energy Minister Alexander Novak.

    What else did Mr Putin say?
    In his address to parliament, the president unveiled a series of plans to increase the number of children being born in Russia. Like several other eastern European states, Russia has been struggling with a declining birth rate.

    Last year Mr Putin promised tax breaks for bigger families.

    On Wednesday he pledged state funding for new mothers in a bid to increase the number of children being born from an average of fewer than 1.5 per woman to 1.7 within four years.

    So-called "maternity capital" has until now only been paid to families with at least two children.

    Welfare benefits will also be paid for children aged three to seven in low-income families, and free school meals will be provided for the first four years of school.

    Russia's population has struggled to recover from a dramatic decline in the 1990s.

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    The Unstoppable Force Breccia's Avatar
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    It looks like this is a power move to weaken whoever follows Putin, by virtue of weakening the Presidency and strengthening the Prime Minister position, then Putin becomes Prime Minister forever.

    I am of the opinion that the current Russian PM is resigning and getting out of the way before he falls out a window onto food poisoning.

    No-one is above the law.

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    we gonna drone strike him?

    deterrence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It looks like this is a power move to weaken whoever follows Putin, by virtue of weakening the Presidency and strengthening the Prime Minister position, then Putin becomes Prime Minister forever.

    I am of the opinion that the current Russian PM is resigning and getting out of the way before he falls out a window onto food poisoning.
    I have heard the opinion that one reason Putin is staying in power is that as soon as he leaves, they will come for him and the billions he's stolen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    It looks like this is a power move to weaken whoever follows Putin, by virtue of weakening the Presidency and strengthening the Prime Minister position, then Putin becomes Prime Minister forever.

    I am of the opinion that the current Russian PM is resigning and getting out of the way before he falls out a window onto food poisoning.
    same playbook Putin played when going from president to PM, or the other way around... it really doesn't matter, because Russia.

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    Oh my god, are you saying that Putin is a dictator?

    I am shoock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    I have heard the opinion that one reason Putin is staying in power is that as soon as he leaves, they will come for him and the billions he's stolen.
    Putin and Netenyaho have that in common.

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    Isn't Emperor spelled Czar in Russian?

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    The Insane Belize's Avatar
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    @Shackler what's happening in turniptopia? I thought y'all were a shining beacon of Democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    Isn't Emperor spelled Czar in Russian?
    Czar
    Tsar
    General Secretary

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    Oh noes! The man who wielded complete power will now continue to wield complete power! It's just like China where the guy who wielded complete power then changed his job title so Westerners would know that he was in charge whilst the people of China were all like ",Yeh he's the boss. You guys didn't know?".

    In short, no meaningful change beyond continuing a trend where dictators stop pretending they aren't dictators. We eagerly await Trump's next tweet asking why he can't just do the same.

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    So Putin becomes PM for life and has stooge Medvedev become president again. so shocked! /s

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    Guess instead of making a joke out of their sham constitution again just to have Putin stay in power another decade, he and his pals now simply plan to move presidential powers to "parliament" and make Putin Prime Minister for life there, so he won't have to deal with all this terms limit thing and effectively still retain all the power.

    Then they will make some puppet a president, just like that puppet Medvedev was a PM or "President" whether it was needed.

    All par the course. At least they do not build full sized statues of Putin... yet. Trying to keep appearances of "we're totally not Soviets" for the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    So Putin becomes PM for life and has stooge Medvedev become president again. so shocked! /s
    It's likely that Medvedev will effectively be let go, being given some sham position with impressive title and little actual power somewhere away from cameras and shit. He's not popular in Russia, as Russians are not that dumb and see exactly what he is - a puppet that stole a fortune while being Putin's bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohtlmtlm View Post
    Putin and Netenyaho have that in common.
    You just can't help yourself can you? Pitiful.

    Reminds me of this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post

    You just can't help yourself can you? Pitiful.
    Care to elaborate? He has criminal charges levied against him, but the Israeli constitution prohibits a sitting PM from facing prosecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post

    It's likely that Medvedev will effectively be let go, being given some sham position with impressive title and little actual power somewhere away from cameras and shit. He's not popular in Russia, as Russians are not that dumb and see exactly what he is - a puppet that stole a fortune while being Putin's bitch.
    like any of that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohtlmtlm View Post
    Care to elaborate? He has criminal charges levied against him, but the Israeli constitution prohibits a sitting PM from facing prosecution.
    What... The... Fuck... Netanyahu has to do with this conversation?

    You compare Putin and Netanyahu? You serious?

    Israel does not even have a constitution and he will be prosecuted just fine, give it literally 2 months. There is no law that gives immunity to sitting PM in Israel, that's why he's desperately trying to drag the whole thing out, in hopes of maybe managing to get enough votes to create coalition that might grant him that immunity.

    He can ask for immunity, but this won't fly because he does not have the government or power to make it happen.

    He is so far from Putin, that it's almost laughable to compare two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    like any of that matters.
    No it does not, because that's how Russia works for hundreds of years. In the end, someone else will replace Putin eventually and blame all country woes on him... and after that another will do just the same to his predecessor.

    It's literally WoW there - there must always be a Czar King. It's same shit for centuries there, they just change the position name, flags and hymn, but whether it's Czar, Chairman, President or Prime Minister - it's all same shit in the end - a guy with absolute power surrounded by cronies keeping unwashed masses in check via coersion and fake made up conflicts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    What... The... Fuck... Netanyahu has to do with this conversation?

    You compare Putin and Netanyahu? You serious?

    Israel does not even have a constitution and he will be prosecuted just fine, give it literally 2 months. There is no law that gives immunity to sitting PM in Israel, that's why he's desperately trying to drag the whole thing out, in hopes of maybe managing to get enough votes to create coalition that might grant him that immunity.

    He can ask for immunity, but this won't fly because he does not have the government or power to make it happen.

    He is so far from Putin, that it's almost laughable to compare two.

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    No it does not, because that's how Russia works for hundreds of years. In the end, someone else will replace Putin eventually and blame all country woes on him... and after that another will do just the same to his predecessor.

    It's literally WoW there - there must always be a Czar King. It's same shit for centuries there, they just change the position name, flags and hymn, but whether it's Czar, Chairman, President or Prime Minister - it's all same shit in the end - a guy with absolute power surrounded by cronies keeping unwashed masses in check via coersion and fake made up conflicts.
    I simply said "just like netenyaho" avoiding crimes by means of the office one holds. not that the two right wing leaders are "the same".

    clearly you're triggered by that.

    I could say "just like trump and the senate republicans" over impeachment... would that be less triggering?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Laws_of_Israel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martymark View Post
    I have heard the opinion that one reason Putin is staying in power is that as soon as he leaves, they will come for him and the billions he's stolen.
    And my question is always "...why?"

    Surely Putin could easily rule without holding elected office. He has tons of money and friends. He can just have other people deliver his messages.

    No-one is above the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohtlmtlm View Post
    I simply said "just like netenyaho" avoiding crimes by means of the office one holds

    clearly you're triggered by that.
    Of course I'm triggered, why the fuck my country has to be in the middle of every fucking unrelated discussion EVER? Lay off already. Holy crap, we're a country of 9 million people, for God's sake, we're not a bloody center of the Earth, stars and sun do not revolve around Netanyahu and Israel. Sheesh.

    Talking about Russia and Putin bullshit and you drag out Netanyahu out of fucking nowhere trying to compare his sorry ass to someone like Putin. You need to make some immense logic leaps to even tie the two together. The gap between their powers and capacities is so immense that it's a fucking joke to even mention two in same context.

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    How long until Trump congratulates on how smart and dreamy Putin is? That US should definitely do something like this?

    Let's find out.
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    Money laundering, especially prior to his election? I couldn't give a flying fuck.

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