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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I don't understand the hate titanforging got. It's so boring going into a m+ or raid knowing it's impossible now to get an upgrade. It's gonna be so lame getting the same item level every run and you gear out your character in a few nights of m+.

    Also this means the ONLY way to get a decent weapon is mythic raid. Which means I have to commit to the time schedule of others which is an out dated practise in 2020. I'm not 14 anymore who can stay up all night.

    Yea yea this forum will be full of "git good" "join a mythic guild noob" and all that bullshit but I much prefer m+ because you only need 4 more people and can do it whenever which suits me as a full time worker on a weird time zone and your mythic loot still gets the cool xmogs and mounts ffs. Now I have to raid mythic to be competitive in content I wanna do. Lame
    Well Raiders have to do Mythic+ to stay competetiv. Raiding is the backbone of MMORPGs. Stop making it worse. And stop wanting to get stuff people worked hard for. If someone killed all mythic bosses he deserves something special like transmogs and a mount. I am not high end. We stopped at council mythic. And i am fine with it. I raid two evening a wekk from 20 to 22:30.... so not that much.

    The only thing i am annoyed by in this regard is, that PvP sets are completly removed after the season, while you can get everything from PvE afterwards.

    On topic of TF: It was horribly annoying. Running the same boss 10000 of time hoping for an upgrade for an item you allready have... Now at least at some point you are done. because corruption resistance is finite. At some point you are done. And this will happen faster than TF maxed out with sockets.

    And the whole "out of date practice"... what? Why? It is an MMORPG! That is the core of the game. If you want to play with strangers go to destiny 2 or use PUGs. You won't really get far into Mythic but hero is easy clearable.
    Also you don't NEED the Mythic Wepaons. Are they the best? Propably. But it is the prestige tier. Like Gladiators in PvP

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    You mean since launch? Because Blizz always tried to make these "tryhards" happy. Game started to suck once they started dogpiling RNG upon RNG.
    No. At launch some shity guilds had thunderfury while some hardcore never got the see the bindings drop. Today tryhards would shit their pants if it would happy so instead they are giving everyone a fuckin cloak legendary. RNG is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    I don't think this is fair for you to say. This is not some weird emotional response. Of course you measure your own achievements in relation to other peoples achievements. That's completely normal. If you put in more effort you also want to get a better reward.
    Yes, measuring your own achievements relative to other people's achievements is normal.
    Yes, expecting to get a better reward if you put more effort in is normal.

    But someone getting a 445 coral from a heroic raid does not mean they got the same reward as you for your raiding achievement, because the reward you get from mythic raiding isn't about 1 item, it's about the collective items you have in total.

    So, no, getting angry because some heroic raider got a 445 trinket from a boss is neither rational nor justified. It's your issue which you need to learn to manage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    mythic gear > heroic gear (Always with no exceptions)
    Nonsense. There is zero problem with the occasional heroic item titanforging to mythic level. The collective gear quality is what matters and the rate of TF drops is easily low enough to ensure that no heroic raider progressing at the same rate (measured week/week) as a mythic raider will come close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    As a casual, this. Glad to see it go.
    u mean hardcore players love that they have less than 0.001% chance to get best gear (we counting max titanforge, also that was average during Legion, did they buff it in BFA?) from any given boss?
    Seriously titanforge is worst for anyone, as long it exist, u know that item is sh8t since there is still full 25 ilvl higher than it, meaning that in order to feel u got best gear, u need a chance that will take literally years of clearing same raid on same character to get the best gear that is the reason why u raid in first place... even Vanilla u could count average time to get the best gear u want (also probably u'll never get best gear in every slot, since it was 40 men, but at least u can save dkp and count the 10-25% chance drop from boss to know when u'll get that chest u really want)
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    Shaman tank. Max level dungeons.

    Yeah I dont believe you. People stopped accepting shaman tanks after uldaman
    also i was pure alliance in vanilla, i don't remember even once blizz gave any hint about shaman tanks, at best they were tanky healers but actual tanks? in mail?
    shamans were off tank due to their survival, but never even once i heard someone talk about a shaman tank, and i started horde at TBC btw
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  5. #225
    Let's put it this way why titanforging wasn't good: People would be getting good pieces out of even heroic, and many of them wouldn't be trying hard, titanforging would mean you wouldn't need to do stuff on Mythic to get Mythic gear ilvl basically. Not that the RNG is always so good to you but if you do heroic too much and not a single Mythic and get titanforged, it's equivalent to mythic gear. And + sockets RNG. As if it's not enough, you could be lucky on having a socket with titanforge piece.
    Mythic raiders feel like their purpose of doing mythic is just progression itself, nothing more. Gear ain't even a good thing this xpac, there's no tokens from tier sets, etc.
    Basically it's screaming you can get ilvl 440+ doing everything but mythic. Needed to stop. I won't miss titanforging, players that don't want to do stuff like raid and mythic should be punished on the gear. It feels more unique, instead of showing your "look at me, i don't even raid but got a piece that titanforged with a socket" and raiders will be like... "ugh, lucky you..." Titanforging was bad imo. That and sockets being random, kind of makes gear too much RNG based, and not difficulty based.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    Heroic raiders should not get good gear because they are not doing hard content. Be happy with your mediocre gear, because that is what heroic raiders are.. mediocre.
    Good, now that you've shown that the best you can come up with is to insult me, I can assume that you have no actual argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    Titanforging is gone and let's be happy about that.
    No, I am not happy about it. Not because I think the removal of TF is going to have a massive effect on me, but rather because I think another decent system in this game has been sacrificed on the altar of pandering to whiny players who are probably just going to find something else to whine about now.

    You are, of course, welcome to prove me wrong, but I have zero faith that any of the players who are celebrating the demise of TF will remain happy for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    Good, now that you've shown that the best you can come up with is to insult me, I can assume that you have no actual argument.



    No, I am not happy about it. Not because I think the removal of TF is going to have a massive effect on me, but rather because I think another decent system in this game has been sacrificed on the altar of pandering to whiny players who are probably just going to find something else to whine about now.

    You are, of course, welcome to prove me wrong, but I have zero faith that any of the players who are celebrating the demise of TF will remain happy for long.
    And again the "everybody who disagrees me is just crying for the sake of it". You understand that people are allowed to have multiple problems with the game, right?
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  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Raelbo View Post
    Good, now that you've shown that the best you can come up with is to insult me, I can assume that you have no actual argument.



    No, I am not happy about it. Not because I think the removal of TF is going to have a massive effect on me, but rather because I think another decent system in this game has been sacrificed on the altar of pandering to whiny players who are probably just going to find something else to whine about now.

    You are, of course, welcome to prove me wrong, but I have zero faith that any of the players who are celebrating the demise of TF will remain happy for long.
    Now look who is whining.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Tradu View Post
    And again the "everybody who disagrees me is just crying for the sake of it". You understand that people are allowed to have multiple problems with the game, right?
    You couldn't be more right. And people that does mythic should be rewarded with the difficulty they get into. I don't even raid mythics anymore, but i always feel sorry when i see someone from my guild trying hard and not only for the progress sakes, so they can get better gear on a higher difficulty and from time to time, someone links a piece titanforged with a socket and they are not even mythic raiders and get amazing luck.

    I think players should be rewarded with the difficulty level they put their efforts to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefkow View Post
    You should be rewarded by the amount of effort you put in, not by chance or luck.
    A mythic raider still had atleast 445+ ilvl baseline and you would only need +10 proc to get to ilvl cap(455). So even if a lfr raider has that one piece of 455 the rest of their shit is probably still about 420-430.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaminaris View Post
    Yeah right, maybe time to learn some math?





    Literally 200 ilvl item with infinite stars will be better than 485 in that slot.
    You can screech as much as you like, wont change my long held position on Titanforging.

    Corruption is not perfect, but it is patch specific.

    Stay triggered.
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  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by VinceVega View Post
    Raiding is the backbone of MMORPGs. Stop making it worse.
    That is a misconception in my opinion and in my view it is making MMORPGs worse.

    How is considered the backbone when it is one of the least played content prior to LFR? Didn't Blizzard admit that the percentage of people raiding was in the single digits many years ago?

    All these resources being put into making content for an extremely small minority of the playerbase. And somehow that is considered to be backbone of an MMORPGs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sansnom View Post
    That is a misconception in my opinion and in my view it is making MMORPGs worse.

    How is considered the backbone when it is one of the least played content prior to LFR? Didn't Blizzard admit that the percentage of people raiding was in the single digits many years ago?

    All these resources being put into making content for an extremely small minority of the playerbase. And somehow that is considered to be backbone of an MMORPGs?
    Since LFR, it is no longer a thing for the minoroty.
    Yes, LFR is a tourist mode, but it allows far more players to see the assets of raids.

    That being said, the game is never as healthy as when it has more to offer at max level than just dungeons and raids.
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  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    You can screech as much as you like, wont change my long held position on Titanforging.

    Corruption is not perfect, but it is patch specific.

    Stay triggered.
    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...lizz/411747/13

    It's just op asf. BiS. Titanforging and this shouldn't even exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakana View Post
    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...lizz/411747/13

    It's just op asf. BiS. Titanforging and this shouldn't even exist.
    But it does, nerfs are also a thing IIRC.
    Unless the Corruption system becomes universally praised, unlike TF, it wont become a constant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    But it does, nerfs are also a thing IIRC.
    Unless the Corruption system becomes universally praised, unlike TF, it wont become a constant.
    It'll be nerfed yes. As all things does when they are op, they get nerfed at some point. Remember the "fun detected". (Can't really say it's fun tho)

  17. #237
    At least corruption offers options! Titanforging undermines a large part of playing an RPG which is "The sense of completion".

    Is having a character complete for a patch so wrong? Do players not play for anything except for gear? I pushing keys. I like farming old xmog.

  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by Villager720 View Post
    I do the exact same content as someone else, but they get a substantially better piece of the same gear for no reason.
    Who thought this was smart?
    It's gamble/lottery. Just because someone else buys a ticket and wins, dosen't mean you will also win if you buy a ticket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkagenRora View Post
    It's gamble/lottery. Just because someone else buys a ticket and wins, dosen't mean you will also win if you buy a ticket.
    I understand how drops work - but I don't think I should have to play powerball when I raid. I don't want to pray for 6 rolls to go right - just one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sansnom View Post
    That is a misconception in my opinion and in my view it is making MMORPGs worse.

    How is considered the backbone when it is one of the least played content prior to LFR? Didn't Blizzard admit that the percentage of people raiding was in the single digits many years ago?

    All these resources being put into making content for an extremely small minority of the playerbase. And somehow that is considered to be backbone of an MMORPGs?
    It doesn't have to be played much. Just imagine a major patch without raid. I guarantee the sub numbers would drop into oblivion. It has more than just it's play. Poeple want to see it. It is the finished story of the expansion. I drives people to watch other people play the game and in turn get interested in it too. WoW end nearly every other MMO is focused on raiding.

    The misconception is that people who don't raid don't care about it.

    What are you gearing up to then if not for this? Mythic+ now to an extend. That is it. There is not much else. Transmog farming is again raiding.

    Also that good old: single digets raider is one of those weird forum urban legends where everyone mentiones it but never delivers anything at all to prove it

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