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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    You are confusing the word "Decent" with the word "BiS". While weapon damage and int still matters, the difference between the 475 weapons from the first 6 boss, and the 485 weapons from N'Zoth himself (Which, btw, only a handful of specs will actually get use out of the N'Zoth weapons, and most of the ones that will get use from them were previously underpreforming in EP)
    Its stupid game design to have the best weapons be locked behind the last boss of the raid. Why do you even need them once you've beaten him anyway.

    Gear is supposed to help you progress. Not be the big reward that all these mythic raiders really care about so they can hang it over everyone else
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  2. #82
    TF as a concept is great IF it's limited. Content replayability and all.

    I've repeatedly put forward the idea to limit the range of forging to "next tier + a little bit", so there's at least some merit in doing one tier below what you'd usually do but no need to farm absolutely trivial content just hoping for insane proc luck.

    Corruption is interesting but comes with many potential pitfalls, so we'll have to see how it pans out in practice once people start using it and the values get adjusted (which I'm sure they will, in some way). Right now there's some silly stuff going on with it, but time will tell whether it's a complete failure or an acceptable substitute.

    In general, WoW's gear/stat system could do with an overhaul. While I don't think complete "Diablo-ization" is the right answer (D3 is also pretty fucked up, let's be real) I do think that more stat complexity and, consequently, more actual gearing choices could be more interesting. I know Blizzard would just love to have a system of "just equip the higher ilvl" because it's noob-friendly, but that just kills longevity - and at least to some degree, people's expectations are what you cater to. If you have dumbed-down systems, people will expect dumbed-down gameplay. I'm not saying turn WoW into a spreadsheet simulator, of course, but let's face it: even right now, people couldn't tell you shit about what piece is an upgrade and by how much, without consulting two websites and a simulation tool.

    Some of the corruption stats, for example, could well be made baseline secondaries - critical damage multiplier most of all.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    who cares when mythic raid loot last two bosses is 485
    You're going to be just fine with a 475 weapon in m+. It's going to correspond to a 445 weapons before 8.3 which was fine.

    If you want an even better weapon than that, then you will just need to prove yourself and clear the hardest content in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    One person doesn't equal the general consensus of the rest of the community.

    Titanforging is largely hated by many people. Titanforging might be liked by a very small portion of players. I say "might", because I can't tell if the OP is being serious or not, or just trying to stir up things for attention.
    Well duh. The point wasn't that we're a hivemind (on the contrary I doubt there's a single thing WoW players are unified on), but simply an observation that we always see these sorts of topics when things/features are removed.

    As I've said probably a thousand times on this forum, Blizz can't please everyone no matter what they do.

    And yeah, its entirely possible that the OP is just trying to sound contrarian and trigger the 'burn TFing with fire!' crowd here, but you never know.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    And if you think infinite stars wont be nerfed I have a bridge to sell you.

    Shit always go lives op and is swiftly nerfed.
    Regardless of whether it gets nerfed or not is not the point. Stop dancing around the facts.

    Corruption is Titanforging. Now instead of pulling the slot machine for iLevel you're pulling it for traits.

    There is ALWAYS a BiS trait that is infinitely better than the rest. Enjoy your casino, you seem to love it.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonDays View Post
    Regardless of whether it gets nerfed or not is not the point. Stop dancing around the facts.

    Corruption is Titanforging. Now instead of pulling the slot machine for iLevel you're pulling it for traits.

    There is ALWAYS a BiS trait that is infinitely better than the rest. Enjoy your casino, you seem to love it.
    What I enjoy is having a reason to run more than one m+10 a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    Its stupid game design to have the best weapons be locked behind the last boss of the raid. Why do you even need them once you've beaten him anyway.

    Gear is supposed to help you progress. Not be the big reward that all these mythic raiders really care about so they can hang it over everyone else
    Hah, so you are basically complaining about almost every single game made ever. The best weapons/armors being from, or acquired after you've taken down last/extremely tough bosses has been a staple in gaming since it's inception, really.
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    I think your problem is a lack of intellect.

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    With TF gone, next item on the list is to re-instate Master Loot as a choice for mythic raiding.
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    I won't. Fuck titanforging.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    With TF gone, next item on the list is to re-instate Master Loot as a choice for mythic raiding.
    Yes. But it won't happen because casuals who don't understand how ML works will flood the forums with thousands of threads again demanding its removal.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    You're going to be just fine with a 475 weapon in m+. It's going to correspond to a 445 weapons before 8.3 which was fine.

    If you want an even better weapon than that, then you will just need to prove yourself and clear the hardest content in the game.
    except unlike in 8.2 I had a chance at getting weapons from actually running content not just waiting for a chest
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  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Halyon View Post
    As a casual, this. Glad to see it go.
    Wouldn't it do nothing but help you as a casual? If it didn't happen it didn't matter and if it did it was a bonus.

  12. #92
    Quote Originally Posted by Raugnaut View Post
    Hah, so you are basically complaining about almost every single game made ever. The best weapons/armors being from, or acquired after you've taken down last/extremely tough bosses has been a staple in gaming since it's inception, really.
    No it hasnt but nice ass pull.

    Do you get ultimate weapons from last bosses in final fantasy series? No.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    I don't understand the hate titanforging got. It's so boring going into a m+ or raid knowing it's impossible now to get an upgrade. It's gonna be so lame getting the same item level every run and you gear out your character in a few nights of m+.

    Also this means the ONLY way to get a decent weapon is mythic raid. Which means I have to commit to the time schedule of others which is an out dated practise in 2020. I'm not 14 anymore who can stay up all night.

    Yea yea this forum will be full of "git good" "join a mythic guild noob" and all that bullshit but I much prefer m+ because you only need 4 more people and can do it whenever which suits me as a full time worker on a weird time zone and your mythic loot still gets the cool xmogs and mounts ffs. Now I have to raid mythic to be competitive in content I wanna do. Lame
    Imagine being unable to find a guild among tens of thousands that fits your schedule with tools like the internet at your disposal.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by iamthedevil View Post
    Wouldn't it do nothing but help you as a casual? If it didn't happen it didn't matter and if it did it was a bonus.
    Titanforging is boring. Warforging is fine, it's just a small bonus. Titanforging killed my soul during Legion. Put me off raiding hard, because the best BM hunter set was the Nighthold/EN one, nvm Convergence of Fates, so you were better off trying to get it high TF'd than anything else until some way through Antorus, if memory serves. That said, the fact that some of the legendaries you had also determined part of your playstyle didn't help.

    Also the same reasons why I'm glad tier sets are gone, and I hope they stay gone, along with titanforging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    Lol I knew this was coming.

    WoW community: OMG <name of thing> sucks get rid of it

    Blizz: okay we hear u, its gone in <insert patch>

    WoW community: man I miss <name of thing Blizz just removed> so much
    Implying that the WoW community should be absolutely homogeneous, akin to a hive mind, to be taken seriously. I never understood that "criticism", if you can ever call it so.

    As for the subject at hand: it would have been nice if TF was simply removed (or at least severely curtailed), but it's been replaced with another shiny, fancy brush of RNG. I wonder how WoW survived all the way from Vanilla to WoD, when the only RNG was whether the boss dropped the item you wanted or not (and if you won the roll ofc).

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    What I enjoy is having a reason to run more than one m+10 a week.
    I mean... Are you just not reading the words in front of you?

    Corruption is Titanforging.


    Don't you remember a time when you played the game for fun and not for a small dopamine hit from the slot machine?

  17. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkimpact View Post
    Imagine being unable to find a guild among tens of thousands that fits your schedule with tools like the internet at your disposal.
    Imagine being in a guild but having a job where your on call so you can't guarantee 100% attendance so you don't want to be a leech and waste a spot so you focus on content like high m+ keys instead. But now that is lame because you only need to run one a week then log out and wait. Imagine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    No it hasnt but nice ass pull.

    Do you get ultimate weapons from last bosses in final fantasy series? No.
    No, but neither do you get ultimate weapons from the first bosses. And you generally get your best weapons in the FF series shortly before the last boss.
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    I think your problem is a lack of intellect.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Soon-TM View Post
    Implying that the WoW community should be absolutely homogeneous, akin to a hive mind, to be taken seriously. I never understood that "criticism", if you can ever call it so.

    As for the subject at hand: it would have been nice if TF was simply removed (or at least severely curtailed), but it's been replaced with another shiny , fancy brush of RNG. I wonder how WoW survived from Vanilla to Legion, when the only RNG was whether the boss dropped the item you wanted or not (and if you won the roll ofc).
    I mean I agree with most of your statement but you messed one part up.

    I wonder how WoW survived from Vanilla to WoD, when the only RNG was whether the boss dropped the item you wanted or not (and if you won the roll ofc).

    Legion is the expansion that introduced insane levels of RNG, Titanforging and multiple insane grinds like AP and Legendaries.

  20. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by DemonDays View Post
    I mean... Are you just not reading the words in front of you?

    Corruption is Titanforging.


    Don't you remember a time when you played the game for fun and not for a small dopamine hit from the slot machine?
    does corruption even drop on m+ loot I thought it was only weekly chest. The content I want to do that I find fun requires me having the BiS gear or I get kicked to the curb.
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