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  1. #641
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezyah View Post
    Source : dude trust me
    Perhaps, but it is also perfectly consistent with:

    1) How corporations in general work
    2) How Activision-Blizzard has been treating WoW for many expansions now

    I know a number of people like to deny the fundamental reality that WoW has been built cheaper and cheaper with each expansion (with the possible exception that they spent a bit more on Legion compared to WoD...maybe even what was spent on MoP - maybe). At some point, you need to let reality sink in and, while the Bellular video may not be entirely accurate, it is almost certainly mostly accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLachyG View Post
    we're not saying Bellular is the one who is lying. Someone could've reached out to him pretending to be a Blizzard employee.
    jesus you sound like a republican

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    And Island of Thunder and Nazjatar are not similar or akin. They have different lore and story.
    you don't say that

    im saying its was elf patch, with horde and alliance being enemy there fighting against a foe, in the middle of the story, lei sehn x azshara, yep, same shit to me

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    The amusing part is you keep praising mists while saying the current story is similar to it. So if something similar is the worst thing every than mists can not be that good to begin with.
    something can still be similar and be completely shit compared to other.

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    I would not trust Bellular if he told me water was wet, never seen a scummier clickbaiter.

  5. #645
    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    I know a number of people like to deny the fundamental reality that WoW has been built cheaper and cheaper with each expansion (with the possible exception that they spent a bit more on Legion compared to WoD...maybe even what was spent on MoP - maybe). At some point, you need to let reality sink in and, while the Bellular video may not be entirely accurate, it is almost certainly mostly accurate.

    No. Connecting dots to pry on the general unrest that many wow fans have is not something that should be accepted just because it is mostly right. Also this whole thing of blaming Activision is dumb. Have they had an impact? Sure. But it is all Blizzard. Everyone loves to blame Activision, and anyone else, when Blizzard does things they don't like but is quick to praise Blizzard when they do things a lot of people end up liking.

    That is the problem. Everyone is just looking for scapegoats to channel their unrest at. Streamers who stoke those flames with half truths are bad. Because there is no reason to prey upon people and rile them up with fake things.
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  6. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    It appears as if people's fear that Activision calls all the shots is more true than anyone would've dared hope.

    Blizzard employees have reached out to Bellular to explain the situation:

    A foreword in case you don't know who Bellular is: This is not just some random youtuber. This is someone with a known reputation for having inside contacts at Blizzard or at the very least who is has close friendships with some of the WoW developers as shows from their interactions at Blizzcon. He has a long history of reliable journalism when it comes to Blizzard news.

    Blizzard employees contacted him to state the following:
    - 8.3.5 and possibly other BFA content got axed because Activision told them to pack it up and start developing Shadowlands
    - Activision was behind the decision to have Blizzard lay off 800 employees last year
    - This loss of employees caused 8.3 to deliver with tons of bugs and much less content than we're used to from a patch -despite- receiving 1-2 extra months development time
    - Shadowlands has less features than previous expansion because of WoW's dev team lack of resources
    - WoW team is heavily understaffed, lacking resources, having to pull away from development time just to do extra bug fixing and quality assurance. Morale is super low.
    - Activision calls the shots on what content gets developed in WoW or not

    Link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzbP3P6mP0Y

    This pisses me off tbh. Just another company getting ruined by corporate money-grubbing culture.

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    PS: I'm actually fairly upset at this news. I trust Bellular as a reliable source who would not just make up having Blizzard employees reach out to him. If you have evidence to the contrary, please feel free to share it as I find the truth and being honest about this very important. I don't want anyone to be deceived or misinformed.
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    Post-Thread update by Bellular:

    Start of Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVbCQndqRLY

    Bellular confirms the findings stated in the OP :
    - He confirms having internal sources, who told him about these things including knowing about the lay-offs at Blizzard long before they happened
    - He tried to be "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" about it, but now wishes to clarify he is protecting his anonymous sources
    - 8.3.5 being cancelled is a FACT, as that is obvious from plenty of content that has been datamined.
    - The WoW development team has their hands strapped by the higher-ups from Activision-Blizzard
    - Whether you believe him or not, that is up to you, but he has his reliable sources
    - "Accept reality and deal with it". He has his principles, he might make videos with spicy titles, but his main priority is the truth and factual reporting

    Edit 2:
    Meanwhile, Preach is also coming out and confirming that his own Blizzard sources are acknowledging what was stated in the OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mROuydZZ708

    Furthermore, he's reporting being "very afraid for the state of Shadowlands" - calling it: "BfA 2.0", worried that Shadowlands might keep adhering to a lot of design philosophies of BfA, because there isn't enough time foreseen for the developers to change up the game or systems much with a forced 2020 release.
    They never said 8.3.5 was gonna be a think so what was axed again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Perhaps, but it is also perfectly consistent with:

    1) How corporations in general work
    2) How Activision-Blizzard has been treating WoW for many expansions now

    I know a number of people like to deny the fundamental reality that WoW has been built cheaper and cheaper with each expansion (with the possible exception that they spent a bit more on Legion compared to WoD...maybe even what was spent on MoP - maybe). At some point, you need to let reality sink in and, while the Bellular video may not be entirely accurate, it is almost certainly mostly accurate.
    Reality is that legion and bfa have had more voice acting more cut scenes full cgi cinematic’s and audio dramas made for them while also upping the amount of content we normally get even if that content isn’t always the best.

    Thinking that wow has been built cheaper and cheaper is nonsense when you actually look at all the work put into legion/bfa that people ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    you don't say that im saying its was elf patch, with horde and alliance being enemy there fighting against a foe, in the middle of the story, lei sehn x azshara, yep, same shit to me
    But it isn't anything close to the same story. That is why there is no discussion and you are just ranting for no other reason. You don't care about the lore. You don't care what is actually there. You call something bad story because you want to. It has nothing to do with the lore and story that actually exist or its actual quality. Isle of Thunder was not an elf patch. Nazjatar was not an elf patch.

    that is the problem and why any lore discussion with you is dumb and pointless. You boil things you don't like down to some stupid comparison. You create your own biased rules.
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  9. #649
    Quote Originally Posted by Katie45 View Post
    They never said 8.3.5 was gonna be a think so what was axed again?
    Lots of stuff was datamined.

  10. #650
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Lots of stuff was datamined.
    as in like 5ish items with text 8.3.5 nothing else stop it

  11. #651
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Lots of stuff was datamined.
    Datamined does not mean annouced. There are plenty of things that have been in the game files for years with out ever being used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stigz View Post
    jesus you sound like a republican
    bahahaha my political leanings are definitely not republican. especially considering I don't live in the US

  13. #653
    Yeah... I'm not trusting a word that comes from a Youtuber's mouth ,especially one that made up false images and "evidence" to try to make the Shadowlands leak seem legitimate to drum up views for his own channel.

    Bellular used to actually have some kind of credibility in his research and sources, but now he's no different than any other Youtuber looking for clicks with clickbaity titles and the like. The guy's a joke, and anything he reports on his channel shouldn't even be considered as news, let alone legitimate.

  14. #654
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Lots of stuff was datamined.
    That means very little, according to datamining Outland, the Emerald Dream and Mount Hyjal were all cut from Vanilla.

  15. #655
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Activision wanted to buy Blizzard for their online gaming expertise. Vivendi refused and made a counter offer to buy Activision, renaming Vivendi Games as Activision-Blizzard.

    A while later Vivendi decided they no longer wanted to make video games as part of a streamlining initiative. They had several considerations including stripping Activision and Blizzard of their IPs to be sold piecemeal. Activision-Blizzard executives and some other investors got enough cash together to buy themselves from Vivendi. Acti-Blizz became an independent company.
    That is not correct Activision purchased Blizzard from Vivendi which was paid for with Activision (then renamed Activision-Blizzard) shares at no point did Vivendi buy ATVI and it remained a separately listed entity.

    Vivendi could not find a buyer for their share of ATVI so plan was to leverage debt against ATVI and, in simple terms, pay the borrowed money to themselves through a special dividend leaving ATVI to meet debt repayments.

  16. #656
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana;52029518

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    Meanwhile, Preach is also coming out and confirming that his own Blizzard sources are acknowledging what was stated in the OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mROuydZZ708

    Furthermore, he's reporting being "very afraid for the state of Shadowlands" - calling it: "BfA 2.0", worried that Shadowlands might keep adhering to a lot of design philosophies of BfA, because there isn't enough time foreseen for the developers to change up the game or systems much with a forced 2020 release.
    This is just outright not true. Either you misunderstood what Preach said or you are outright lying.

    Preach at no point confirms what Bellular said. He says that he had a conversation with Bell and stated that he wouldnt have reported on the information without verification. He then says that Bell has since done that and it is unclear if he means that Bell has clarified that he isnt sure the guy works early blizzard or that he has verified that he does.

    He then talks about how he has had conversations with people at blizzard that are private and that very often what he is told doesnt happen because plans change. He then talks about how he is worried about the time line with Shadowlands and a short Alpha. At no point does he confirm a single thing Bell said.

    He does contradict a few though. Bell states that the patch released in a buggy state because they were understaffed and couldnt work on the patch as desired. This doesnt make sense if 8.3 was the most tested and most changed patch in recent memory as Preach states.

  17. #657
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Vivendi could not find a buyer for their share of ATVI so plan was to leverage debt against ATVI and, in simple terms, pay the borrowed money to themselves through a special dividend leaving ATVI to meet debt repayments.
    That's not quite right. The leveraged up money would have gone to all shareholders. Paying it just to Vivendi would have been illegal -- the minority shareholders had rights.
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  18. #658
    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    That is not correct Activision purchased Blizzard from Vivendi which was paid for with Activision (then renamed Activision-Blizzard) shares at no point did Vivendi buy ATVI and it remained a separately listed entity.

    Vivendi could not find a buyer for their share of ATVI so plan was to leverage debt against ATVI and, in simple terms, pay the borrowed money to themselves through a special dividend leaving ATVI to meet debt repayments.
    sort of but no. (https://investor.activision.com/news...worlds-largest)

    Vivendi and Activision came to an agreement that saw Vivendi buying Activision.
    Vivendi took it's games department and merged it with Activision, and then bought 52% of the new companies's stock.

    Vivendi Games will be merged with a wholly owned subsidiary of Activision. In the merger, shares of Vivendi Games will be converted into 295.3 million new shares of Activision common stock. Based on the transaction price of $27.50 per share of Activision common stock, this implies a value of approximately $8.1 billion for Vivendi Games. Concurrently with the merger, Vivendi will purchase 62.9 million newly issued shares of Activision common stock at a price of $27.50 per share - a premium of 31% to Activision's average closing price over the past 20 trading days - for a total of $1.7 billion in cash. As a result of these transactions, Vivendi will own an approximate 52% ownership stake in Activision Blizzard on a fully diluted basis.

    Fast foward a couple of years later, and Activision Blizzard decided to buy themselves out from Vivendi, making themselves a different company once again. (https://thebottomline.as.ucsb.edu/20...or-8-2-billion)

  19. #659
    Quote Originally Posted by Tantaburs View Post
    This is just outright not true. Either you misunderstood what Preach said or you are outright lying.

    Preach at no point confirms what Bellular said. He says that he had a conversation with Bell and stated that he wouldnt have reported on the information without verification. He then says that Bell has since done that and it is unclear if he means that Bell has clarified that he isnt sure the guy works early blizzard or that he has verified that he does.

    He then talks about how he has had conversations with people at blizzard that are private and that very often what he is told doesnt happen because plans change. He then talks about how he is worried about the time line with Shadowlands and a short Alpha. At no point does he confirm a single thing Bell said.

    He does contradict a few though. Bell states that the patch released in a buggy state because they were understaffed and couldnt work on the patch as desired. This doesnt make sense if 8.3 was the most tested and most changed patch in recent memory as Preach states.


    Rochana has been making things up this entire thread and refuses to acknowledge when someone corrects them with proof.

  20. #660
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    That's not quite right. The leveraged up money would have gone to all shareholders. Paying it just to Vivendi would have been illegal -- the minority shareholders had rights.
    Yes, you're right - I didn't mean that all the money would have gone to Vivendi but I didn't make that clear in my post.

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