Yet, its you replying to me without context, and any real thoughts, you only want to troll here, and i find that quite amusng, cause tbh, i love discussions with DH haters.
I mean, you just embarrass yourself with false claims from your subjective imagination that is only in your head.
Like your claim, pre-corruption DHs were most overtuned: I have news for you, its simply not true.
In 8.1., both outlaw and assassin rogue and even unnerfed frost mage killed any dh by just walking by, due to high azerite burst and control(it got nerfed heavenly later) and lower hp pools, to survive this you had to take netherwalk, the later populared easy rotation of the demonic build would not help here at all, you would always die in a kidney, if the rogue is half competent. I should know, i played both classes as mains in that time.
Raids/Mythic+ again....what does the rogue here? he is not tanky and use cheese mechanics to prevent damage? I played rogue for 15 years and still played one in 8.1.people always complained about tankiness of rogues in both pvp and raids, how is this suddenly an exclusive privilege of the DH? DH is supposed to be tanky, with an actual tank spec as well. What is your point here since its not exclusive to havoc, but to like 3 rogue specs as well and rets.
Yes, the demonic build rotation is mind numbing, i agree with that here. and this is were class designer should improve the DH.
Giving DH more intersting playstyle and choices yes, nerfs not so much. If you forgot DH's weaknesses i can list them up, depending on content.
DHs do not even have proper burst, without corruptions and essences, and 8.3. burst trinkets/azshara trinket
Take this all away and you will see what the DH will become in SL. Leech uptime drastically reduced, hp pools reduced, and propably more suspectable to burst, while doing less ST burst than most rogue and mage specs do. Its allready an extreme nerf for them to get squished like that at the start of SL.
You make it appear, like its still 8.2., we discuss 2s arenas, with dhs, that still has working tank trinkets with an mana rift friendly, deep dampening meta and not like, all that was removed by a 80% nerf, burst meta added with corruptions and new burst essencs and trinkets and versatility nerfs. Its all for rogues and casters and its those that dominate the current meta.
Raids, do you even know what a fire mage is, how ignites work? Have you ever seen one in a raid? I mean who understands his class....?
The game has many issues, but DHs are just a meme for hc class haters and, yeah, if you find trolling that amusing continue ignoring the hard facts of any official leaderoard statistic, but mythic+.
Blows my mind that you even mention raids, maybe melees like ww monk and dks should have been buffed, how about that?
In your (horrific) vision, every melee must suck, because Havoc is one of the few melee specs that do not suck, they must be brought down too, let me ask you a question: Are you a mage, rogue or warlock main?
Whats your agenda here?
Post some creditable data, how havoc is dominating every other class or simply don't waste time trolling?
btw,
I happen to main DH since 8.1.5., but since i disagree with you in terms of class power and i wanted to play a range dd again, i mained a fire mage in 8.3. as well, while maintaining the DH. Doubt i will continue to play DH in SL. Its not important what class people play, but to state that a class deserves nerfs is just plain wrong. It won't help other classes that deserve actually buffs, its a lose/lose situation, if you feel that way, nobody will be happy in the end.
Besides, DH was actually nerfed severe in 8.3. coming from 8.2. By nerfing tank trinkets, C&S essence nerf and versatilty corruption nerf, as Dhs are weak against stunlocks and most cc that locks them down, leech does not work passively most DH defensives do not work in stuns or other cc conditions, i bet you should know that. As an unholy DK another long main i had, i am basicly immune to stuns. A hero class nobdoy talks about anymore, merely because it lacks wings, double jump and that exclusive elven ear club.
Have a nice day, my raging friend, perhaps go out sometime, breath fresh, demonic sulfur air and think more deeply about overall class balance and how trivial that is, compared to actual innovative class design.