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    *chuckles*
    Well, I guess you get what you vote for.

    Though I find it interesting, that in the above statistic German public transport never made an appearance even before the mask mandate went into effect. You'd think locking 50+ people in a tin can like sardines would be problematic. Maybe data collection wasn't as accurate back in March, who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Hope you've called grandma and grandpa (or parents if they're in that age bracket) and told them it's tough shit if some dumbshit kid infects them with covid and they die, and that you're happy that their deaths will hasten the "heard immunity" so you can return to normal life? Because they should probably know you're cheering on their deaths.

    I mean, the way people unironically come out as alright with mass-death during this pandemic is really weird.
    What do you expect from him. He likes to see people suffer. To him this is the best time of his life. Entertainment galore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    That's a misunderstanding. I follow Karl Popper's scientific method and not the classical Baconian scientific method. Popper's version is much more scientifically rigorous because it's based on falsification and not confirmation. Seeking to confirm theories through repeated observations instead of falsifying them in experiments is inherently unscientific and it facilitates confirmation bias.

    This isn't even controversial unless you're in the "social sciences" which mostly has to reject falsification because a large amount of their field is pseudo-science that could never be refuted under any possible circumstance. I don't accept unfalsifiable theories as scientific in the same way that I don't accept the idea of "God" as being scientific, there's simply no way that you could create an experiment that could ever prove the idea is wrong.
    You are talking nonsense to defend brutality. Trump is the one urging people to not wear masks with his “liberate” and “rounding the corner” tweet.

    First, you ignore the fact the the person blaming, wasn’t blaming an individual, but an ideology that is causing people to ignore the virus. That’s what defines a Trump Supporter...

    Second, this is Occam’s razor... who is more likely to spread the virus, those with masks or those without?

    Third, you can’t blame a group of people that are actually following guidelines and trying not to harm others, when there is literally another group who does not give a fuck.

    This has nothing to do with the people you listed and your attempts at the authority fallacy, is brutality when discussing people who refuse to take precautions versus those that do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    *chuckles*
    Well, I guess you get what you vote for.
    First off, we did t vote for him. He won due to a system that doesn’t support the will of the people. Secondly, laughing at our misfortune paints a really nasty picture of yourself.

    Like holy shit, you’ve downplayed this at every turn in this thread, which is disgusting, but really this showed just how bottom of the barrel you truly are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I feel bad about every infection but that's not an excuse to over-simplify the situation and automatically blame another group of people for a specific infection.
    Then you don’t feel bad about it, you feel the need to be “correct” about it.

    That’s sociopathic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post

    Source: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/...ublicationFile
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    Now this may look a little different in the US, depending on which state enforces what but we have idiots in Germany that ignore everything too.
    Well, the most obvious difference is the lack of public transport in the US for adults (with a few cities as exceptions) compared to Europe.

    For trains the difference is ridiculous: as an example Switzerland has almost twice the number of passenger-km compared to the US.
    Not twice per the amount per capita - but twice the number of passenger-km.

    And a large part (or majority) of the bus-transports in the US seem to be school-buses.

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    I agree that the statistics above is interesting, the worrying sign is the thing at the bottom - which is now about a third of the transmission and listed as "others". To me that indicates community transmission, where you don't know the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    First off, we did t vote for him. He won due to a system that doesn’t support the will of the people.
    Erm.. your people vote, the dude gets elected.
    Same shit as in every democracy.

    Whether they actually care about the "little guy" after they are voted into office is debatable in pretty much any country. Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different opinions on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    I agree that the statistics above is interesting, the worrying sign is the thing at the bottom - which is now about a third of the transmission and listed as "others". To me that indicates community transmission, where you don't know the source.
    Definitely, or they are unclear cases where people were exposed to multiple candidates and can't pick which one.
    I agree that it's too much "other" for comfort. I'd like for it to be more precise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Most infections do not occur in public transport, events or shops (places where you wear masks) but in domestic settings when meeting friends, helping out etc.
    Yes, and don't forget work-places as you showed in your statistics. (And also leisure places and restaurants - obviously people don't wear masks while eating at restaurants.)

    Some countries, like France, even require masks at work. (Not just in public-facing work, but in offices as well.)
    However, daily cases has increased six-fold in France since that mask requirement was introduced - indicating that it's not the panacea that some imagine it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    However, daily cases has increased six-fold in France since that mask requirement was introduced - indicating that it's not the panacea that some imagine it to be.
    I think the problem isn't that masks aren't doing anything but rather that people put on their diaper and then behave as if the virus didn't exist.
    I observe people daily and they do not behave any differently to 2019 at all. Except half their face is covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Erm.. your people vote, the dude gets elected.
    Same shit as in every democracy.

    Whether they actually care about the "little guy" after they are voted into office is debatable in pretty much any country. Ask 10 people and you will get 10 different opinions on the matter.

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    Definitely, or they are unclear cases where people were exposed to multiple candidates and can't pick which one.
    I agree that it's too much "other" for comfort. I'd like for it to be more precise.
    Trump didn't get the most votes. Hillary got 48%, Trump got 46%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Simple...stop nibbling other people fingers.
    If for no other reason than it just plain looks weird.
    so i guess no one taught you about hepatits a then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    How do you know a maskless person caused her infection? There are many ways for the infection to spread even in an area where there is only mask wearing people.
    wow this is a new low even for you. seriously go shitpost somewhere else.

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    I feel bad about every infection
    you quite obviously DO NOT as evidenced by the fact that your in here stirring shit up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    *chuckles*
    Well, I guess you get what you vote for.
    you disgust me.
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    So Belgium is going more and more on lockdown, sadly not all governments in our nation took this virus seriously which is reflected in the difference of infections and hospitalizations per region.

    In the Northern half we can't go out past midnight till 6, with exception of work and the southern half plus Brussels that's even from 22:00. More places are being closed down not just cafe's and restaurant but culture and sports as or very restricted and the end of these measures are not in sight.

    Sadly, being 3 governments in one small nation means a different approach and different experts and the one virus specialist from Brussels went out of his way to claim that all of this is not so bad and politics shouldn't over react while hospitals are speeding towards a lack of capacity.

    At this rate Christmas and New years Eve is going to be a solo party for the first time in a very long time, hope we can still turn it around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flathet View Post
    Trump didn't get the most votes. Hillary got 48%, Trump got 46%.
    That makes no sense. Though with a difference this small, it's basically a coin toss.
    Yep, sometimes democracy sucks.

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    also wisconsin is trending upwards with a 22.47%(down from 26.47%) positivity rating average and constantly rising cases almost daily shooting up from the low 2k's a couple weeks ago to regularly topping in the high 3k's and low-high 4k's with 4,861 as of friday. cases and 4062 today apparently (even though the day isn't over wtf?), 4378 in the on thursday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    What proof do you have that Trumpers caused her mom's infection? Democrats also infect a lot of people, especially when they hold superspreader protests relating to BLM and law enforcement. Blaming everything on Trumpers is an extreme over-simplification.
    just stop while you're behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Yes, and don't forget work-places as you showed in your statistics. (And also leisure places and restaurants - obviously people don't wear masks while eating at restaurants.)

    Some countries, like France, even require masks at work. (Not just in public-facing work, but in offices as well.)
    However, daily cases has increased six-fold in France since that mask requirement was introduced - indicating that it's not the panacea that some imagine it to be.
    it was never claimed to be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    I just got back from getting my mom admitted to the hospital here.

    She tested positive for Covid last week.

    Once she's in the main part of the hospital (we went in through the ER), I won't be able to see her.

    Thanks to all the jerkoffs who refused to wear masks. She religiously wore hers, even though she thinks it's overblown, but all it takes is one person being a total shit for brains and she could very well die from this.

    I kinda hate the world right now. And I really hate the people refusing to wear masks. Like, hate them.
    im really sorry to hear this hope she gets better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    it was never claimed to be one.
    It's often treated as one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    also wisconsin is trending upwards with a 22.47%(down from 26.47%) positivity rating average and constantly rising cases almost daily shooting up from the low 2k's a couple weeks ago to regularly topping in the high 3k's and low-high 4k's with 4,861 as of friday. cases and 4062 today apparently (even though the day isn't over wtf?), 4378 in the on thursday.
    That's bad - people say that above 5% is too high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    That makes no sense. Though with a difference this small, it's basically a coin toss.
    Yep, sometimes democracy sucks.
    So commenting on things you have no understanding of is a pattern. I’ll keep that in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    That makes no sense. Though with a difference this small, it's basically a coin toss.
    Yep, sometimes democracy sucks.
    It wasn't small. Hillary beat him by almost 3 million votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Then you don’t feel bad about it, you feel the need to be “correct” about it.

    That’s sociopathic.
    But, it’s disguised under utilitarianism...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    A streamer said it right....

    “Insisting on your right to not wear a mask, while ignoring your responsibility to your fellow citizens to wear a mask, is how a child operates. It’s a preconventional sense of morality.” -MiltonTPike1
    Damn Milton hitting it with the truths once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    That's bad - people say that above 5% is too high.
    Wasn't 5% the threshold at which you start missing a lot of cases in testing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    So commenting on things you have no understanding of is a pattern. I’ll keep that in mind.
    Instead of mindlessly attacking anyone who doesn't agree with your world view, how about posting something constructive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by postman1782 View Post
    It wasn't small. Hillary beat him by almost 3 million votes.
    So she won the first round but Electorate College decided otherwise which depended on the seat/population ratio of the states in question.
    It's an interesting system, though I find it odd that EC voters can actually go against the popular vote of the state they represent.
    As far as I read, the reasoning behind that is that politically uneducated people might be swept away by an overly emotional campaign.
    Also, the "winner gets all EC votes" of some states is IMHO a nonsensical approach. That means that large %ages of your populations opinions are not reflected in the final vote.
    I can understand your criticism and see the potential mis-use of such a system. If EC voters can vote "unfaithful" and could (in theory) be bought, the whole election can easily be rigged. Especially in such close calls.

    On question comes to mind though: what happens to the losers? In our systems, they form an opposition. Oftentimes the opposition is so strong, that the parties start forming coalitions in order to get a functional government that actually can make decisions.
    Is it not the same for yours? I'd reckon that a near 50/50 split would result in a very strong opposition, being able to veto any unpopular move of the winning candidate.
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