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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://news.avclub.com/the-white-ho...-to-1845482502

    Wait...was this the repurposing of the $300M that was supposed to go to a big "optimistic and uplifting" ad campaign featuring Hollywood celebrities that fell apart when the best they could do was Dennis Quaid and Shulem Lemmer?

    Mall fuckin santas?
    Well, it sort of makes sense.

    A typical Santa is male, overweight, and elderly, right? All risk factors, and working close to lots of persons makes it even more important.

    HOWEVER, they normally work between Halloween and Christmas - and you are not immune to covid immediately after being vaccinated - and the vaccine is not yet approved; so too late.

    Oh, and it's not clear that the vaccine will be 100% effective. Having a mall santa getting covid and dying is a bit bad - having a mall santa doing that after vaccination is worse.

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    Hmmm... What percentage is infected in the White House/Fox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post

    Hmmm... What percentage is infected in the White House/Fox?
    Trick question!!!

    the answer is "not enough"/// s
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    when the fuck this shit ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    no... where i live...
    Oh so you're a fucking ghoul downplaying one of the worst responses to the pandemic outside of America.

    Seriously, they were telling you it was going to pay off, it hasnt and thousands are dead. Meanwhile countries that actually responded to the pandemic are more or less okay .

    Fucking hate this pandemic and the fucking ghoulish, heartless people it has uncovered. Shit at least the people who value making money and their freedom over human lives have made it very obvious and planted their flag in that hill. The litmus test for who is piece of shit has never been easier.

    Also fuck off with this "50 cases where I live" shit, its obvious you're talking about your town, which depending on the size of it 50 cases is a lot. I think that's about as many active cases in the entire country I live in so I'm not sure how what you say shows that your country hasnt fuxked up. One day the people who handled your pandemic response will be held accountable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    One day the people who handled your pandemic response will be held accountable.
    If the general population is okay with their approach: no, they won't.

    My town is at 50.5 cases/100.000 in 7 days incident rate. It has 216.000 inhabitants.
    Unfortunately, I do not know how much we test, so it is difficult to put these numbers into perspective.
    We only have 2 dead people since this whole thing started though, so I'm guessing we're doing okay.

    Still, music teacher told me yesterday that they decided to forego having a Christmas market this year. Bold move.

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    Mitch McConnel just adjourned Senate until the 9th... no covid relief for at least 2 weeks... with cases climbing... hang on to your butts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josuke View Post
    One day the people who handled your pandemic response will be held accountable.
    lol... the politicians has no control over that response...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance

    Ministerial rule (Swedish: ministerstyre) is the informal term for when a public authority in Sweden — including the Riksdag, or a decision-making body of a municipality — tries to influence how an administrative authority (Swedish: förvaltningsmyndighet) decides in a particular case relating to the exercise of public authority vis-à-vis an individual or a local authority, or the application of legislation. This is a violation against the Instrument of Government,[1][2] the main part of the constitution of Sweden.
    So while the agencies are formally associated with some department, a minister cannot exert control over these agencies on individual matters, and they do not have the authority to direct daily operations. Ministers are thus expressly prohibited to intervene in matters relating to the application of the law or the due exercise of an agency's authority, quite unlike the situation in many other countries.
    if they would go in and intervene, they would be violating the constitution... it would be political and social suicide for any politician to try to do that...

    and the people in FHM can't be legally punished for this... the law that would permit this was removed in 1976...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    lol... the politicians has no control over that response...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance




    if they would go in and intervene, they would be violating the constitution... it would be political and social suicide for any politician to try to do that...

    and the people in FHM can't be legally punished for this... the law that would permit this was removed in 1976...
    That doesnt justify your ghoulish behavior.

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    Looks like there is no way to fight this virus and we are going to live with the virus for a long time to come. man I miss nightlife and music events and festivals soo much

    "Levels of protective antibodies in people wane "quite rapidly" after coronavirus infection, say researchers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Looks like there is no way to fight this virus and we are going to live with the virus for a long time to come. man I miss nightlife and music events and festivals soo much

    "Levels of protective antibodies in people wane "quite rapidly" after coronavirus infection, say researchers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873
    There is and we will. The same way we fought against polio and small pox. Vaccines and booster shots. And maybe annual vaccinations. Stay in good health, eat right and exercise. Avoid smoking anything which can damage your lungs and keep from becoming obese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    lol... the politicians has no control over that response...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministerial_governance...
    Eh...not sure if you're joking or not, to be perfectly honest. Who do you think has any control, then? The Public Health Agency? Because if you think it's them that in practice does the "ordering" and makes things actually happen, visavi limitations in attendance-numbers at events and the like, i think you need to go and re-examine this whole matter. The government enforces the stuff they ask for to happen. It's the government that controls THEM if they so choose - which they quite visibly do not chose to do (one sometimes wonder if Tegnell is the new prime minister, or what), something which in the end is probably very wise indeed anyways, seeing the sheer brilliance the government at large exhudes every time any of them opens their mouth (although it VERY obviously is more of a try to escape responsibility, just in case that would be needed later on). If you refer to the extreme measures some countries have taken (such as for example military police controlling curfew in the streets, ie martial law), then yes, as far as i know that isn't legal here outside of what would be tantamount to a state of war, basically.

    I'm genuinely quite nonplussed at what you're refering to, really, unless I entirely missed some caveat or similar. Haven't you seen how for example the Swedish Football Association desperately tries to have the Minister for Culture lessen the limitations on attendance numbers? How some regional politicians have refused to simply adhere to the response of the Public Health Agency and instead added on more severe restrictions themselves, locally? Etc etc, and so on. Or are you thinking about the press conferences where the Public Health Agency tells everybody how people are to behave to lessen the effects of the pandemic? Because in the latter case, it's due to the fact that what they say is technically advice - i.e. voluntary. There's a reason that it wasn't them but the government that declared that the new limit on public attendance at sports events is 300 people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post

    if they would go in and intervene, they would be violating the constitution... it would be political and social suicide for any politician to try to do that...

    and the people in FHM can't be legally punished for this... the law that would permit this was removed in 1976...
    You do realize that the government is, overall, entirely free to dictate what an agency is to do, right? Actually even at a detailed level. Ministerial governance pertains to indivual cases, perhaps also for very local ones (not entirely sure), hardly to overall stratagems or a general pandemic-response, or anything else pertaining to corona on a national level. Oh, and it's nice if your town is faring well, corona-wise...here, on the contrary, it's worse than it ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Looks like there is no way to fight this virus and we are going to live with the virus for a long time to come. man I miss nightlife and music events and festivals soo much

    "Levels of protective antibodies in people wane "quite rapidly" after coronavirus infection, say researchers."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873
    This is a poor understanding of immunologic memory. Antibody titers typically decline over time, but that's a poor correlate for protective memory. It's well established that T-mediated immunity plays an important role in protection from COVID-19 and there is not presently any good reason to believe that T cell memory declines at a rapid rate. Likewise, circulating antibodies aren't a good measure of memory B cells and ability to rapidly respond to a new infection.

    This is bad, sensationalist journalism and if we lived in an era with any remaining standards of journalistic integrity, this reporter would be shamed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sama-81 View Post

    You do realize that the government is, overall, entirely free to dictate what an agency is to do, right? (
    no... they're not... they can change it by implementing new or changing laws and regulations... they can't go and tell them to just do something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    no... they're not... they can change it by implementing new or changing laws and regulations... they can't go and tell them to just do something...
    Perhaps not regarding an already implemented strategy, that is quite possible...don't dare to explicitly state anything about that, but i would definitely guess on it being fair game as well. But otherwise, they actually can, most definitely, and often do. Not exactly HOW obviously, that's what they have an agency for pretty much, but definitely WHAT to do. No new laws needed. Normally it's done via "regleringsbrev" obviously, but they can technically pretty much go "this is the outcome we want, make it happen", in terms of an overall strategy or endgame. Very good examples of media-covered instances of pretty harsh goals set forth by the government, after which the agencies had to change their parameters and modus operandi, resulting in having media-outrage showered over them, has been ones involving the Social Insurance Agency and the Public Employment Service. I still remember the one where the Director-General STILL got pretty much fired, for doing as told, when the reaction from the media and general public got too firey...don't get much more of a 'scape-goat situation' than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    This is a poor understanding of immunologic memory. Antibody titers typically decline over time, but that's a poor correlate for protective memory. It's well established that T-mediated immunity plays an important role in protection from COVID-19 and there is not presently any good reason to believe that T cell memory declines at a rapid rate. Likewise, circulating antibodies aren't a good measure of memory B cells and ability to rapidly respond to a new infection.

    This is bad, sensationalist journalism and if we lived in an era with any remaining standards of journalistic integrity, this reporter would be shamed.
    The BBC often push the government line to condition and manipulate people and it should be read in that context.

    With the vaccine likely being delivered for distribution on Monday to UK hospitals the BBC will have been instructed to scare everyone into thinking they have no immunity now even if they have tested +ve for Covid in the past.

    Most people I speak to who had a sniffle or cold sometime this year are adamant they already had Covid, even if untested, are immune and so don't need vaccinating. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But it is no good the general population assuming that if the government position is they want as many people as possible to be vaccinated. Cue an article exactly like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Mitch McConnel just adjourned Senate until the 9th... no covid relief for at least 2 weeks... with cases climbing... hang on to your butts...
    BuT NaNCy pELosI Won'T MaKE A DEAl!1!1!ELEVEN1!!1ONEONE1!

    Watching some of the folks in /r/conservative come to the realization, while claiming "that's a Democrat move", that McConnell is actually the one holding up much needed financial assistance to citizens, small businesses, and states/cities that are grappling with budget problems was a bit of a delight.

    As I've said, the US is not capable of effectively combatting a pandemic under the current leadership, or lack thereof. And that trickles down to their followers, much unlike their economic policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    This is a poor understanding of immunologic memory. Antibody titers typically decline over time, but that's a poor correlate for protective memory. It's well established that T-mediated immunity plays an important role in protection from COVID-19 and there is not presently any good reason to believe that T cell memory declines at a rapid rate. Likewise, circulating antibodies aren't a good measure of memory B cells and ability to rapidly respond to a new infection.

    This is bad, sensationalist journalism and if we lived in an era with any remaining standards of journalistic integrity, this reporter would be shamed.
    The OP's slant aside, that's not what the article actually says, though.
    The Imperial College London team found the number of people testing positive for antibodies has fallen by 26% between June and September.

    They say immunity appears to be fading and there is a risk of catching the virus multiple times.

    In the first round of testing, at the end of June and the beginning of July, about 60 in 1,000 people had detectable antibodies.

    But in the latest set of tests, in September, only 44 per 1,000 people were positive.

    It suggests the number of people with antibodies fell by more than a quarter between summer and autumn.

    "Immunity is waning quite rapidly, we're only three months after our first [round of tests] and we're already showing a 26% decline in antibodies," said Prof Helen Ward, one of the researchers.

    Exactly what the antibody drop means for immunity is still uncertain. There are other parts of the immune system, such as T-cells, which may also play a role, directly killing infected host cells and calling to other immune cells to help out.

    However, the researchers warn antibodies tend to be highly predictive of who is protected.

    "On the balance of evidence, I would say it would look as if immunity declines away at the same rate as antibodies decline away, and that this is an indication of waning immunity."

    There are four other human coronaviruses, which we catch multiple times in our lives. They cause common cold symptoms and we can be reinfected every six to 12 months.

    There have been very few confirmed cases of people getting Covid twice. However, the researchers warn this may be due to immunity only just starting to fade since the peak infection rates of March and April.

    The hope is the second infection will be milder than the first, even if immunity does decline, as the body should have an "immune memory" of the first encounter and know how to fight back.

    The researchers say their findings do not scupper hopes of a vaccine, which may prove more effective than a real infection.

    Prof Eleanor Riley, from the University of Edinburgh, said it would be "premature" to assume immunity did not last, but "the data do lend weight to the concern that antibodies induced by natural infection may be short-lived, as is the case for other seasonal coronaviruses."
    To be honest, this study finds nothing that was not already suspected to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    The BBC often push the government line to condition and manipulate people and it should be read in that context.

    With the vaccine likely being delivered for distribution on Monday to UK hospitals the BBC will have been instructed to scare everyone into thinking they have no immunity now even if they have tested +ve for Covid in the past.

    Most people I speak to who had a sniffle or cold sometime this year are adamant they already had Covid, even if untested, are immune and so don't need vaccinating. They might be right, they might be wrong.

    But it is no good the general population assuming that if the government position is they want as many people as possible to be vaccinated. Cue an article exactly like that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    There is and we will.
    Chief of Staff Mark Meadows thinks otherwise - We're not going to control the pandemic.

    He's already waving that white flag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    This is a poor understanding of immunologic memory. Antibody titers typically decline over time, but that's a poor correlate for protective memory. It's well established that T-mediated immunity plays an important role in protection from COVID-19 and there is not presently any good reason to believe that T cell memory declines at a rapid rate. Likewise, circulating antibodies aren't a good measure of memory B cells and ability to rapidly respond to a new infection.

    This is bad, sensationalist journalism and if we lived in an era with any remaining standards of journalistic integrity, this reporter would be shamed.
    lets hope so buddy, I can't wait for this stupid virus to be over so we can break from the prison we are living in atm, sigh. Once this is all over I'm massively going to support and donate to festival organizers and local music bands and pubs. I can't believe how important they were for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Aren't conspiracy theories not allowed on this forum?
    Nope they arent.. but its dribbles.
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