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    Quote Originally Posted by Eviscero View Post
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.
    Yes, assuming it holds up and there are no bad side effect it may be that way for the developed world; but it may still take a year to get everyone vaccinated. Hopefully Astra-Zeneca's vaccine (or similar ones) will also work, so that India, S. America and Africa can get a vaccine - without having to rely on the excessive cooling needed for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eviscero View Post
    Pfizer just announced early phase 3 trial results showing their mRNA vaccine is more than 90% effective. If that holds up, it's a silver bullet.

    In a beautiful twist of fate, Pfizer did not take any money from Operation Warp Speed. Could mean that not only won't Trump get any default credit in the history books for ending the pandemic during his administration (it won't be "over" until well into Biden's), his Operation Warp Speed may not be given historical credit either!

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/h...gtype=Homepage
    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    thats hilarious, everyone on twitter is like " thanks trump for the vaccine!"
    but they werent even part of the admin lul, you know if this was a dem they would be talking about how bad government is and how the private sector is superior, but since they are full trumpers nationalist socialism has to be their path
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    Yes, money to produce and deliver - not create.

    A more interesting question is why they made the claim.

    The most logical explanation is they don't want to be associated with a loser.

    Why they didn't try to push for an earlier review of the results is less clear (they were supposed to check it after 32 cases - and pushed it to 64 and finally it ended up as more than 90); but since they don't know what the outcome it's possible they realized that delivering the news (good or bad) before the US election would have tainted the results (especially as it would have been less reliable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    it was a contract to purchase the vaccine when it was available, the only ground im going to give you is they knew once it was developed it would be profitable, but all Research and development( the important shit) was done by pfizer, and my broad point was it use to be a conservative thing to praise the free market for creating a vaccine, instead they are literally triggered that pfizer did this announcement after the election instead of before so the trump admin could claim it was THEIR vaccine, the Rs are socialist with nationalism basically now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    20 bucks a pop to just make each one. Ya they are making back that "creation" money easy and prob 20-25% margin on top of it.


    Now a flu shot sells for 10-16 dollars from the manufacture. about 20% of that is markup.
    The real profit on the flu shot is the administration. Places like CVS and doctor office make some serious change on just giving them from insurance companies. Their cost are next to nothing because of the time to administer and the fact 99% of the people doing the administration were already being paid to be there.


    Will be interesting too see if the govt holds true to their promise to pay for it all. They will have to go to the public sector to administer


    This is what Medicare pays for flu shots, 10-60 dollars for cost of shot and administrative fee

    https://www.cms.gov/Medicare/Medicar...accinesPricing

    They spend somewhere in the vicinity of 15 billion a year just on flu shots for a tiny fraction of the 60 million.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
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    Whoever tests for coronavirus automatically enters a daily lottery which may award 3k USD, unclear how many such prizes per day will be there.

    Starting next week.
    hmm, how much does a test cost around you? sounds like a better chance then playing scratch offs
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    Well, you have your answer. They're willing to lie about working in a hospital.
    I found its a more widely used new disinformation technique that targets the usual crowd through facebook and similar stuff (whatsapp in europe).
    Its always "I know a nurse" , or "a nurse told me this" proceeding to spew total garbage like 90% of tests are fake, covid is fake, all random deaths are counted as covid for xyz conspiracy.
    Its all real and true. I know a real nurse who is an expert epidemiologist that knows all the hidden inside stuff.

  7. #20607
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Why they didn't try to push for an earlier review of the results is less clear (they were supposed to check it after 32 cases - and pushed it to 64 and finally it ended up as more than 90); but since they don't know what the outcome it's possible they realized that delivering the news (good or bad) before the US election would have tainted the results (especially as it would have been less reliable).
    They explained this. While they were discussing changing from 32 to 64 cases, cases exploded in the US and they had over 90 before they could put anything together to show. It wasn't intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arandomuser View Post
    it was a contract to purchase the vaccine when it was available, the only ground im going to give you is they knew once it was developed it would be profitable, but all Research and development( the important shit) was done by pfizer, and my broad point was it use to be a conservative thing to praise the free market for creating a vaccine, instead they are literally triggered that pfizer did this announcement after the election instead of before so the trump admin could claim it was THEIR vaccine, the Rs are socialist with nationalism basically now
    No, it was not, it was done by BioNTech...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    If they manage to make mRNA vaccines safe, then they can actually start to crank out vaccines at an accelerated rate. The problem...safe mRNA vaccines. Never been done in humans because they are/can be very dangerous - worse than the disease they are attempting to treat.
    Who are gonna be the guinea pigs for it? Essential workers? No, the real ones, not Carl the grocery store cashier or Valerie the barista. Doctors, nurses, people like that.

    Be a total clusterfuck if great swaths of the medical field were fucked by this vaccine. Anyone want to place a bet on liability waivers?
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuger View Post
    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

    "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval. The agreement also allows the U.S. government to acquire an additional 500 million doses."

    So no money to create the vaccine but money to distribute ?
    Pfizers role in its partner ship is basically the hardware and distribution because that's what it's good at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    Who are gonna be the guinea pigs for it? Essential workers? No, the real ones, not Carl the grocery store cashier or Valerie the barista. Doctors, nurses, people like that.

    Be a total clusterfuck if great swaths of the medical field were fucked by this vaccine. Anyone want to place a bet on liability waivers?
    I said it another thread the news is good but more for shareholders.

    This candidate is still in the early part of phase 3, still a giant mystery bag. Also one of the most sensitive of the vaccines that entered phase 3.

    We're going to learn quickly if they've managed to accelerate the timeline to a vaccine or if they have a lot of kinks to work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    hmm, how much does a test cost around you? sounds like a better chance then playing scratch offs
    Test cost? About 0 USD on average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    hmm, how much does a test cost around you? sounds like a better chance then playing scratch offs
    All states don't have free tests? We have a testing place open 7 days a week that gives both PCR and Rapid tests. PCR test only takes a day or so to get back, kind of negating that a Rapid test is even offered (rapid tests are only really effective if you have symptoms and both test can produce false negative if you test while in the incubation stage).

    You can also pay a clinic $20 but all you really get is not having to wait in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All states don't have free tests? We have a testing place open 7 days a week that gives both PCR and Rapid tests. PCR test only takes a day or so to get back, kind of negating that a Rapid test is even offered (rapid tests are only really effective if you have symptoms and both test can produce false negative if you test while in the incubation stage).

    You can also pay a clinic $20 but all you really get is not having to wait in line.
    Gaidax is in Israel, not the US.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    All states don't have free tests? We have a testing place open 7 days a week that gives both PCR and Rapid tests. PCR test only takes a day or so to get back, kind of negating that a Rapid test is even offered (rapid tests are only really effective if you have symptoms and both test can produce false negative if you test while in the incubation stage).

    You can also pay a clinic $20 but all you really get is not having to wait in line.
    Ya i was talking about his country, if it was free the lottery thing is insane since people would just keep going for test

    US Free?

    If you have insurance, the insurance will be billed. they will pay. there is no out of pocket, but its not free.
    It will cost your plan, for which you pay for. Thankfully this additional cost will be offset by lower service utilization during the lockdown and since.

    Medicare, Medicaid, VA will be paying the cost. (paid for by taxpayers $$)


    If you are uninsured it will be paid by the federal program, unless you want a rapid test then you have to come up with the $$

    CVS offers rapid test for "free" but you have to have a referral and meet many requirements

    On top of just the test there is the lab fee which is upwards of 100+ dollars, thankfully almost all insurance companies are paying out of YOUR benefits 100%.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Ya i was talking about his country, if it was free the lottery thing is insane since people would just keep going for test

    US Free?

    If you have insurance, the insurance will be billed. they will pay. there is no out of pocket, but its not free.
    It will cost your plan, for which you pay for. Thankfully this additional cost will be offset by lower service utilization during the lockdown and since.

    Medicare, Medicaid, VA will be paying the cost. (paid for by taxpayers $$)


    If you are uninsured it will be paid by the federal program, unless you want a rapid test then you have to come up with the $$

    CVS offers rapid test for "free" but you have to have a referral and meet many requirements

    On top of just the test there is the lab fee which is upwards of 100+ dollars, thankfully almost all insurance companies are paying out of YOUR benefits 100%.
    Hmm, then that would definitly be one of the problems with US testing because PCR and Rapid are subsizided in my state. 100% no questions asked. Hell a few months ago they only verfied one persons name if you pulled up with a group (that person received everyones results), which I bet led to some HIPPA violations. Definitly resulted in lost test results.

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    This Pfeiser sitation situation shows how huge scams can people stomach

    yesterday whole world was rejoicing

    this morning we hear news that they base resoults on 94 people test group !

    lol good luck anyone who takes this vaccine - you will need it

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    This Pfeiser sitation situation shows how huge scams can people stomach

    yesterday whole world was rejoicing

    this morning we hear news that they base resoults on 94 people test group !

    lol good luck anyone who takes this vaccine - you will need it
    And they've announced this massive victory pretty much immediately after the first succesful test, saying that the immunity will last a year with no side effects. Surely we'd need to wait at least a year to know if those people have indeed kept they immunity, and shown no side effects...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Ya i was talking about his country, if it was free the lottery thing is insane since people would just keep going for test
    That's the idea basically. 3k USD is not some insanely huge thing here, mostly it's an idea in order to encourage more people to take tests.

    Here tests are simply free. Government pays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    This Pfeiser sitation situation shows how huge scams can people stomach

    yesterday whole world was rejoicing

    this morning we hear news that they base resoults on 94 people test group !

    lol good luck anyone who takes this vaccine - you will need it

    You've misunderstood the testing. They have tested on 43000 people with no side effects. The number 94 comes from people they know have got coronovirus and have been protected. Without doing challenge tests (where they give people the virus directly) they need to just give the vaccine to lots of people and "hope" they contract the virus in the general population.

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    so since trump lost the election hes basically given up on anything related to covid
    just seen a guy on abc who predicted 400k cases a day by the time biden is inaugurated, trumpism will have the entire republican senate and scotus behind them. and 70 million americans, they will literally knee cap bidens response, and then blame him for all the deaths as soon as he takes office. these guys are pure evil i cant understand why so half the country cant see it, i hope i am just being deranged, but i cant help but have zero hope with this crisis,, even with the vaccine anti vaxxer conspiracies are so rampant 40% wont even take it..

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