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    In Donetsk, when in late spring masks were mandated, maybe over half population obeyed, and since we had 3rd best case rate in Europe after Finland and Latvia, the percentage was dwindling over time. By early September, only exceptions had masks even on their chin, the rest wore them in their pockets. Now cases are climbing and perception changed from "scary fairytale" to "a person I know got sick", more than half are wearing masks again, even though we're still doing comparatively well. Governmental enforcement didn't change much, people are doing it on their own. From what I gather, similar process didn't happen in USA at all, people wear masks by their party allegiance? Can someone non-radical share their first hand experience?


    On a separate topic, my friend's acquaintance who ended up across the front in Ukraine, died last week from "two-sided pneumonia". A man over 50, didn't know his name but I saw him several times before the war in the street / yard. This is the closest to me Covid death so far, my own family came out unscathed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    They explained this. While they were discussing changing from 32 to 64 cases, cases exploded in the US and they had over 90 before they could put anything together to show. It wasn't intentional.
    It wasn't intentional that it increased to 90 instead of 64, but could they have pushed more for reviewing it after only 32 cases, and possibly having results 6 days earlier? I don't know - but I cannot clearly say that it would have been impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wezmon View Post
    You've misunderstood the testing. They have tested on 43000 people with no side effects. The number 94 comes from people they know have got coronovirus and have been protected. Without doing challenge tests (where they give people the virus directly) they need to just give the vaccine to lots of people and "hope" they contract the virus in the general population.
    I doubt that it's without side effects, as almost all vaccines have some side effects - but allegedly mild cases of at least fever, chills, and fatigue.

    They vaccinated half (which seem common) and assuming I have the numbers right, then 20,000 got a placebo and of those 86 got ill, whereas 20,000 got the real vaccine and only 8 got ill. That indicates that in the placebo group 0.4% have managed to get infected in a short time (after 2nd dose - which is about a month after 1st dose) - so in one or two months on average it seems. (They seem to have started at the end of June/beginning of July, and in mid-September 12,000 had gotten 2nd dose; 30,000 were enrolled and they planned for 40,000 partipants.)
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    A very scary disease that affects too many fatalities

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Hmm, then that would definitly be one of the problems with US testing because PCR and Rapid are subsizided in my state. 100% no questions asked. Hell a few months ago they only verfied one persons name if you pulled up with a group (that person received everyones results), which I bet led to some HIPPA violations. Definitly resulted in lost test results.
    i just drove by our big "free" center at 1pm, the line was 2.5 miles long.
    sigh there goes my "safe" state

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    That's the idea basically. 3k USD is not some insanely huge thing here, mostly it's an idea in order to encourage more people to take tests.

    Here tests are simply free. Government pays.
    Here people just take advantage of them

    This is what you get with this administration and the lack of a concise and detailed federal plan...or a plan at all....


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...?ocid=msedgdhp

    These Towns Trusted a Doctor to Set Up Covid Testing. Sample Patient Fee: $1,944.
    Ms. Sussman, 51, took her whole family to get tested, and the results came back negative.

    Then the paperwork came: $6,816 had been charged to insurance for four coronavirus tests. Ms. Sussman’s fees alone were $1,944.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    This Pfeiser sitation situation shows how huge scams can people stomach

    yesterday whole world was rejoicing

    this morning we hear news that they base resoults on 94 people test group !

    lol good luck anyone who takes this vaccine - you will need it
    LOL good luck to anyone who....ummm....does not understand what they are talking about and the people who end up believing them.

    sigh
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  5. #20625
    https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...is-just-hired/

    Death cult leader Ron DeSantis predictably hires Uber driving conspiracy theorist with no expertise as a data analyst to...work as a data analyst on covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    It wasn't intentional that it increased to 90 instead of 64, but could they have pushed more for reviewing it after only 32 cases, and possibly having results 6 days earlier? I don't know - but I cannot clearly say that it would have been impossible.
    The FDA routinely asks for more data during trials. They probably felt 32 wouldn't have been significant enough to know anything worthwhile. This is just interim data anyway, the FDA isn't making any decisions off this. It's mostly for the company to know whether to continue the trials or not.

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    Fauci says he will take new Pfizer vaccine if FDA approves it

    Asked on MSNBC if he would take the vaccine, Fauci said: "I'm going to look at the data, but I trust Pfizer. I trust the FDA. These are colleagues of mine for decades, the career scientists. If they look at this data, and they say this data is solid, let's go ahead and approve it, I promise you, I will take the vaccine, and I will recommend that my family take the vaccine."

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    There ya go.

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    ...aaand there's more!

    Health officials to begin distribution of Eli Lilly antibody drug this week

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    Problem with the Pfizer vaccine, has to be transported at below 70° degrees. What we currently don't have a transport system for yet.

    That is assuming it gets through it's final testing phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.tampabay.com/news/health...is-just-hired/

    Death cult leader Ron DeSantis predictably hires Uber driving conspiracy theorist with no expertise as a data analyst to...work as a data analyst on covid.
    It’s a bubble hire... The guy is good at manipulating numbers to convince GOP, that GOP is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Problem with the Pfizer vaccine, has to be transported at below 70° degrees. What we currently don't have a transport system for yet.

    That is assuming it gets through it's final testing phase.
    I think people are jumping the gun too early on it, we haven't seen the data and it has not been peer reviewed as of yet. It looks promising but more information is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Problem with the Pfizer vaccine, has to be transported at below 70° degrees. What we currently don't have a transport system for yet.

    That is assuming it gets through it's final testing phase.
    ? I've gone into tons of pharmacies around my area (US) and every one of them has a fridge/freezer for storing different types of medications, they also have these things called refrigerated/freezer trucks used for transporting frozen or never frozen products...I don't get the worry about it needing to be below 70 degrees or the idea that transport systems like that don't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylenol View Post
    ? I've gone into tons of pharmacies around my area (US) and every one of them has a fridge/freezer for storing different types of medications, they also have these things called refrigerated/freezer trucks used for transporting frozen or never frozen products...I don't get the worry about it needing to be below 70 degrees or the idea that transport systems like that don't exist.
    It's -70 degrees, not +70, close to the temperature of dry ice. A standard freezer is about 0 degrees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylenol View Post
    ? I've gone into tons of pharmacies around my area (US) and every one of them has a fridge/freezer for storing different types of medications, they also have these things called refrigerated/freezer trucks used for transporting frozen or never frozen products...I don't get the worry about it needing to be below 70 degrees or the idea that transport systems like that don't exist.
    As said above speaking of minus 70 Celcius not farenheit. Which poses a new challenge as news is reporting we don't really posses such transportation on mass scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by tylenol View Post
    ? I've gone into tons of pharmacies around my area (US) and every one of them has a fridge/freezer for storing different types of medications, they also have these things called refrigerated/freezer trucks used for transporting frozen or never frozen products...I don't get the worry about it needing to be below 70 degrees or the idea that transport systems like that don't exist.
    As said above speaking of minus 70 Celcius not farenheit. Which poses a new challenge as news is reporting we don't really posses such transportation on mass scale
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    Roughly the same temp as dry ice.
    Got plenty of that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Roughly the same temp as dry ice.
    Got plenty of that here.
    what are you doing with that much dry ice? creepy?

    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    It's -70 degrees, not +70, close to the temperature of dry ice. A standard freezer is about 0 degrees.
    -70C is insane

    You won't be getting this particular vaccine at your local Walgreens...or clinic. Likely hospitals only for a while assuming it gets approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    -70C is insane

    You won't be getting this particular vaccine at your local Walgreens...or clinic. Likely hospitals only for a while assuming it gets approved.
    they most likely would set up mobile vaccine centers funded by taxpayers for the distribution and storage while Walgreens gets to administer and collect the fees.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    Problem with the Pfizer vaccine, has to be transported at below 70° degrees. What we currently don't have a transport system for yet.

    That is assuming it gets through it's final testing phase.
    You're joking right? You do know we invented refrigerated trucks a loooong time ago right?


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    I see you meant below -70 not below 70. Huge difference there lol
    I have a fan. Seems he was permabanned.
    Yo, don't mind my "street talk"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    -70C is insane

    You won't be getting this particular vaccine at your local Walgreens...or clinic. Likely hospitals only for a while assuming it gets approved.
    In Germany we plan to build special centers to administer BNT162, afaik.

    Technically hospitals and pharmacies should also have the cooling abilities though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    You're joking right? You do know we invented refrigerated trucks a loooong time ago right?


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    I see you meant below -70 not below 70. Huge difference there lol
    Yeah forgot in the initial post that not everyone uses Celcius as a standard measure for temperature. Transport economists on the news here mentioned that it would require developing something new to do this. Regardless it's a vaccine and we have to be brutally honest us western regions are going to get it long before anywhere else so we'll find a transport solution, African nations are going to be less fortunate.
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