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    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...5dy-story.html

    Gov. Ron DeSantis suggested Wednesday that he would divert COVID-19 vaccines from communities that criticize his distribution methods, sparking complaints that he is playing politics with lifesaving medicine.

    DeSantis is facing questions in Manatee County over a decision to give seniors living in two of the area’s wealthiest ZIP codes special access to the vaccine.

    He brushed aside those concerns during a news conference Wednesday and then issued a warning to local officials complaining about his plan.

    “If Manatee County doesn’t like us doing this, we are totally fine with putting this in counties that want it,” DeSantis said.
    Death Cult Bishop Ron DeSantis threatens to pull vaccines from counties critical of the states rollout program. What are the counties criticizing?

    The governor called Rex Jensen, a developer, and arranged for 3,000 doses to be delivered to a vaccination site for Lakewood Ranch and other wealthy neighborhoods in Manatee County, the Bradenton Herald reported.

    Commissioner Misty Servia told the Bradenton Herald she didn’t understand why those neighborhoods were being prioritized

    “For the life of me, I can’t understand why we would vaccinate the most affluent neighborhoods in the county ahead of everyone else, especially the underserved neighborhoods and large number of manufactured home parks in our community,” Servia wrote in a text message to the Bradenton Herald.

    DeSantis said the state is focusing on communities with a high concentration of seniors that are willing to help organize vaccination events, and Manatee County has trailed other parts of the state in vaccinating residents 65 years and older. He said the 3,000 doses are in addition to the county’s weekly allotment.
    As long as death cultists like this are in charge, states will continue to suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caractacus View Post
    About that paper

    However, to be contrarian to the contrarian: that couple discuss asymptomatic spread, whereas pre-symptomatic spread raises similar issues - and the most conservative estimate in the paper is that 25% of the spread is pre-symptomatic and the rest symptomatic. Which makes it significant without being the main cause.

    I don't know if it is correct - it depends on symptom start compared to start of spread, and also how many that claim that they were "asymptomatic" but were mildly symptomatic. (When Bob infects the rest of the office, do you think he will say that he was mildly symptomatic but went to work to not spend sick days, or that he was asymptomatic and he couldn't have prevented it?)

    What is clear is that many don't have severe symptoms (although some die), and that the symptoms aren't that clear-cut (and people may take anti-fever drugs so temperature checks are not reliable either); and thus any measure relying on actions of just the infected seems doomed to fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcube View Post
    https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020202791

    seems like it gives brain damage as well in addition to all the other things...
    Quote Originally Posted by gondrin View Post
    Well, since COVID inhibits oxygen intake by quite a bit(if severe), I can see that.
    It's more tham that. COVID increases the permeability of artery walls which means things that are not supposed to can pass through to cells. Most organs can repair damage readily, but brain cells getting loaded with whatever can produce interesting results. Not necessarily on the level of turning people into raving lunatics, but maybe an impact on attention span or sleeping problems... and work your way up from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Has that claim ever been proven in a peer reviewed manner?
    As someone who's had COVID I can tell you I barely noticed I had it. I thought my allergies were acting up since I helped someone move and their furniture had a lot of dust. I blamed that for my runny noise. I also attributed my muscle aches to it as well since I was moving lots of heavy stuff. I had no fever so I went about as normal, until someone in my family developed a fever and got tested for COVID and then we all got tested positive. My mother only lost her taste and had muscle aches. It's very easy to get COVID and not realize you have it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...5dy-story.html

    Death Cult Bishop Ron DeSantis threatens to pull vaccines from counties critical of the states rollout program. What are the counties criticizing?

    As long as death cultists like this are in charge, states will continue to suffer.
    Use democracy to vote them out. One of the few good things that's coming out of COVID is that you can see what wolf is wearing politicians clothing. Next election cycle he should be voted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    Use democracy to vote them out. One of the few good things that's coming out of COVID is that you can see what wolf is wearing politicians clothing. Next election cycle he should be voted out.
    He (like the rest of the red states) are already hard at work ensuring that you won't be able to vote to vote him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    He (like the rest of the red states) are already hard at work ensuring that you won't be able to vote to vote him out.
    I'm sure that'll go down very well and nobody will be upset over it.

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    Yesterday's data is out.

    ~50k tests done, 3011 cases found, 75.4% of cases are 39yo or less. Only 5.5% are 60yo plus. New cases and detection rate are dropping, but there is expected to be an increase in the upcoming holiday season.

    Dead so far - 5521, yesterday 35.

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    Welp, I guess we don't even need a vaccine, COVID is no big deal at all, an expert said so and we must trust Newsom on this one. *Eyeroll*
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  9. #21289
    http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20210217001037

    Korea’s fourth, possibly worst wave yet of COVID-19 is advancing fast

    COVID-19 cases are on the rise again in South Korea after a brief respite from the winter resurgence, and experts warn that the country may be heading toward what may be its largest wave yet of the pandemic -- and sooner than anticipated.

    Just two days after social distancing regulations were eased, the number of daily cases rose to 621 on Wednesday, the highest since mid-January in the immediate aftermath of Korea’s third wave of COVID-19, which sickened over 35,000 and killed nearly 700.

    Preventive medicine specialist Dr. Jung Jae-hun of Gachon University says Korea is on a trajectory that is worse than what was shown in his Jan. 27 modeling.

    “The numbers being registered now are higher than the forecast that I had made three weeks ago,” he said.

    According to his model, the case rates during the first two weeks of February should have been on a decline. Instead, they have been demonstrating a concerning upward trend.

    “It took 176 days for Korea to get to the coronavirus second wave after the first, and 120 days until the third. You notice how each wave expedites the arrival of the next one,” Jung said.

    He had projected the fourth peak could approach Korea 70 to 120 days later, sometime between March 4 and April 23. Now, he says it appears to be “advancing faster than (he) thought.”

    Addressing a government meeting Wednesday morning, Prime Minister Chung Sye-kyun attributed the climb in cases to “people’s waning commitment to COVID-19 precautions.”

    Crowds are returning to bars and nightclubs, and more often than not, masklessly,” he said.


    Sigh, people really need to stop acting as if they can just return to life before covid. I've barely left my home for like 3 months by now except to buy food or for health reasons and these people are going out drinking and clubbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freighter View Post
    Sigh, people really need to stop acting as if they can just return to life before covid. I've barely left my home for like 3 months by now except to buy food or for health reasons and these people are going out drinking and clubbing.
    People cannot maintain such discipline forever, so on some level it is understandable that they get tired and treat it in a more lax manner.
    Still this is mostly on your government. If you open bars and send the signal to relax, don't be surprised when people use them and actually do relax.

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    Yes, it is really unreasonable to expect everyone to become hermits for more than a year.

    That's why vaccination needs to be pushed as hard as possible. Last year was like a pause in a life and despite being on a cautious side, I certainly do not want another year of this shitshow of dodging invisible bullets and living in a bunker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Welp, I guess we don't even need a vaccine, COVID is no big deal at all, an expert said so and we must trust Newsom on this one. *Eyeroll*
    Can you post the actual video you watched peddling this bullshit? Because the one you did link, is saying Newsome wants to increase the speed of educators getting the vaccine, even though it won’t hold back school opening. Which isn’t contradicting anything... the increased speed, is because the schools are opening.

    Still peddling QAnon bullshit? Went from blaming covid on Newsome and Big Tech, to this tact? Noice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Yes, it is really unreasonable to expect everyone to become hermits for more than a year.

    That's why vaccination needs to be pushed as hard as possible. Last year was like a pause in a life and despite being on a cautious side, I certainly do not want another year of this shitshow of dodging invisible bullets and living in a bunker.
    Agreed 150%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    People cannot maintain such discipline forever, so on some level it is understandable that they get tired and treat it in a more lax manner.
    Still this is mostly on your government. If you open bars and send the signal to relax, don't be surprised when people use them and actually do relax.
    And especially don't be surprised that people don't wear masks while in a bar, as bars are places where people go to drink (and eat) and masks would get in the way.

  15. #21295
    In Bill Gates is a piece of shit who launders his reputation via his foundation, news:

    https://khn.org/news/rather-than-giv...ith-drugmaker/

    In a business driven by profit, vaccines have a problem. They’re not very profitable — at least not without government subsidies. Pharma companies favor expensive medicines that must be taken repeatedly and generate revenue for years or decades. Vaccines are often given only once or twice. In many parts of the world, established vaccines cost a few dollars per dose or less.

    Last year only four companies were making vaccines for the U.S. market, down from more than 20 in the 1970s. As recently as Feb. 11, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, complained that no major drug company had committed to “step up” to make a coronavirus vaccine, calling the situation “very difficult and frustrating.”

    Oxford University surprised and pleased advocates of overhauling the vaccine business in April by promising to donate the rights to its promising coronavirus vaccine to any drugmaker.

    The idea was to provide medicines preventing or treating COVID-19 at a low cost or free of charge, the British university said. That made sense to people seeking change. The coronavirus was raging. Many agreed that traditional vaccine development, characterized by long lead times, manufacturing monopolies and weak investment, was broken.

    “We actually thought they were going to do that,” James Love, director of Knowledge Ecology International, a nonprofit that works to expand access to medical technology, said of Oxford’s pledge. “Why wouldn’t people agree to let everyone have access to the best vaccines possible?”

    A few weeks later, Oxford—urged on by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation—reversed course. It signed an exclusive vaccine deal with AstraZeneca that gave the pharmaceutical giant sole rights and no guarantee of low prices—with the less-publicized potential for Oxford to eventually make millions from the deal and win plenty of prestige.

    Other companies working on coronavirus vaccines have followed the same line, collecting billions in government grants, hoarding patents, revealing as little as possible about their deals—and planning to charge up to $37 a dose for potentially hundreds of millions of shots.

    Even as governments shower money on an industry that has not made vaccines a priority in the past, critics say, failure to alter the basic model means drug industry executives and their shareholders will get rich with no assurance that future vaccines will be inexpensively available to all.

    “If there were ever an opportunity” to change the economics of vaccine development, “this would have been it,” said Ameet Sarpatwari, an epidemiologist and lawyer at Harvard Medical School who studies drug-pricing regulation. Instead, “it is business as usual, where the manufacturers are getting exclusive rights and we are hoping on the basis of public sentiment that they will price their products responsibly.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    In Bill Gates is a piece of shit who launders his reputation via his foundation, news:

    https://khn.org/news/rather-than-giv...ith-drugmaker/
    Tfw there's a pandemic on and it's still the less annoying plague than the glut of parasites like Gates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    In Bill Gates is a piece of shit who launders his reputation via his foundation, news:

    https://khn.org/news/rather-than-giv...ith-drugmaker/
    Not sure why this is coming up now, it's an article from last August and really misleading. I'm not sure why that article glosses over the fact that Oxford said that rights would only extend as long as the pandemic existed and beyond that it wanted it a separate licensing agreement that gave them money. No company was going to touch it without access to future profits so they needed a partner to get it mass produced right away, which is what the Gates Foundation suggested.

    Relevant parts from Expedited access for COVID-19 related IP
    "2. The default approach of the University and OUI regarding (1) will be to offer non-exclusive, royalty-free licences to support free of charge, at-cost or cost + limited margin supply as appropriate, and only for the duration of the pandemic, as defined by the WHO
    3. Licence terms for supplying downstream (post-pandemic) commercial markets will be the subject of a separate agreement
    4. The grant to a Licensee of access to IP under (1) does not guarantee it will be granted downstream commercial rights"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Yesterday's data is out.

    ~50k tests done, 3011 cases found, 75.4% of cases are 39yo or less. Only 5.5% are 60yo plus. New cases and detection rate are dropping, but there is expected to be an increase in the upcoming holiday season.

    Dead so far - 5521, yesterday 35.
    Winter cases are expected to be be low because people are going out as much. The real gut check will be when gen population gets access to vaccines. Whether or not people skip out on their shots like they do masks because they feel like enough people got it so they don't have to. Also people being reckless once they get a shot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    Not sure why this is coming up now, it's an article from last August and really misleading. I'm not sure why that article glosses over the fact that Oxford said that rights would only extend as long as the pandemic existed and beyond that it wanted it a separate licensing agreement that gave them money. No company was going to touch it without access to future profits so they needed a partner to get it mass produced right away, which is what the Gates Foundation suggested.
    Which shouldn't be surprising - one of the main pillars of Gates Foundation is that it wants actual results - not merely to be seen as being generous.
    This has also been part of the recent trend of more evidence based charity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    Relevant parts from Expedited access for COVID-19 related IP
    "2. The default approach of the University and OUI regarding (1) will be to offer non-exclusive, royalty-free licences to support free of charge, at-cost or cost + limited margin supply as appropriate, and only for the duration of the pandemic, as defined by the WHO
    3. Licence terms for supplying downstream (post-pandemic) commercial markets will be the subject of a separate agreement
    4. The grant to a Licensee of access to IP under (1) does not guarantee it will be granted downstream commercial rights"
    That universities are naïve in terms of commercializing their developments is hardly surprising.

    Note that it is still unclear if Astra-Zeneca will continue to make and market this vaccine after the pandemic. Similarly as many other pharmaceutical companies they have traditionally not made vaccines (since people don't pay much for them) and it is not clear that they will see a future potential in that business segment (at least according to public statements by the chair of their board).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Which shouldn't be surprising - one of the main pillars of Gates Foundation is that it wants actual results - not merely to be seen as being generous.
    This has also been part of the recent trend of more evidence based charity.
    Well that's nice label to put on the tin and all, but it doesn't change the fact that whatever the Gates Foundation's ostensible mission plan it'll never actually succeed because private charity doesn't really do anything, as was pointed out, beyond serving as a reputation laundering scheme for people who are doing far more social and economic damage simply by occupying the class they do.
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