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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Better to look in the mirror and ask yourself why multiple people are having to tell you this.
    Right now its just you, nobody else seems that upset about a study. So what is up buddy? What are we doing here?
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Right now its just you, nobody else seems that upset about a study. So what is up buddy? What are we doing here?
    Damn @Felya, you got some john cena powers here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanman12345 View Post
    Damn @Felya, you got some john cena powers here.
    Oh, I keep the reply-guy on ignore, I'm not down to talk to the "Colombian Exchange never happened" guy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    i think I have my posse filled out now. Mars is Theo, Jupiter is Vanyali, Linadra is Venus, and Heather is Mercury. Dragon can be Pluto.
    On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    Unfortunately, I don't think the virus cares whether the subjects are doing morally good actions or otherwise.

    Pastor says he won't close church after COVID-19 outbreak infected 74 members
    He's just helping his congregation get to meet Jesus faster.
    Quote Originally Posted by Crissi View Post
    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    FDA authorizes Pfizer coronavirus vaccine for adolescents 12 to 15 years old

    It is 100% effective btw. The bad thing is that only 30% of the parents surveyed by Kaiser Health will get the vaccine for their children immediately. On the other hand, the children themselves are almost universally eager to get the vaccine.

    OC and San Diego County are almost ready for yellow tier.

    Pfizer is also applying for FDA general use for their vaccine. At which point, the military, universities, hospitals and care facilities can then legally require their employees to get the vaccine.

    Also, Moderna is currently testing children as young as 6. Since no news is generally good news, I assume they haven't killed any of their test subjects yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Oh, I keep the reply-guy on ignore, I'm not down to talk to the "Colombian Exchange never happened" guy.
    That seems counter-intuitive to the purpose of attention seeking.

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    Got my Johnson and Johnson at a Walmart on the 6th. Made the appointment on the 5th online, super easy to do. Made sure to do some arm workouts the day I got the shot and my arm besides right where I got the shot did not hurt at all. My only side effect was the first day after the shot I had an awful headache, 2nd day the headache was still not good but far more manageable and the 3rd day I was perfectly fine.

    Edit: Chose the J&J because I have a flight in a month to visit a friend so the other shots I would of missed the 2nd dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Just pointing out that factoring morality into risk assessment isn't unique to covid - https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4wm9b2b2

    It's a pretty human thing to do in general. We look more favorably upon anything we deem "morally good" (including that something may be less risky) and less favorably on anything we deem "morally bad" (including that it may pose greater risk).
    Yep, it’s a very unremarkable study... It’s why deniers started pushing fake suicide statistics and now claim that vaccines get you sick. It’s the same appeal. If someone considers it immoral to not wear a mask, they are more likely to wear it. If some hack millionaire goes on daily rants how it’s child abuse to wear masks, that will encourage people to not wear the mask, because they have just been presented with a morality play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Oh, I keep the reply-guy on ignore, I'm not down to talk to the "Colombian Exchange never happened" guy.
    If this is true, what does it mean when you don’t put people on ignore, who keep calling you a nazi? I don’t even know what you are talking about... but, if you are not down with people who are that wrong... Why do you constantly respond to people calling you a fascist? I think that shows you are blatantly lying and spreading misinformation about me... you have me on ignore already, why continue to slander?

    No, but, since you really need to bring it up. I can do it while sticking to the topic.

    The reason am on ignore, is because you are afraid... after all, claiming that Gavin Newsome was using Covid as part of a reeducation campaign: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...Shock-Doctrine

    Then the fact that you understand fuck all about medicine, going as far as to discourage blood donation, because you don’t understand how syringes work... or even Bart Simpson/Space Balls humor, when both point out that nothing can suck and blow at the same time: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-in-California

    Kinda implies something about posting a study, about people acting on morality, when it comes to covid. Where to people such as my self, this study is wholly unremarkable, because that’s how humans work. I think based on this and the abrasive reaction to folks pointing out the obvious... I think the intent of posting it, was to continue your assertions that covid was something driven by the media. Much like your claim of Virtual Education Shock Doctrine was based on conspiracy about covid, that study had the same intent... try to pretend that reaction to covid is based on morality, driven by the liberal media... instead of morality of not wanting to kill people.

    Based on both... posting conspiracy about Virtual Education Shock Doctrine and posting misinformation based on ignorance, to discourage blood donation... I think it’s completely within reason to look at a study that doesn’t really say anything, for a motive beyond stating the obvious.

    For example... What was significant about that covid study?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    It doesn't but as the study shows, if an action is acceptable to do, people will perceive if something is safer if its considered morally good in their view.
    Not unexpected, people are generally very bad at understanding actual risks.

    Additionally it also seems obvious that several that have responded to this didn't understand that it was matter of people incorrectly perceiving the risk of an action as less risky if the action was done for unrelated morally good reasons than if the same action was done for morally questionable reasons; and mix it up with covid-19 protection in itself being morally good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I really wished that they would stop giving effectiveness with confidence intervals, and especially avoid using 100% effective that much.

    There were 16 cases among the placebo group and 0 among the vaccinated https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...-emergency-use - so it's plausible that it is as effective as for adults, i.e. around 95%, but FDA gives the confidence interval as 78.1% to 100%.

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    https://www.axios.com/uber-lyft-free...39f604fb8.html

    If you're worried about transportation, uber/lyft will be offering free rides to vaccination sites in the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Not unexpected, people are generally very bad at understanding actual risks.

    Additionally it also seems obvious that several that have responded to this didn't understand that it was matter of people incorrectly perceiving the risk of an action as less risky if the action was done for unrelated morally good reasons than if the same action was done for morally questionable reasons; and mix it up with covid-19 protection in itself being morally good.

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    I really wished that they would stop giving effectiveness with confidence intervals, and especially avoid using 100% effective that much.

    There were 16 cases among the placebo group and 0 among the vaccinated https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...-emergency-use - so it's plausible that it is as effective as for adults, i.e. around 95%, but FDA gives the confidence interval as 78.1% to 100%.
    You are just confusing the masses. Stop at 100% effective. Keep it simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.axios.com/uber-lyft-free...39f604fb8.html

    If you're worried about transportation, uber/lyft will be offering free rides to vaccination sites in the US.
    For some reason I thought Uber and Lyft were already doing that. Or was that in CA only?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    For some reason I thought Uber and Lyft were already doing that. Or was that in CA only?
    They were doing some free rides/discount in a limited capacity, this agreement extends it nationally as best I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    You are just confusing the masses. Stop at 100% effective. Keep it simple.
    Well, if the masses get vaccinated I prefer that they still get tested in case they show symptoms - instead of believing that the vaccine was 100% effective and they are totally immune.

    But that's just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Yep, it’s a very unremarkable study... It’s why deniers started pushing fake suicide statistics and now claim that vaccines get you sick. It’s the same appeal. If someone considers it immoral to not wear a mask, they are more likely to wear it. If some hack millionaire goes on daily rants how it’s child abuse to wear masks, that will encourage people to not wear the mask, because they have just been presented with a morality play.

    Kinda implies something about posting a study, about people acting on morality, when it comes to covid. Where to people such as my self, this study is wholly unremarkable, because that’s how humans work. I think based on this and the abrasive reaction to folks pointing out the obvious... I think the intent of posting it, was to continue your assertions that covid was something driven by the media. Much like your claim of Virtual Education Shock Doctrine was based on conspiracy about covid, that study had the same intent... try to pretend that reaction to covid is based on morality, driven by the liberal media... instead of morality of not wanting to kill people.

    What was significant about that covid study?
    Did you read what the study was about? It wasn't about whether covid itself had anything to do with morality, but how people perceive the risks of getting covid based on the morality of the action. People would assume the more moral action had less risk. One example would be if a person considered partying on a beach (frivolous, non-essential activity) riskier than going to a doctor's office even though it's well known that being indoors and around other sick people would actually be way riskier. It's showing that people aren't rational in their risk assessments and that needs to be understood in the messaging about covid transmission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nellise View Post
    Did you read what the study was about? It wasn't about whether covid itself had anything to do with morality, but how people perceive the risks of getting covid based on the morality of the action. People would assume the more moral action had less risk. One example would be if a person considered partying on a beach (frivolous, non-essential activity) riskier than going to a doctor's office even though it's well known that being indoors and around other sick people would actually be way riskier. It's showing that people aren't rational in their risk assessments and that needs to be understood in the messaging about covid transmission.
    Yes, I consider it unremarkable and am showing how unremarkable it is by relating it to covid. Since that’s the thread topic... You think churches that demanded to be open during covid, acted based on immorality?

    FYI: When you go to a doctor, at least in my experience... they measure your temperature at the door, then hand you a mask. They take every precaution possible, even when it’s in doors. It is safe to go to a doctor... don’t act like a doctor’s office, is just an enclosed space. Discouraging going to a doctor is kinda shit...

    Oh and just got my shot at Target... I know... morality of getting a shot, in a public space... how remarkable... :/

    No super powers yet... been over 2 hours... I think I got defective nano bots... my shoulder doesn’t even hurt...
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    https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nn...the-vaccinated

    A conspiracy ripping through the anti-vax world may finally drive some anti-maskers to do the unthinkable: wear a mask and keep their distance.

    The conspiracy—which comes in several shapes and sizes—more or less says the vaccinated will “shed” certain proteins onto the unvaccinated who will then suffer adverse effects. The main worry is the “shedding” will cause irregular menstruation, infertility, and miscarriages. The entirely baseless idea is a key cog in a larger conspiracy that COVID-19 was a ploy to depopulate the world, and the vaccine is what will cull the masses.

    Experts say the conspiracy is born from a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work. It has been widely debunked and you can read about it here, here, and here, among other places.

    Anti-vax influencers are instructing their fellow anti-vaxxers as well as anti-maskers (at this point the two communities overlap to a huge degree) that one of the best ways to defend themselves from this blight is to co-opt…social distancing, the very strategy they have long decried.

    Sherri Tenpenny, an anti-vaxxer who was found to be key in spreading COVID-19 conspiracy theories, suggested on a recent anti-vax livestream that you may have to “stay away from somebody who's had these shots…forever.”

    Another prominent anti-vaxxer suggested quarantining people who have been vaccinated. “There is something being passed from people who are shot up with this poison to others who have not gotten the shot,” said Larry Palevsky, a New York pediatrician and anti-vaxxer, on a separate livestream. They should also “have a badge on their arms that say ‘I've been vaccinated even though it's not a vaccine’ so that we know to avoid them on the street, to not go near them anywhere in society,” he said.

    It’s not just social distancing that anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers are begrudgingly accepting. Some conspiracy theorists are wondering if perhaps their longtime bane, the mask, could become their salvation. One perplexed poster on the fringe site 4chan asked their fellow anons if they should “wear a mask around the vaccinated, because they shed the mRNA stuff?”

    “I am going to be watching these vaccine shedding stories like a hawk,” wrote another man on Twitter. “Is my family going to need to wear masks to protect ourselves from the vaccinated?”

    While the conspiracy is baseless, the fear it is causing vaccine skeptics is very real. And where there is a fear, there’s money to be made.

    In a recent livestream appearance with a Canadian sovereign citizen, Judy Mikovits—one of the leading anti-vax celebrities and the key figure in the conspiracy film “Plandemic”—spoke in-depth about the conspiracy. Mikovits told a story about how she was kicked off a plane for wearing a colloidal silver mask—colloidal silver being a supplement long championed by the anti-vax and holistic crowd—to defend herself from airborne viruses.

    “Why do you think they pulled me off the plane with the silver mask?” said Mikovits. “Because I'm not going to get sick, folks. I'm not going to get sick.”

    The implication is these are the only masks that will work for not just viruses like COVID-19 but also the shedding. Thankfully, the masks are available from online holistic stores, of course.

    Drew, an anti-fascist researcher who first tweeted about Mikovits’ stance on masks, told VICE World News he doesn’t think the masks will catch on among the anti-maskers.

    "Rhetoric over the past year like ‘my body, my choice,’ ‘facts over fear,’ ‘take off the muzzle’ are going to look silly if they do (wear masks),” said Drew, who didn’t want his last name to be used out of fear of reprisals.

    Nevertheless, the conspiracy is picking up steam. Recently a private school in Miami went so far as to ban vaccinated teachers from interacting with unvaccinated students. In April, a Gold Shop in Kelowna, British Columbia, caused a stir when the owners put up a sign saying the vaccinated were banned from entering the store, citing worries about vaccine shedding. The store also had a sign that masking was not allowed and instructed customers to “lower their face diaper.”

    The community is still attempting to figure out how to deal with “vaccine shedding” so, to be clear, not every anti-masker is endorsing masking.

    “The mask won't save people from this, either. So if you're thinking you're just going to walk around with a mask on around your vaccinated friends and family members, it's the same as walking around with one for COVID,” said one woman during a YouTube roundup for anti-vaxxers who purported to be Canadian nurses. “It's going right through.”

    Natural News, an anti-vaccination conspiracy site that was banned from Facebook for spreading misinformation, is reporting hard on the shedding. In one article, a blogger wrote “a mask is useless to protect against spike protein transmission.”

    The website instead advises that the only thing that may save them is a “pine needle tea.”
    There is something delightful about this if true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karreck View Post
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/88nn...the-vaccinated



    There is something delightful about this if true.
    good maybe these people will stay in their homes..... if only we could cut off the internet to them too
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    good maybe these people will stay in their homes..... if only we could cut off the internet to them too
    ...something something... "5G towers!!!" ...something something... "internet signals carrying the plague!!!" ...something something...


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    ...something something... "5G towers!!!" ...something something... "internet signals carrying the plague!!!" ...something something...
    ohh now you're thinking.
    quick someone give me a link to Q.

    maybe post on infowars and fox?
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    irregular menstruation, infertility, and miscarriages
    Why the fuck does it seem like conspiracy theorists always have this shit on their minds? Demon sex causing infertility and shit.

    It's kinda hilarious that they're becoming an IRL version of the "how is babby formed" Yahoo Questions meme.

    I like...almost want to promote this, though? Just remind them that we're all vaccinated and that they should keep wearing masks and staying away because we could totes infect them with...whatever it is we're supposedly shedding. Seriously, stay the fuck inside bros, that's where it's safe!

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