1. #23261
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://newschannel9.com/news/local/...rkers-with-suv

    And crazy people in the US are driving through vaccine sites to "protest" the vaccine, almost running into and severely injuring/killing people including National Guard members.

    This is why I continue to say that the US isn't gonna be capable of fully beating covid. Too many dangerous idiots who will not only refuse to get vaccinated, but will actively try to prevent others from getting vaccinated because they don't respect personal choice and freedom.
    Yeah, and their is also the India experience where they now also have a black fungus issue, and at least one new variant that they are trying to keep from being called the India Mutation - though once they get more than one mutation, they will get their wish as they won't all be called the India Mutation. One report talked about as many as 3 separate India Mutations.

    So there is almost a guarantee that the virus throws the US at least one more curve. And I agree with you that we will find a way to maximize how deadly and how much damage these curves cause.

    OK MAYBE NOT QUITE MAXIMIZE.

  2. #23262
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://newschannel9.com/news/local/...rkers-with-suv

    And crazy people in the US are driving through vaccine sites to "protest" the vaccine, almost running into and severely injuring/killing people including National Guard members.

    This is why I continue to say that the US isn't gonna be capable of fully beating covid. Too many dangerous idiots who will not only refuse to get vaccinated, but will actively try to prevent others from getting vaccinated because they don't respect personal choice and freedom.
    It's Tennessee.

    Only 21k bail?

    Look at booking photo. Probably smoke a cartoon of menthol cigarette a week, eat McDonald and KFC on a daily basis, drink soft drink and Red Bull, and refused to get vaccinated because it might cause long term health issue. Tut tut tut tut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Yeah, and their is also the India experience where they now also have a black fungus issue, and at least one new variant that they are trying to keep from being called the India Mutation - though once they get more than one mutation, they will get their wish as they won't all be called the India Mutation. One report talked about as many as 3 separate India Mutations.

    So there is almost a guarantee that the virus throws the US at least one more curve. And I agree with you that we will find a way to maximize how deadly and how much damage these curves cause.

    OK MAYBE NOT QUITE MAXIMIZE.
    They'll be called India 1 and India 2 and India 3.

  3. #23263
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://newschannel9.com/news/local/...rkers-with-suv

    And crazy people in the US are driving through vaccine sites to "protest" the vaccine, almost running into and severely injuring/killing people including National Guard members.

    This is why I continue to say that the US isn't gonna be capable of fully beating covid. Too many dangerous idiots who will not only refuse to get vaccinated, but will actively try to prevent others from getting vaccinated because they don't respect personal choice and freedom.
    There were a few protesters where I was. They were targeting parents that were coming in with their children so they could get the vaccine. They were quickly handled by MPs, thou - I don’t believe protesting is allowed on bases.

    I’m now seeing these lawn signs that people are putting up, telling parents of vaccinated children that they should have their children taken away from them... something, something God wouldn’t approve of them being parents or some shit.

    Pretty sad.
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  4. #23264
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    something, something God wouldn’t approve of them being parents or some shit.
    That seems to be more of a metaphysical issue rather than a legal issue of child endangerment/abuse. Shouldn't they let the metaphysical sort out the metaphysical issues?

  5. #23265
    man all those deleted pages....what did i miss


    spent the morning listening to morons talk about the vaccine at work.

    Soon as i said, "what do you think the vaccine is capable of doing to you that is so bad", they had nothing.

    then i upped the stakes by saying "what happened to you in the last 40 years with the 20+ vaccinations that you got"


    at that point they walked away. I am sure they will be back at it later when i am not around.
    These people just want to spout nonsense to like minded people.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

  6. #23266
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    man all those deleted pages....what did i miss


    spent the morning listening to morons talk about the vaccine at work.

    Soon as i said, "what do you think the vaccine is capable of doing to you that is so bad", they had nothing.

    then i upped the stakes by saying "what happened to you in the last 40 years with the 20+ vaccinations that you got"


    at that point they walked away. I am sure they will be back at it later when i am not around.
    These people just want to spout nonsense to like minded people.
    Most arguments here go back to the anthrax vaccine that was forced on soldiers. I guess it had a lot of side effects.
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  7. #23267
    Seems that some scientist now believe that they have found the solution for blood clots from vector-vaccines like AstraZeneca, Janssen (or J&J), and Sputnik V; and even a possible solution. Basically the DNA of the vaccine is split and some of the split parts cause the reaction - so just change the vaccine to avoid parts that when split cause the problem!
    https://www.ft.com/content/f76eb802-...6-b250115d0577
    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

    However, even if the solution may seem simple I would assume the vaccine variants would still need to be developed, tested, and manufactured, which will likely take months - and thus be largely irrelevant for the developed world. For the developing world it might be relevant - but then we likely have a situation where we need yearly booster shots, and those vaccines aren't suitable for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    They'll be called India 1 and India 2 and India 3.
    Alternatively they could do as in the uk and name them after regions (the uk variant is called "Kent" variant in the uk, making room for a number of uk-variants), so we have Pune, Pradesh, Punjab, Arunachal Pradesh, and Andhra Pradesh variants.

    I don't know what we will do when the uk develops a variant of the Indian variant; call it imported curry? :-)

  8. #23268
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Seems that some scientist now believe that they have found the solution for blood clots from vector-vaccines like AstraZeneca, Janssen (or J&J), and Sputnik V; and even a possible solution. Basically the DNA of the vaccine is split and some of the split parts cause the reaction - so just change the vaccine to avoid parts that when split cause the problem!
    https://www.ft.com/content/f76eb802-...6-b250115d0577
    https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

    However, even if the solution may seem simple I would assume the vaccine variants would still need to be developed, tested, and manufactured, which will likely take months - and thus be largely irrelevant for the developed world. For the developing world it might be relevant - but then we likely have a situation where we need yearly booster shots, and those vaccines aren't suitable for that.

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    Alternatively they could do as in the uk and name them after regions (the uk variant is called "Kent" variant in the uk, making room for a number of uk-variants), so we have Pune, Pradesh, Punjab, Arunachal Pradesh, and Andhra Pradesh variants.

    I don't know what we will do when the uk develops a variant of the Indian variant; call it imported curry? :-)
    I thought curry was entirely a British invention. Just like Chicken Tikka Masala was created by a Bangladeshi chef in Glasgow.
    Last edited by Rasulis; 2021-05-27 at 04:57 AM.

  9. #23269
    Quote Originally Posted by Rasulis View Post
    I thought curry was entirely a British invention. Just like Chicken Tikka Masala was created by a Bangladeshi chef in Glasgow.
    curry powder is. its basically an attempt by british to replicate indian flavors. but curry as a term in general is bastardization of several possible words and dishes primarily by the British... so in a way the term would fit, no need to even add imported.

  10. #23270
    California to offer $116M in coronavirus vaccine prize money

    California isn’t the first state to offer vaccine prizes, though its pot of money is the largest, and so is the most valuable single prize: $1.5 million.

    The state's reopening is pegged for June 15, and on that day a drawing will be held to award 10 vaccinated people the top prize.

    Another 30 people will win $50,000 each, with those drawings taking place June 4 and June 11.

    Anyone 12 and older who has received at least one shot will be eligible, regardless of immigration status, Newsom said. Exceptions include those who are incarcerated, non-California residents and other "categories," such as individuals who work for the state lottery.

    People who have received at least one shot are already in the registry for the drawing, he added.

    "If you're disappointed on June 4, you didn't win $50,000, you got June 11, your name will automatically be in that pool, and then again on June 15," Newsom said.

    The next 2 million people who get vaccinated will get $50 digital gift cards, effective Thursday. Individuals will receive them either through email or text message after their one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine or second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

    Newsom said more ideas are coming after June 15, but did not share additional details.

    "These are real incentives, these are opportunities to say thank you to those not only seeking to get vaccinated as we move forward, but also those who have been vaccinated," Newsom said.


    Better odds than the lottery.

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    Rock concert selling tickets for $18 if you're vaccinated – $1,000 if you're not

    That's one way to get around DeSantis prohibition against denying access to unvaccinated people.

  11. #23271
    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Looks like accidental lab leak theory is now being considered a likely scenario. Its really scary how an engineered more lethal and contagious virus which already exist in the not so well protected labs around the world can be used by very few people to create an apocalypse, since so many countries in the world are so not ready for such an attack.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...eory-1.6042038

    Some talk on possibility of engineering such attacks:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaRfbJE1qZ4
    Not "likely", but it's being investigated. There's no direct evidence backing it yet.

    Also, there's no evidence to suggest it was intentionally released or created with this specific goal in mind.

  12. #23272
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Also, there's no evidence to suggest it was intentionally released or created with this specific goal in mind.
    I wouldn’t be surprised, tbh. All it takes is for one person with access to have a Thanos moment... and here we are.
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  13. #23273
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    I wouldn’t be surprised, tbh. All it takes is for one person with access to have a Thanos moment... and here we are.
    It's possible, but absent evidence it's just an unfounded theory. We've seen similar outbreaks in natural conditions before, so while it's not ruled out it's also not super likely.

    But because it's being considered as part of the ongoing investigations into the origin is getting folks all hot and bothered about it.

  14. #23274
    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Looks like accidental lab leak theory is now being considered a likely scenario. Its really scary how an engineered more lethal and contagious virus which already exist in the not so well protected labs around the world can be used by very few people to create an apocalypse, since so many countries in the world are so not ready for such an attack.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid...eory-1.6042038
    There are several variants of the lab leak:
    • The lab got hold of a natural virus and accidentally released it.
    • The lab experimented with the virus to make it more lethal and contagious and accidentally released it.
    • The lab experimented with the virus to make it more lethal and contagious and deliberately released it.
    People are only seriously considering the first option, since the virus doesn't show the signs of being engineered (none of usual scaffolding) and already last year people noted that the virus seemed sub-optimal from the virus point-of-view, and the newer variants show that it would be possible to make a more lethal and contagious virus.

    The first variant also means that even if the lab is involved it might be not have been a leak from within the actual "lab", as it might have been that the people who collected the wild animals with rare diseases might have been infected on the way to the lab, and then spread it, and in that case it might be that they only caused the pandemic to start a bit earlier.
    When searching I found that NY Post is also going with that story, https://nypost.com/2021/05/28/scient...y-bats-report/ , - which unfortunately makes it less credible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Not "likely", but it's being investigated. There's no direct evidence backing it yet.

    Also, there's no evidence to suggest it was intentionally released or created with this specific goal in mind.
    There's no basis for saying it's more or less likely than the other explanations. There's currently no "direct" evidence of any theory whatsoever.
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  16. #23276
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    There's no basis for saying it's more or less likely than the other explanations. There's currently no "direct" evidence of any theory whatsoever.
    Ah yes, the good old "History only matters selectively when it agrees with my opinion" argument. It's still as boring now as it's been for the years you've hypocritically spewed this garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Ah yes, the good old "History only matters selectively when it agrees with my opinion" argument. It's still as boring now as it's been for the years you've hypocritically spewed this garbage.
    If it's boring then the truth is boring. Historical information never justifies a theory because only *explanations* justify a theory.
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  18. #23278
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    If it's boring then the truth is boring.
    No, just your hypocrisy is boring.

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    Historical information never justifies a theory because only *explanations* justify a theory.
    History is used as the basis for our view of the future and present. All types of history. Put your hand on a hot stove and get burned? You can think back to your history of putting your hand on a hot stove and being burned the next time you think about touching a hot stove. Contagious virus from a region causes a pandemic? Look to the other contagious viruses originating from that region to see if it's something that has occurred naturally before and if reoccurrence is reasonable, or if there's a more nefarious reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    No, just your hypocrisy is boring.

    History is used as the basis for our view of the future and present. All types of history. Put your hand on a hot stove and get burned? You can think back to your history of putting your hand on a hot stove and being burned the next time you think about touching a hot stove. Contagious virus from a region causes a pandemic? Look to the other contagious viruses originating from that region to see if it's something that has occurred naturally before and if reoccurrence is reasonable, or if there's a more nefarious reason.
    Again no, you should not project events into the future but instead you should explain them. If you cannot answer the why and how questions then that means you don't truly understand the phenomena. In the case of Covid we have many proposed explanations but no direct evidence for any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    Again no, you should not project events into the future but instead you should explain them. If you cannot answer the why and how questions then that means you don't truly understand the phenomena. In the case of Covid we have many proposed explanations but no direct evidence for any of them.
    You and your past statements really indicate that you have no clue how the scientific method actually works, as you'll selectively ignore observed phenomena simply because it doesn't fit your desired understanding.

    I just will never understand why people choose to be this willfully ignorant.


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