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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    But there was always an almost zero chance that COVID could ever be eradicated to the level of smallpox and polio. There are plenty of breakthrough cases even now, especially with delta. That being said, the chance for serious illness is extremely low for subsequent reinfections, so once it's had a chance to infect almost everyone at least once, it will probably fade back into the background like the other 4 coronaviruses that cause "the common cold" each year.

    So no, it's not going to continue to cause the same amount of death going forward, once SARS-CoV-2 is no longer "novel".
    Precisely.

    So vaccine who you can, then let it tear through the idiots that don't want the vaccine, accept the losses and let normal life continue.

    Curious: everyone was yapping over the UK being irresponsible in dropping all restrictions, why are numbers already falling over there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Asthmatic since the 1980s.
    i work in a warehouse for the last 8+ years
    90-110 in the warehouse. its actually worse on my asthma during the winter.
    physical job.

    No problems outside of my normal flop sweat.

    Sometimes i have to do a little puff puff but then again i always had to before the mask as well.
    Well, congrats. You're fitter than I am.
    Want a cookie?
    Oh wait, not good for your physique....

    *demonstratively eats cookie in front of you*
    OMNOMNOM!:<

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    if you are vaccianted you should be fine from the virus' harm. the only ones who could get hurt are those non vaccinated, who you all seem to loath anyways.
    You probably can't imagine someone feeling like this but let me tell you even though I think people who don't want to be vaccinated are idiots I still don't want them to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post


    Well, congrats. You're fitter than I am.
    Want a cookie?
    Oh wait, not good for your physique....

    *demonstratively eats cookie in front of you*
    OMNOMNOM!:<
    IF you saw me you would not be saying that.
    I am a mess.


    I was adding my anecdotal example to add to your anecdotal example. Can't expect people not to respond in kind?



    I actually just had 4 cookies, stripped chocolate ones.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Precisely.

    So vaccine who you can, then let it tear through the idiots that don't want the vaccine, accept the losses and let normal life continue.
    No, that's not at all what I said, sorry.


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    and genius is that genius has its limits."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    IF you saw me you would not be saying that.
    I am a mess.


    I was adding my anecdotal example to add to your anecdotal example. Can't expect people not to respond in kind?



    I actually just had 4 cookies, stripped chocolate ones.
    For me it's dark chocolate (92-95%), and walnuts / almonds / cashews, with a smattering of dried fruit.

    I eat healthy, so I am gaining weight slowly rather than quickly. I'm still on the fit side though (but going in the wrong direction). And I still do 10k steps a day 3-4 days out of the week.

    Overall, not bad considering the circumstances we find ourselves in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's nice, smallpox and polio would say hello but they both got eradicated by vaccination.

    Zzzz. This is lazy as hell. Just get the fucking shot and stop annoying everyone else.
    Sadly anti-vaxxers refuse to admit smallpox and polio are gone due to vaccines. They try and spin a whole lot of other reasons, such as it just dying out (after being around to thousands of years), to increased standards fo health and cleanliness (and that one is debatable given some older civilisations had very high standards of hygiene, probably even more so than a lot of people today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    No, that's not at all what I said, sorry.
    No but apparently it's the conclusion the U.K. has drawn and personally, I agree with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    I actually just had 4 cookies, stripped chocolate ones.
    *chuckles*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post

    Curious: everyone was yapping over the UK being irresponsible in dropping all restrictions, why are numbers already falling over there?
    footballs finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Curious: everyone was yapping over the UK being irresponsible in dropping all restrictions, why are numbers already falling over there?
    The obvious question is why numbers are falling.

    The possible explanation would be:
    • It's some form of herd immunity - but the new number of infected is simply too small.
    • Declining number of tests - possible, but I cannot confirm it on https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
    • People are actually taking precautions on their own initiative. Very doubtful
    • The pingdemic is working, possibly also indirectly: the direct idea is that A infects B and B met C, D, E then C, D, and E self-isolate so that they don't spread that infection, but indirectly it also means that F who was infected somewhere else cannot meet C, D, E. Seems too complicated, and those rules are also changing so if that is the explanation it will be short-lived https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57894392
    • Or simply:
      Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
      footballs finished.
    BTW: It's only number of cases declining so far, deaths still seem to be increasing (but it is lagging) - I couldn't find new statistics for hospital admissions yet.
    There are reports that people are told to not get to hospitals, but that is 'cause they are flooded with water: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57965298

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    Quote Originally Posted by JarJarBinks View Post
    i have a free will and healthy life

    edit to you all, if im full of shit and a troll why bother responding? did i strike some kind of nerve? does the underlying, subconsious truth sting?
    Nothing you have said was the truth. You are just trying to get the fucking virus to spread, and mutate, to make the vaccines fucking useless. If we get them vaccinated now, we will have less variants that are less deadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    BTW: It's only number of cases declining so far, deaths still seem to be increasing (but it is lagging) - I couldn't find new statistics for hospital admissions yet.
    Obviously, deaths lag behind roughly a month.
    It'll be interesting to see if the trend holds or whether we get a massive surge in 1-2 weeks.

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    https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-g...-1612933?amp=1

    Death Cultist who got the virus once, refuses to get the vaccine, gets the virus a second time. Blames the Chinese because he's too fucking retarded to get a tested and safe vaccine.

    We've got people in hospital ICU's with the virus struggling to breathe still denying that it's a deadly virus and still angrily asserting that they'll never get vaxxed. We may have to live with this as a perpetually mutating virus in a permanent state of semi-lockdowns because people believe bullshit lies and can't think of anyone outside of themselves. And they're the very people upset that we have mask mandates and lockdowns that could be avoided moving forward if they just got the fuckin vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.newsweek.com/louisiana-g...-1612933?amp=1

    Death Cultist who got the virus once, refuses to get the vaccine, gets the virus a second time. Blames the Chinese because he's too fucking retarded to get a tested and safe vaccine.

    We've got people in hospital ICU's with the virus struggling to breathe still denying that it's a deadly virus and still angrily asserting that they'll never get vaxxed. We may have to live with this as a perpetually mutating virus in a permanent state of semi-lockdowns because people believe bullshit lies and can't think of anyone outside of themselves. And they're the very people upset that we have mask mandates and lockdowns that could be avoided moving forward if they just got the fuckin vaccine.
    To be fair covid needs to be tackled globally, unfortunately some nations are too poor to get enough vaccine and other nations simply have too many deranged anti vaxxers, so it will never go away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    To be fair covid needs to be tackled globally, unfortunately some nations are too poor to get enough vaccine and other nations simply have too many deranged anti vaxxers, so it will never go away.
    Vaccines are going to poorer nations, thankfully. They really need to both for humanitarian reasons and for simple economic reasons - those nations may be small/poor but many are important to global supply chains or as markets for goods and services. It's literally in the interest of first world nations to share vaccines globally, even before their whole population is vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Vaccines are going to poorer nations, thankfully. They really need to both for humanitarian reasons and for simple economic reasons - those nations may be small/poor but many are important to global supply chains or as markets for goods and services. It's literally in the interest of first world nations to share vaccines globally, even before their whole population is vaccinated.
    They still don't get enough, every last person on this planet needs to be vaccinated at least once a year, for several years in a row, if we even want to hope to get this under control, but even then chances are, we are going to get a mutated strain capable of bypassing immunity.

    I'd say humanity has already fucked up, covid is here to stay.

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    Not a vaccine but a treatment to Covid-19

    In portuguese
    https://24.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigo...tar-a-covid-19

    Google translated
    A Japanese company has started clinical trials of a pill to treat covid-19, joining Pfizer and Germany's Merck in the race to find a drug for the disease.

    Shionogi announced that it has started clinical trials of a drug designed to neutralize the new coronavirus in less than a week, according to The Wall Street Journal (WSJ).

    Known for the drug Crestor for cholesterol, the Japanese drugmaker emphasizes that it is still testing the drug and the side effects that arise from the trials that began this month — and that will probably continue until next year.

    "Our goal is a safe oral compound," revealed Isao Teshirogi, chief executive of Shionogi, who added that the intention is to create a pill capable of neutralizing the virus five days after a patient takes it.

    The Japanese is, however, behind in relation to Pfizer and Merck, which are already at a more advanced stage in this type of tests on tablets. Pfizer, for example, began in March in the United States an early-stage trial of an oral antiviral therapy against covid-19. According to the pharmacist, the drug is to be prescribed to patients at the first sign of infection.

    Shionogi hopes to have 50 to 100 healthy subjects in its trial in Japan, but the company believes that a larger trial, with more patients receiving placebo, could take place later this year.

    According to the WSJ, the failure rate of drug trials is generally high. Any side effect, even if it's not particularly serious, such as nausea, could make a covid-19 pill not viable for home use — the primary intent of these trials.

    Both Pfizer and Shionogi tablets are protease inhibitors that stop the virus from replicating in the infected patient's cells. These inhibitors have been effective in the treatment of other viral pathogens, such as the HIV virus or the hepatitis C virus, either alone or in combination with other antivirals.

    However, unlike vaccines, the rapid development of specific drugs to treat covid-19 does not look so promising, which leads the European Medicines Agency to focus on six drugs based on antivirals and antibodies.

    For now, the European regulator only approved, in June 2020, the antiviral remdesivir for the treatment of covid-19 in adults and adolescents from 12 years of age and with pneumonia, who require supplemental oxygen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    Not a vaccine but a treatment to Covid-19

    In portuguese
    https://24.sapo.pt/atualidade/artigo...tar-a-covid-19

    Google translated
    It may work - and it would be good if it did, but it is only phase I so even if it works it will take a bit of time.

    However, Shionogi has a disappointing track-record against covid-19 so far (possibly over-hyping their pipe-line) - about a year ago they claimed to be ready to ramp up production of their vaccine (subunit) https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Pha...for-30m-people (and they have now quadrupled down on it) It is not yet in phase III trial as far as I can see, and I don't see that it will be tested and approved this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    They still don't get enough, every last person on this planet needs to be vaccinated at least once a year, for several years in a row, if we even want to hope to get this under control, but even then chances are, we are going to get a mutated strain capable of bypassing immunity.
    And yearly vaccines in developing countries seems like a no-starter, as the mRNA seem to costly (the cold storage part seem more or less solved though) and the viral vector ones don't seem suitable for repeated vaccinations, and no other vaccines seem as efficient.

    Yearly vaccinations may also be for the rulers, as they usually seem to have a high risk of serious covid-19 due to risk-factors.

    As an example in the DRC parliament already in May 5% of the members (32 persons) had died to covid-19, https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/afr...ent/ar-AAKtMDj
    The official total death count in DRC is 1,023.

    Quote Originally Posted by Combatbulter View Post
    I'd say humanity has already fucked up, covid is here to stay.
    Yup.

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    All Kimberly Cooley wants to do is hug her 6-year-old nephews – and she can’t because tens of millions of Americans are choosing not to get vaccinated against Covid-19.

    Cooley received two doses of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine in February, but blood tests show the shots didn’t give her antibodies against the virus.

    That’s because, like millions of Americans, Cooley takes medications to suppress her immune system. A study to be published Monday by Johns Hopkins researchers found that vaccinated immunocompromised people like her are 485 times more likely to end up in the hospital or die from Covid-19 compared to the general population that is vaccinated.
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/26/healt...nts/index.html

    Get. The. Jab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    It may work - and it would be good if it did, but it is only phase I so even if it works it will take a bit of time.

    However, Shionogi has a disappointing track-record against covid-19 so far (possibly over-hyping their pipe-line) - about a year ago they claimed to be ready to ramp up production of their vaccine (subunit) https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Pha...for-30m-people (and they have now quadrupled down on it) It is not yet in phase III trial as far as I can see, and I don't see that it will be tested and approved this year.
    Read the article, other pharmaceuticals, and that includes Pfizer are on the track.

    This med uses the principle used by some other antivirals. Controlling the way the virus reproduces and diminishing the viral charge means the virus will be under control. Acciclovir uses the same principle for Herpes and varicella. Acciclovir is not hable to kill the virus, but in the case of covid-19 the virus will disapear after a couple of weeks.


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    Doctors Worry That Memory Problems After COVID-19 May Set The Stage For Alzheimer's
    What scientists have found so far is concerning.

    For example, PET scans taken before and after a person develops COVID-19 suggest that the infection can cause changes that overlap those seen in Alzheimer's. And genetic studies are finding that some of the same genes that increase a person's risk for getting severe COVID-19 also increase the risk of developing Alzheimer's.

    Alzheimer's diagnoses also appear to be more common in patients in their 60s and 70s who have had severe COVID-19, says Dr. Gabriel de Erausquin, a professor of neurology at UT Health San Antonio. "It's downright scary," he says.

    And de Erausquin and his colleagues have noticed that mental problems seem to be more common in COVID-19 patients who lose their sense of smell, perhaps because the disease has affected a brain area called the olfactory bulb.

    "Persistent lack of smell, it's associated with brain changes not just in the olfactory bulb but those places that are connected one way or another to the smell sense," he says.

    Those places include areas involved in memory, thinking, planning and mood.

    COVID-19's effects on the brain also seem to vary with age, de Erausquin says. People in their 30s seem more likely to develop anxiety and depression.

    "In older people, people over 60, the foremost manifestation is forgetfulness," he says. "These folks tend to forget where they placed things, they tend to forget names, they tend to forget phone numbers. They also have trouble with language; they begin forgetting words."

    The symptoms are similar to those of early Alzheimer's, and doctors sometimes describe these patients as having an Alzheimer's-like syndrome that can persist for many months.


    Hopefully Covid virus does not behave like HPV virus, and 10 years from now we won't see a surge early onset of Alzheimer patients. Considering the number of people that had serious case of Covid infection, the number will be devastating.

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