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    Quote Originally Posted by unfilteredJW View Post
    Your only point is at the top of your head.
    well that was rude and uncalled for. but then again, you are unfiltered.

  2. #24442
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Are we really in the realm of linking 11 year old videos and saying it shows this entire thing was planned? Good grief.
    It's also totally misunderstanding what Bill Gates envisioned (although Mr. Gates could have been clearer).

    There are a number of studies indicating that reducing child mortality reduces the need for families to have so many children, and child vaccinations is one way of reducing child mortality. It's not that the vaccines directly reduce fertility, but that they reduce mortality and that counter-intuitively reduce population growth in the long run (even more so if reproductive choices are readily available).

  3. #24443
    Guys, why waste your time with a 13 year old troll.
    He's starving for attention and there are so many clues to his age and maturity levels in his posts. You're just giving him what he wants.
    It's like trying to have a productive convo with MTG.

    Let him think space lasers cause forest fires and microchips in our vaccines broadcast deep state propaganda to our brains for control.

    Darwinism will prevail.


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    Your boy Tuck.

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  4. #24444
    Quote Originally Posted by JarJarBinks View Post
    read up about danish football player christian eriksen. that is a possibility
    I did.

    Christian Eriksen wasn't vaccinated.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ne/7713275002/
    https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sp...ns-2021-06-13/

  5. #24445
    This posting is not political, just observation of how things are now where I am.

    In the US, at least in the Midwest, masks have all but disappeared. I see about 5% or less here in this city of 140K. I spent the last couple days traveling across the middle of the US, and at small tourist towns out here, again, I saw maybe 5% or less wearing masks.

    The state authorities are not going to mandate masks anymore, I think. People will self-select, and some will pay the price for it.

    In the end, nature will bring it all into line. You can get immune by vaccination or natural immunity from having had Covid, or get dead.

    That's the bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agm114r View Post
    In the end, nature will bring it all into line.
    Neither smallpox nor polio were eradicated by herd immunity, bruh.

    If by "nature will bring it into line" you mean "Americans are just going to normalize dying to COVID the same way they've normalized getting shot at school", then that's more accurate.
    Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

    Quote Originally Posted by Specialka View Post
    so ? Teacher is about teaching, not education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Neither smallpox nor polio were eradicated by herd immunity, bruh.
    No one is discussing herd imunity for covid either. Vaccines don't stop infections, and if you still thinking in the famous 70% for herd imunity, well, that was the calculation for the original sars-cov-2, since then he mutated and the herd imunity target is almost at 100%, something impossible to hit.


  8. #24448
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Neither smallpox nor polio were eradicated by herd immunity, bruh.
    They also don't mutate nearly as much as other viruses so vaccines work exceptionally well against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Neither smallpox nor polio were eradicated by herd immunity, bruh.
    Why do people keep ignoring the fact that vaccines are a part of herd immunity? And yes, smallpox and polio were "eradicated" by herd immunity induced by vaccine. ("Eradicated" is in quotes because, while smallpox has been officially eradicated, polio is only suppressed to the near-level of eradication.)

    But there was always an almost zero chance that COVID could ever be eradicated to the level of smallpox and polio. There are plenty of breakthrough cases even now, especially with delta. That being said, the chance for serious illness is extremely low for subsequent reinfections, so once it's had a chance to infect almost everyone at least once, it will probably fade back into the background like the other 4 coronaviruses that cause "the common cold" each year.

    So no, it's not going to continue to cause the same amount of death going forward, once SARS-CoV-2 is no longer "novel".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tuor View Post
    No one is discussing herd imunity for covid either. Vaccines don't stop infections, and if you still thinking in the famous 70% for herd imunity, well, that was the calculation for the original sars-cov-2, since then he mutated and the herd imunity target is almost at 100%, something impossible to hit.
    It can't really get that close to 100%. It's more like 88% now, with delta. But that number is pretty impossible to reach, now, considering that the vaccine effectiveness against delta is around there in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    But there was always an almost zero chance that COVID could ever be eradicated to the level of smallpox and polio. There are plenty of breakthrough cases even now, especially with delta.
    Covid can also effectively spread to animals and back (in contrast to smallpox and polio) - which reduces it from almost zero to zero.

  11. #24451
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Naah, commercially made masks are pretty transmissible. Even I, as an asthmatic, do not have problems in the O² regard, as long as I do not exert myself and sit still (e.g.: in the bus) or walk slowly when at the Bus stop.
    So I would wager, that a healthy person could do it.

    I certainly would not be able to do any physical work in them, though. Not a chance. Though not much more of a chance w/o one either lol.
    Asthmatic since the 1980s.
    i work in a warehouse for the last 8+ years
    90-110 in the warehouse. its actually worse on my asthma during the winter.
    physical job.

    No problems outside of my normal flop sweat.

    Sometimes i have to do a little puff puff but then again i always had to before the mask as well.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    But there was always an almost zero chance that COVID could ever be eradicated to the level of smallpox and polio. There are plenty of breakthrough cases even now, especially with delta. That being said, the chance for serious illness is extremely low for subsequent reinfections, so once it's had a chance to infect almost everyone at least once, it will probably fade back into the background like the other 4 coronaviruses that cause "the common cold" each year.

    So no, it's not going to continue to cause the same amount of death going forward, once SARS-CoV-2 is no longer "novel".
    Precisely.

    So vaccine who you can, then let it tear through the idiots that don't want the vaccine, accept the losses and let normal life continue.

    Curious: everyone was yapping over the UK being irresponsible in dropping all restrictions, why are numbers already falling over there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    Asthmatic since the 1980s.
    i work in a warehouse for the last 8+ years
    90-110 in the warehouse. its actually worse on my asthma during the winter.
    physical job.

    No problems outside of my normal flop sweat.

    Sometimes i have to do a little puff puff but then again i always had to before the mask as well.
    Well, congrats. You're fitter than I am.
    Want a cookie?
    Oh wait, not good for your physique....

    *demonstratively eats cookie in front of you*
    OMNOMNOM!:<

  13. #24453
    if you are vaccianted you should be fine from the virus' harm. the only ones who could get hurt are those non vaccinated, who you all seem to loath anyways.
    You probably can't imagine someone feeling like this but let me tell you even though I think people who don't want to be vaccinated are idiots I still don't want them to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post


    Well, congrats. You're fitter than I am.
    Want a cookie?
    Oh wait, not good for your physique....

    *demonstratively eats cookie in front of you*
    OMNOMNOM!:<
    IF you saw me you would not be saying that.
    I am a mess.


    I was adding my anecdotal example to add to your anecdotal example. Can't expect people not to respond in kind?



    I actually just had 4 cookies, stripped chocolate ones.
    Buh Byeeeeeeeeeeee !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Precisely.

    So vaccine who you can, then let it tear through the idiots that don't want the vaccine, accept the losses and let normal life continue.
    No, that's not at all what I said, sorry.


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  16. #24456
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    IF you saw me you would not be saying that.
    I am a mess.


    I was adding my anecdotal example to add to your anecdotal example. Can't expect people not to respond in kind?



    I actually just had 4 cookies, stripped chocolate ones.
    For me it's dark chocolate (92-95%), and walnuts / almonds / cashews, with a smattering of dried fruit.

    I eat healthy, so I am gaining weight slowly rather than quickly. I'm still on the fit side though (but going in the wrong direction). And I still do 10k steps a day 3-4 days out of the week.

    Overall, not bad considering the circumstances we find ourselves in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    That's nice, smallpox and polio would say hello but they both got eradicated by vaccination.

    Zzzz. This is lazy as hell. Just get the fucking shot and stop annoying everyone else.
    Sadly anti-vaxxers refuse to admit smallpox and polio are gone due to vaccines. They try and spin a whole lot of other reasons, such as it just dying out (after being around to thousands of years), to increased standards fo health and cleanliness (and that one is debatable given some older civilisations had very high standards of hygiene, probably even more so than a lot of people today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    No, that's not at all what I said, sorry.
    No but apparently it's the conclusion the U.K. has drawn and personally, I agree with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    I actually just had 4 cookies, stripped chocolate ones.
    *chuckles*

  19. #24459
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post

    Curious: everyone was yapping over the UK being irresponsible in dropping all restrictions, why are numbers already falling over there?
    footballs finished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Curious: everyone was yapping over the UK being irresponsible in dropping all restrictions, why are numbers already falling over there?
    The obvious question is why numbers are falling.

    The possible explanation would be:
    • It's some form of herd immunity - but the new number of infected is simply too small.
    • Declining number of tests - possible, but I cannot confirm it on https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing
    • People are actually taking precautions on their own initiative. Very doubtful
    • The pingdemic is working, possibly also indirectly: the direct idea is that A infects B and B met C, D, E then C, D, and E self-isolate so that they don't spread that infection, but indirectly it also means that F who was infected somewhere else cannot meet C, D, E. Seems too complicated, and those rules are also changing so if that is the explanation it will be short-lived https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57894392
    • Or simply:
      Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
      footballs finished.
    BTW: It's only number of cases declining so far, deaths still seem to be increasing (but it is lagging) - I couldn't find new statistics for hospital admissions yet.
    There are reports that people are told to not get to hospitals, but that is 'cause they are flooded with water: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57965298

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