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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cd...ies/ar-AAMInaF

    CDC now says 70% of US counties need to be masked up. Most of the country. I don't know how to express the words I have for the CDC right now but they are the range of disappointment, obviously, and 'you're not without blame' when it comes to people not wanting to mask back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cd...ies/ar-AAMInaF

    CDC now says 70% of US counties need to be masked up. Most of the country. I don't know how to express the words I have for the CDC right now but they are the range of disappointment, obviously, and 'you're not without blame' when it comes to people not wanting to mask back up.
    The worst part is the same people making us mask back up won’t be doing it. They’ll be getting arrested, getting covid, and packing our hospitals. Some areas are already getting creative with morgue solutions because delta is no joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Why would you assume everyone will get Covid? This is not our first vaccination. Has everyone had smallpox? Polio?
    Because you have a stealthy virus that's now even more contagious in an environment where people resist, fatigued, or reluctant to return to precautions.

    A vaccinated person can easily spread it without even knowing they have it. It's so contagious that being unvaccinated means you will probably get it. In the past 48 hours I know of a handful of I guess you could call acquaintes who are 'breakthrough' cases. At no fault of their own they've probably spread it to some unvaccinated people (who should be vaccinated) before realizing they were carriers. Word of mouth is that it's running through daycare around here, some people with kids are anxious.

    Even if you develop systems as a vaccinated person you might just think it's season allergies because symptoms for a vaccinated person are similar.
    Last edited by PACOX; 2021-07-30 at 11:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Why would you assume everyone will get Covid? This is not our first vaccination. Has everyone had smallpox? Polio?
    You can't hide from it. You can get immune from the jab or Covid itself. Yes, real immunity can work just as well, but what you *can't* do is run around thinking you can go w/o vaccination AND not get Covid. The chances of that are practically nil, as people are finding out.

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    And in Louisiana, cases in children are soaring.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/ba...rge/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    And in Louisiana, cases in children are soaring.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/ba...rge/index.html
    This is why I think the Delta variant is steadily getting stronger. This was not happening before. And the advice?

    Dr. Trey Dunbar, president of Our Lady of the Lake Children's Hospital, said the spike in Covid-19 cases right now is twice what they saw in the pandemic's initial surge last year.
    The children's hospital treats children as young as 4 weeks up to 17 years, she said.
    The hospital is currently treating seven Covid-19 patients, but Dunbar said they've had anywhere from eight to 12 patients per day. The hospital is up to about six admissions per day with about 50% of those patients going to the ICU, Dunbar said.
    For keeping kids safe at school, Dunbar said students 12-years-old and older should get vaccinated. For students who are ineligible for the vaccine, Dunbar said the answer is masking and social distancing.
    should???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masark View Post
    And in Louisiana, cases in children are soaring.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/us/ba...rge/index.html
    That could be partly due to "imunnity debt" In New Zealand and Australia I believe also, they are having a lot of trouble with RSV

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-immunity-debt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Why would you assume everyone will get Covid? This is not our first vaccination. Has everyone had smallpox? Polio?
    I'm sorry, it was late and I was tired. Brain was wonky and wording was imprecise:

    Everyone's immune system gets the information about SARS-CoV 2, some via vaccine, some via natural infection.
    Was what I meant in that statement.

    Though it's yet to be determined how effectively Delta and later variants can infect people that are vaccinated.

    It might be that we will get it regularly like the common cold. Upside of that would be that there is no need for booster shots, because the virus provides them by itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Vaccines are only there to accelerate the process until every one of us has had Covid. Either vaccinated or not.
    Then the virus is known to our immune systems and no longer poses a healthcare system crashing threat.
    If your country has a healthcare worth a damn, that is.

    It doesn't matter how many cases there are, it doesn't matter how fast it spreads, if the probability of ending up in the ICU is negligible.
    Reduced severity in infection is only really documented after vaccination, not from prior infections. I know several people who had it twice, had it worse the second time. I don’t think the data is there to suggest catching it without vaccination, whether you’ve had it before or not, is a good thing.

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    The communication and messaging coming from the CDC has been abysmal. In its latest display of incompetence, the CDC released the new mask guidelines, but inexplicably sat on the data it was using to inform those guidelines and didn't release the data until it "leaked" yesterday. This gave the anti-vax and anti-mask nutters time and ammunition.

    Rochelle Walensky has been CDC director for 6 months now and in that time she shown herself to be completely in over her head. She may be a very good doctor/scientist, but she has proven that she has absolutely no fucking clue what she is doing as director of the CDC.

    She needs to either resign or be fired immediately. Every day she continues in her position, it is literally costing people their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cd...ies/ar-AAMInaF

    CDC now says 70% of US counties need to be masked up. Most of the country. I don't know how to express the words I have for the CDC right now but they are the range of disappointment, obviously, and 'you're not without blame' when it comes to people not wanting to mask back up.
    We’re back to a mandated mask policy where I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    We’re back to a mandated mask policy where I am.
    Anyone who has been paying attention could have predicted this. I’ve been masking non-stop because I saw no reason to drop my guard until we reached herd immunity and cases really dropped off. Sadly that is starting to look impossible. So, the morons who hate masks and vaccines are forcing us to perpetually wear masks because they won’t take a vaccine.

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    I fear how far a 2nd lockdown (which i think is coming in the US) will divide people and states. The media here is doing a shitty job with things, one story is about things opening up, saying people should go out to events, concerts, sporting events, or festivals.. then the next story is about the spread of the COVID variant and how numbers are skyrocketing. It's a total mixed message. Now let's add in a possible 100.00 a month/week/whatever bonus might happen so anyone on the fence for a vaccination is likely waiting to see if they will get paid to get the vaccine vs just getting it now.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuafpr View Post
    I fear how far a 2nd lockdown (which i think is coming in the US) will divide people and states. The media here is doing a shitty job with things, one story is about things opening up, saying people should go out to events, concerts, sporting events, or festivals.. then the next story is about the spread of the COVID variant and how numbers are skyrocketing. It's a total mixed message. Now let's add in a possible 100.00 a month/week/whatever bonus might happen so anyone on the fence for a vaccination is likely waiting to see if they will get paid to get the vaccine vs just getting it now.....
    seriously, if this country paid 500 dollars for each person to get vaxxed, it would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the overall cost of another lockdown or even a surge without a lockdown.

    Also the money has already been authorized and is there to be spent, why not use it? A lot of states haven't touched a dime of the money given to them by the federal funding on covid that was passed. A lot of them want it on the books so they can claim there is no deficit for election/re-election purposes. Some of them are spending it on non covid reasons to try and lower taxes or prevent them from being increased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuafpr View Post
    I fear how far a 2nd lockdown (which i think is coming in the US) will divide people and states. The media here is doing a shitty job with things, one story is about things opening up, saying people should go out to events, concerts, sporting events, or festivals.. then the next story is about the spread of the COVID variant and how numbers are skyrocketing. It's a total mixed message. Now let's add in a possible 100.00 a month/week/whatever bonus might happen so anyone on the fence for a vaccination is likely waiting to see if they will get paid to get the vaccine vs just getting it now.....
    It won't. Too many Governors are up for re-election, and they won't push a lockdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    It won't. Too many Governors are up for re-election, and they won't push a lockdown.
    Yeah, the likelihood of another lockdown here is between zero and nothing. I've seen this coming since Delta showed up. The answer is not locking more people away, we tried that, and a year later, here came Delta to come infect all the people that didn't get it the first time. No, it's not going to happen this time, imo. You can be immune already by Covid or vaccination, or you're going to get that way by Covid or vaccination. Take your choice. Doing nothing means you get Covid. That's what's going to happen here in the US, I think.

    With freedom comes responsibility, and that includes taking care to protect yourself, and not expecting someone else to do it for you. (The government? Pfft. Not here. )

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    Most of the US didn't even have a first lockdown, let alone any chance of a second one happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    seriously, if this country paid 500 dollars for each person to get vaxxed, it would still be a drop in the bucket compared to the overall cost of another lockdown or even a surge without a lockdown.

    Also the money has already been authorized and is there to be spent, why not use it? A lot of states haven't touched a dime of the money given to them by the federal funding on covid that was passed. A lot of them want it on the books so they can claim there is no deficit for election/re-election purposes. Some of them are spending it on non covid reasons to try and lower taxes or prevent them from being increased.
    agree with be cheaper but the possibility of is causing people I know to wait and see (yes they should be vaxxed already but they haven't yet)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    It won't. Too many Governors are up for re-election, and they won't push a lockdown.
    that's exactly the division I'm talking about... Joe says lock down some states refuse and causing further divide
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    Well i got a dose of Janssen vaccine and i am still alive after 4 days. (day 2 sucked with 38*C and the other usual high temperature stuff)
    Its more of a forced short sickness (usualy that one lasts a week -- but this one 3 days)

    However just getting a vaccine here is freaking hell (forget abauth reserving it on phone calls at doctor, they never had any) and while i would rather go with moderna is had no choice due to my work . Same goes for online registrations.

    But yeah standing in line of 500 people on a very hot summer day with mask on and no water or shade-giveaways was not fun one bit (not to mention there was a public pool close to it to add to suffering). And some people getting very impatient, security getting called, people trying to push themselfs in lines and so on.
    Don't sweat the details!!!

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    New data from CA and Bay Area.

    Between July 21 and 28 the average case rate among unvaccinated individuals in CA is 13 cases per 100,000 unvaccinated residents, and 2 per 100,000 for vaccinated residents. San Francisco numbers are 15 for unvaccinated residents and 5.8 for vaccinated residents. San Francisco has the highest number of breakouts in CA. That population density factor again. Contra Costa numbers are 25.3 for unvaccinated and 4.3 for vaccinated. Marin has the highest vaccination rate in CA (92.52% fully vaccinated) and the numbers are 16.3 for unvaccinated and 3.9 vaccinated.

    When we look at the hospitalization rate that's when the vaccine really shines. Less than 1% of breakthrough cases in CA ended up being hospitalized. Alameda has 105 hospitalized covid patients, Santa Clara 85 and San Francisco 78, none are fully vaccinated. Napa has 5, only 1 vaccinated. Contra Costa, Marin, Solano and San Mateo do not have available information on how many hospitalized COVID patients are fully vaccinated.

    In the entire Bay Area, there are only two known breakthrough infections that ended up in death. Both in Sonoma County and both individuals were over the age of 90 with multiple underlying conditions.

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    On a more personal level. My wife had a fever of 101 on Tuesday. She did a teleconference with our doctor, he scheduled a covid test for her at a facility 15 minutes from our home. By the time I got back home in the evening her temperature was down to 97.5 and she felt fine. Thursday morning we found out she tested positive.

    Yesterday we biked to Ocean Beach. For the first time, I did not tether her on the return trip. She did the entire 2.5-mile uphill route under her own power. This morning she ran with me and seemed to be doing okay. The doctor wanted her to do another test next week. She had her two Moderna doses a couple of months ago. So for now we are staying away from people and we limit ourselves to outdoor excursions. I'll go ahead and do the the test next week also just in case I was asymptomatic.

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