1. #27921
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Am I missing something, or is this story as insane as it sounds?
    There's nothing to miss.

    Florida left 1 million tests in a warehouse
    Their Agriculture Commissioner said they exist and were about to expire
    Florida's governor's office said she was a liar (in all but explicit words)
    Florida admits they have 1 million tests in a warehouse the next day (unsure if this is the same million or a different million for seniors)
    Florida admits they have 1 million tests that expired in the warehouse as the Agriculture Commissioner said.

    Seems to be the sequence of events. Just straight up maliciousness and dishonesty.

    This is why it's good that the early rumblings about the federal program to send tests to folks at their homes for free is set up so that you need to request one first. Otherwise millions upon millions would go to waste from folks who would never pick up their mail or pick it up and instantly toss it because it's a "government hoax" or some stupid shit.

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    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/whi...ivery-n1287189

    The White House plans to ship the 500 million free at-home Covid tests President Joe Biden has promised to make available to all Americans via the Postal Service, and has finalized its first contracts related to the tests.

    "We are actively finalizing the details of the distribution mechanism, including a website as we've talked about. I would expect us to provide those details next week, and yes, these tests will be sent out through the mail," deputy press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters Friday. "What I can say is, last night we issued out our first letter award to provide tests toward this half a billion.”
    Plan to send upwards of 500M rapid test kits to folks through USPS for free, if they request them, is official now, details are being hammered out.

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    https://miami.cbslocal.com/2022/01/0...-ron-desantis/

    And because apparently there's always more FuckFlorida, they're complaining they can't monopolize the US supply of monoclonal antibodies, which they have to share with all the other states, because their state's government isn't taking covid remotely seriously and is letting it run through their population like a cordless buzz-saw with the trigger stuck.

    This has been their strategy since last year - focusing on monoclonal antibodies over vaccinations, masks, and distancing - and it's been absolutely ineffective as fuck.

    Oh, and a final clarification on the 1 million tests -

    However, DeSantis and his administration did come under fire as well for allowing as many as one million unused COVID-19 rapid test kits to expire in a Florida warehouse last month, a top state official said on Thursday. The stockpile sat idle during the fall when cases fell in Florida and demand was low, Florida Department of Emergency Management Director Kevin Guthrie said during a news conference.
    1M tests for seniors are new tests.

    1M tests that expired sat their because their case numbers were going down...I wonder why your case numbers would be going down when you're sitting on a million unused test kits. :thinkingface:

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    FL also had one of the best PCR testing programs (despite data accurately sent to national databases). 24 hour turn around, fast(er) lines, in rain and heat. Shuttered, gone, surgeon general refuses to reactivate any of them.

    I can tell where half a dozen onoclonal antibody sites are though. Not even that monoclonal antibody is inherently, but it's misused - marketed as an alternative to taking precautions like vaccination and masking, and often sought too late.

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  3. #27923
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Shuttered, gone, surgeon general refuses to reactivate any of them.
    Seriously, how his actions haven't triggered some kind of review of his medical certifications given that all of his actions since taking the role seem to be to enhance the risk to public health, rather than reduce it, is beyond me.

    We really, really, really, really need to have mechanisms for triggering reviews for doctors when their practices or when their policies in governmental positions are both not backed by any science and actively harmful to patients and those they serve.

  4. #27924
    Meh, just been listening to a bunch of nutters rambling on and the insanity is just mind-blowing. They believe millions die of flu every year in the US and that is minor compared to some of it.

    I don't normally wish ill on anyone but the sooner they get it the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    FL also had one of the best PCR testing programs (despite data accurately sent to national databases). 24 hour turn around, fast(er) lines, in rain and heat. Shuttered, gone, surgeon general refuses to reactivate any of them.
    So by now we've all heard that DeSantis intentionally allowed a million tests to expire, claiming they weren't needed, from @Edge- and other sources but mostly @Edge-

    We had between 800,000 and a million test kits — Abbott test kits — in our warehouse that did expire. We tried to give them out prior to that, but there wasn't a demand for it.
    Yeah, if you'll remember I personally cited Florida telling people not to test.

    So it's with the usual Fuck Florida mix of "you brought this on yourself" I add

    1) A new study says the majority of Florida, up to 80%, will get omicron. Not COVID. Omicron, specifically.

    2) The state added 396,562 people to its COVID-19 caseload in the past seven days, the Department of Health said Friday in its weekly report.

    That's weekly not daily, but that's still a staggering amount. And they had like 80k yesterday so backfill from Jan 1st isn't realistic anymore.

    The NYTimes lists their daily average between 55k and 60k for the last 3 days, which fits "400k in a week" pretty well. Last year, Florida (and others I'm sure) peaked Jan 13th. This isn't getting better soon, not with management like this. Or mismanagement like this, I should say.

    Are other states doing poorly? Yes. Most of them are trying. Florida is not. Thank goodness omicron isn't as lethal.

  6. #27926
    The story of the tennis player Novak Djokovic is now turning odder.
    Allegedly he got an exemption on December 1st and then tested positive on December 16th in Serbia, and thus really thinks he should be exempted.
    https://www.tennisworldusa.org/tenni...-16-in-serbia/

    So basically the defense of 'I got covid, and didn't get the vaccine, and thus I got an exemption since that means I cannot get covid again, except I did get it, but that just means I will really not get it again'!

    And of course he was good lad and isolated on December 16th and a few days after until the infection cleared /s

    (at timestamp 18.31)

    https://twitter.com/DjokerNole/statu...43717271150592

  7. #27927
    That would be the third time he has claimed to have had it. Its like natural immunity does nothing.

  8. #27928
    Yet even more proof that the SCOTUS is clearly compromised by GOP morons.
    https://www.newsweek.com/justice-nei...h-year-1667015
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    A Fetus is not a person under the 14th amendment.

    Christians are Forced Birth Fascists against Human Rights who indoctrinate and groom children. Prove me wrong.

  9. #27929
    Vaccine mandates for UK health workers hits in April. I can see a u-turn coming though as they can't afford to lose the staff in the NHS.


  10. #27930
    We've got vaccine mandates for health care here in Australia, and not just health care. The state of WA has mandates that cover 75% of the workforce. The loss of workers was very, very small. Not even half a percent. The health care sector is loosing far more workers to burnout as well as being off sick than they did from anti-vaxxers quitting.

    And on a note of just how fast omicron is spreading, modelling is predicting that in 10 days time, 8-10% of the population could be active cases. Luckily we are running at 90%+ vaccination rates, but it is still going to put a massive strain on health care, not to mention all the other vital services. Shops are already finding it hard to have enough active staff to deliver and stock goods.

  11. #27931
    Twins Igor and Grichka Bogdanoff, controversial French TV stars, die of COVID-19 after refusing vaccines

  12. #27932
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Headline seems wholly accurate. They're arguing against vaccine mandates, they tested positive for COVID, they're now presenting those arguments remotely. I'm not sure where they grey part is meant to be?
    I don’t know if they are personally vaccinated or not and didn’t care enough to look, so I didn’t want to potentially call them out over something they didn’t do (or rather did do).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What's grey about it?
    If the lawyers are vaxxed or not, didn’t look

  13. #27933
    Quote Originally Posted by caractacus View Post
    Vaccine mandates for UK health workers hits in April. I can see a u-turn coming though as they can't afford to lose the staff in the NHS.

    nah fuck that cunt, if he doesnt get the vaccine he can fuck off.

  14. #27934
    Thoughts, prayers, and lawls

    Anti-vaxxer podcaster dies from COVID-19 after contracting virus at far-right Reawaken America conference

    Anti-vaxxer Doug Kuzma, 61, who ran the FROG news podcast network, has died on January 3 after contracting COVID-19 at a right-wing rally.

    Posts in the right-wing Telegram channel Frog News Network announced Kuzma's passing, Insider can confirm.

    In the channel, Kuzma had posted about having a fever of 102. His messages then stopped.

    Kuzma's daughter Amanda spoke to The Daily Beast about her father and said: "I really loved him, and I would do anything for him. He was a great father."

    Before he passed, a Frog News Telegram post said, "Doug needs heavy, heavy prayers," noting that he was unconscious and unable to respond to calls or messages.

    According to pro-Trump attorney Lin Wood, Kuma contracted the virus at the ReAwaken America event in Dallas from December 9-11, 2021, where Wood was a speaker.

    He posted to Telegram in later December that, "Doug is suffering from Covid after returning from a recent patriot conference. Anna [a friend of Kuzma] informs me that Doug has taken a turn for the worse," Wood wrote. "His lungs are not responding to treatment," reported the Daily Beast.

    When he was ill, Kuzma remained an outspoken critic of the COVID-19 vaccines. Writing on his Facebook and detailing his symptoms of COVID-19 - which he repeatedly insisted was bronchitis - someone told him to go and get a COVID test.

    "No way," he replied, "You must have lost your mind so they can kill me. And try to give me the jab. There's no way bro I'll die at the house before I go to the hospital." He added.

    On Christmas Eve, Kuzma was found unconscious at his home and was rushed to the ICU at Bon Secours Mary Immaculate Hospital in Newport News, Virginia, VICE reports. He did not respond to treatment.

    The event where Kuzma supposedly caught the virus saw speakers including MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, the far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, and Eric Trump, according to the event's website.

    Some people left the ReAwaken America event suffering from a dry cough and shortness of breath. Rather than considering a COVID-19 outbreak, however, far-right influencers baselessly suggested these symptoms resulted from an anthrax attack at the event. Kieran Press-Reynolds has the full story.

    While vaccines have been available to the public since early 2021, several conservative podcasters and radio hosts who've expressed anti-vaccine sentiments have contracted COVID-19. At least seven of them died this year, including Phil Valentine, Marc Bernier, Doug Kuzma, and Pressley Stutts.
    "The customer is always right" is a nice way of saying "I will put up with your bullshit as long as you pay me"

  15. #27935
    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    nah fuck that cunt, if he doesnt get the vaccine he can fuck off.
    Why would anyone want to have a doctor who doesn't believe in science?

    This is the most baffling part of it all... thinking that firing shitty doctors and nurses is somehow a bad thing.

    This is like getting pissed that the school district fired a bus driver who was drinking on the job.
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    Multiculturalism hurts and kills. This happened before Trump and it would be happening without him. Racism arises from a multicultural society. If we were monocultural, people would not see issues through the lens of race.
    This is a poster saying that people are at fault for being the victims of terrorism, because they are not white.
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    I hate personal freedom because people abuse it like a shiny new toy.

  16. #27936
    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    That would be the third time he has claimed to have had it. Its like natural immunity does nothing.
    Oh, I haven't heard that - when was the 2nd time?

    I noticed that he was supposed to headline Australian Open even before December 16th; so was the 2nd time in the last 6 months (which would be consistent with the alleged rules) or did he plan to get covid in the break from tennis around x-mas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    I don’t know if they are personally vaccinated or not and didn’t care enough to look, so I didn’t want to potentially call them out over something they didn’t do (or rather did do).
    The linked story stated that one was vaccinated, but still got infected and mild symptoms, and didn't provide any details for the other lawyer.

    However, it is not that simple - even if the lawyers were vaccinated themselves they might have staff (and family) that wasn't vaccinated (kind of hard to argue that they must be vaccinated and still oppose a vaccine mandate), which may have helped the spread.

    And I don't know if a vaccine mandate is the best available solution (well, the best would be if people understood that they should get vaccinated without the need for any mandate).

  17. #27937
    Quote Originally Posted by D3thray View Post
    I don’t know if they are personally vaccinated or not and didn’t care enough to look, so I didn’t want to potentially call them out over something they didn’t do (or rather did do).

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    If the lawyers are vaxxed or not, didn’t look
    So, you're just too lazy to read a short article that would have actually left you informed before you bothered to comment? Cool. I assume this isn't the only time that has been the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    nah fuck that cunt, if he doesnt get the vaccine he can fuck off.
    Yeah, this. Sack him.

  18. #27938
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Why would anyone want to have a doctor who doesn't believe in science?
    "Believing in science" != "Believing in government mandates" - or in blanket enforcement.

    After all his argument is
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    "I got antibodies, i have worked on Covid ICU from the beginning, vaccine transmission reduction is 8 weeks for Delta, probably less for omicron, science isn't strong enough [for mandates]".
    "Maybe with omicron and changing picture there is possibility to reconsider, or at least include nuance like doctors with previous exposure and antibodies"
    "If you want to keep transmission protection from a booster, then you have to inject every staff member every month - which we aren't going to do"
    ---


    This is the most baffling part of it all... thinking that firing shitty doctors and nurses is somehow a bad thing.
    Every nurse and doctor fired is many people not saved if hospitals hit capacity. Basic logic.

    It isn't like there are crowds of qualified applicants just waiting to replace those that leave; ICU training isn't something you can seriously pick up in a week.

    Such doctor will likely save more then he will "kill" even in extreme case.

  19. #27939
    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    "Believing in science" != "Believing in government mandates" - or in blanket enforcement.

    After all his argument is "I got antibodies, i have worked on Covid ICU from the beginning, vaccine transmission reduction is 8 weeks for Delta, probably less for omicron, science isn't strong enough [for mandates]".
    "Maybe with omicron and changing picture there is possibility to reconsider, or at least include nuance like doctors with previous exposure and antibodies"
    "If you want to keep transmission protection from a booster, then you have to inject every staff member every month - which we aren't going to do"

    Every nurse and doctor fired is many people not saved if hospitals hit capacity. Basic logic.

    It isn't like there are crowds of qualified applicants just waiting to replace those that leave; ICU training isn't something you can seriously pick up in a week.

    Such doctor will likely save more then he will "kill" even in extreme case.
    Such doctor is encouraging people to not get vaccinated and roll the dice with covid. I doubt he’s gonna save 100k in the rest of his career. He may well help that many die with his bullshit though.

  20. #27940
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Such doctor is encouraging people to not get vaccinated and roll the dice with covid.
    He didn't.

    All he said that transmission reduction is unlikely to be significant for him in a hospital setting with antibodies, and natural antibody protection should be considered comparable to vaccine (and it certainly can wane like a vaccine too - that is still testable).

    Debatable, but not insane.

    That isn't "random doctor" either - by video claim he specifically worked with Covid ICU, so he should be quite aware of all risks - certainly more then any random member of public.

    I doubt he’s gonna save 100k in the rest of his career. He may well help that many die with his bullshit though.
    How many deaths do you put on a single doctor's opinion that concerned mandates specifically for people like him, unvaccinated but with antibodies? Entire UK worth of deaths?

    South Africa data seems to show that it is relatively safe bet; it would be different if his antibody status was unknown though.
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