1. #3001
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    You're right...that was a different person.

    But he did say this:
    he still said she's right...

    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post

    And the person I did quote before is the Head of the Public Health Authority
    no she isn't... she's a department manager of the microbiology department...

  2. #3002
    This is getting so, so nuts. lol
    Looks like a lot of people are planning on spending the next couple of weeks in "self-quarantine". Unfortunately my job is still requiring me to come in.
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comment...ef_source=link

  3. #3003
    The Chinese government is pushing for "go back to work", and claims that foreign countries are worse.

    The last time a big plague is 100 years ago.
    No one knows how bad a plague is.
    They thought with today's technology the plague is contained.
    Just wait ...

  4. #3004
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    he still said she's right...
    He said "partially correct"... and then goes on to say that Herd Immunity is not the strategy.

    no she isn't... she's a department manager of the microbiology department...
    Not according to the article:

    But Karin Tegmark Wisell, Head of Department at the Public Health Authority, went out in Sweden's radio "Good Morning, the world" and argued that the authority uses the flock immunity strategy.

    - No, the goal now is to slow down the infection at all costs. Then she is quite right in that we get a herd immunity among those in the community who can tolerate this disease in a good way and it will also protect the elderly. But that is not our intention right now. Now it is to make sure not to spread the infection.
    Last edited by Egomaniac; 2020-03-15 at 09:49 PM.

  5. #3005
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Not according to the article:
    the department she's responsible for is microbiology... she's a department manager... her position is literally avdelningschef in swedish... avdelning is department... chef is manager... avdelningschef... https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...-enhetschefer/ she's even listed as such on their page... Johan Carlson is the agency executive... Gabriel Wikström is the minister responsible...
    Last edited by Raspberry Lemon; 2020-03-15 at 09:51 PM.

  6. #3006
    Yikes India and Germany have suspended exports of some goods to "keep them where they are needed".

    This includes medicine/pharma/chemicals needed to fight the virus.

    Good thing we don't import most of our....oh...wait....fuck.


    Well at least our corporations are not worried:

    Over the past several days and weeks, health care and consumer industry groups and even federal agencies have sounded the alarm that the US may face major problems in keeping basic medical, food and retail supplies available during the coronavirus pandemic.

    On Sunday, the group representing food and retail companies like Clorox, Procter & Gamble and PepsiCo told the State Department and the US Trade Representative they fear other countries cutting off exports to the US, which could exacerbate the public health emergency.

    The group is particularly concerned about countries restricting chemicals, ingredients and products they manufacture from getting to the US.

    For instance, India, a major drug ingredient supplier, has already limited exports of medications like acetaminophen, a common painkiller used for flu-like symptoms, and Germany has banned the export of protective equipment like masks, gloves and suits used by health care professionals.

    President Trump also planned to speak to grocery, food and beverage corporate leaders on Sunday about supply chain concerns,
    including the Consumer Brand Association's head and major grocery chain CEOs.
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  7. #3007
    Not sure if shared;
    A doctor in Italy shared numerous details about how hospitals in the country are dealing with COVID-19, a disease caused by the new coronavirus.

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  8. #3008
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    the department she's responsible for is microbiology... she's a department manager... her position is literally avdelningschef in swedish... avdelning is department... chef is manager...
    Okay, the article isn't clear on that point... but she's still in more of a position to know the current Government strategy than Annika Lende...who is the former state epidemiologist from 7 years ago... and the current state epidemiologist says that isn't the strategy either.

  9. #3009
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Okay, the article isn't clear on that point... but she's still in more of a position to know the current Government strategy than Annika Lende...who is the former state epidemiologist 7 years ago... and the current state epidemiologist says that isn't the strategy either.
    our current one said annika is correct...

  10. #3010
    Quote Originally Posted by telygroar View Post
    Dont know if it was posted here but :

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus...m_source=share

    https://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/artic...e.onsitesearch

    (translation



    thx USA for being assholes.
    US government tries to swipe exclusive rights for vaccine in development from German biotech company, offering large amounts of money to have it "only for the US"

    And its true, confirmed by the german health minister.

    3h ago this went the right way (against the US gov and pro Worldhealth)
    https://twitter.com/berlindirekt/sta...45508255809536

    China sends doctors and ventilators to italy (not "mask and sanitizers" as some posted in this thread) while the US does everything it can to make more pharmacy PROFIT out of this.

    Hollywood movies will have a difficult time in the future with good vs evil nations without drifting into 100% propaganda.
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  11. #3011
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    our current one said annika is correct...
    "partially correct"

    - Partly that's right, the problem is that we don't really know what herd immunity looks like for this disease yet, because it's a bit unclear. We have no good data on it yet because you have not done the kind of studies you need to do. So our main purpose now is to get the spread of infection as slow as possible, and of course in the long term get some kind of immunity in society that prevents it from spreading so quickly in the future.
    As a direct answer to this question:
    But is it your strategy that people should be infected and build an immunity to protect the weak?
    he responds:

    - No, not basically, but the basis of our strategy is to try to get the infection going as slowly as possible. We do not really know what a herd immunity would look like for this type of disease, so it is very strange to say that this is the strategy when we do not know what the target is. But we know what the goal is to reduce the spread of infection and we know how to achieve it. It's all about staying home when they're sick. It's the ground bolt.
    Last edited by Egomaniac; 2020-03-15 at 10:01 PM.

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  13. #3013
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    "partially correct"
    because they don't like outright saying everything that happens due to their policies is intended... just look at reinfeldt & co when they were in charge... at least if they don't outright say it they can plausibly deny it claiming that wasn't the intent lol even though it was a direct result of their policies that could have been prevented...
    Last edited by Raspberry Lemon; 2020-03-15 at 10:13 PM.

  14. #3014
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    because they don't like outright saying everything that happens due to their policies is intended... just look at reinfeldt & co... at least if they don't outright say it they can plausibly deny it claiming that wasn't the intent lol...
    You're just going on a conspiracy rant now.

    His direct response to being asked if the strategy was to infect the entire population was "no."

    This talk of it being the strategy was based on the opinion of a single person that is no longer affiliated with the Department of Health...and you're taking that as gospel over two people directly involved in the crisis saying "No, that's not it at all"

  15. #3015
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    You're just going on a conspiracy rant now.

    His direct response to being asked if the strategy was to infect the entire population was "no."
    no, i'm not... i understand how the agencies and politicians responsible for them in sweden work... they have been doing this shit for years in different areas... we have been naive is something we will hear soon... reinfeldt & co pulled the same shit when the health care started crashing due to their policies... saying that wasn't their intent... löfven and his government has done the same too in various areas... this will be yet another area where politicians do that...
    Last edited by Raspberry Lemon; 2020-03-15 at 10:17 PM.

  16. #3016
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    no, i'm not... i understand how the agencies and politicians responsible for them in sweden work... they have been doing this shit for years in different areas... we have been naive is something we will hear soon... reinfeldt & co pulled the same shit when the health care started crashing due to their policies... saying that wasn't their intent...
    Conspiracy theory without any evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daronokk View Post
    China is to blame for the severity of this outbreak by downplaying it early on. But then again, many other countries have learned nothing from this and are making the very same mistakes. So it's not like you can blame China for everything.
    No they aren’t. Not when it comes to America.

    We have a pandemic intelligence arm that knew China was lying in January and briefed the president saying it will be bad.

  18. #3018
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    And yet, you keep replying to me personally and throwing the same line of "Other countries fucked up"...which I am not denying.

    Let me explain my thoughts on this matter in the most simplistic way I can.

    The fact that other countries fucked up does not absolve China of it's own fuck ups.

    conversely

    The fact that China fucked up does not absolve other countries of their own fuck ups.
    China's fuck-up was the original fuck up. The big one.

    First their regulation and enforcement facilitated this happening. For years the WHO and CDC have been watching strains of Coronaviruses and Influenza in animals, in China, be only a few mutations away from jumping to the human race, or becoming virulently infectious. And this time it happened. It doesn't happen other places. It happens in China. It's not the natural environment. It's the artificial environment - both physical and regulatory - that allows these super-viruses to keep appearing there. China's government has created the conditions for this catastrophe.

    Secondly, when it became clear how severe this could be, they did what authoritarian regimes always do and viewed it purely as a threat to their grip on power, and not as the public health crisis it is. So they silenced people. They downplayed the threat. In the great tradition of Chinese governance, regional officials lied up the ladder to their superiors at the central government about its severity. The same kind of shit that has facilitated China's BS economic numbers of years (that nobody really believes) facilitated the spreading of a virus. China let this get out of containment and robbed the world of two precious months.

    Has the rest of the world made mistakes? Monumental ones, no doubt. But they pale in comparison to the original failure. They aren't close to the same level. The mistakes of the US and Europe are only mistakes in response to something that ALREADY was occurring, that the Chinese government, and the Chinese government alone, could have nipped in the bud. But they didn't because they did not want to look bad.

    Just to drive the point home, this very day the Chinese government is promoting the bullshit that is Chinese Traditional Medicine as a "Chinese solution "to Coronavirus. FOr those who don't know, Chinese Tradiitional Medicine is (1) Not authentically Chinese (2) not traditional and (3) not medicine. CTM as we know it was concocted by the Communist Party and promoted by Mao in the 1950s and 1960s as a Chinese alternative to Western Medicine. Nominally, it's based on ancient practices, but really it was an attempt by an authoritarian regime to extend it's totalitarian control and cultural hegemony within China even to medicine.

    That is how serious the Chinese government is taking things.

    Make no mistake, when this is over there _will_ be a severe reckoning with China that is long over due. It _will_ lose its place as the world's factory floor as countries reassess is place in the global logistics chain not to its benefit and it's ability to influence global events due to its deceptive authoritarian nature _will_ be curtained.

    Westerners looked to growth in China when growth slowed down in the Western world. That proved ill advised. Now we're living through the roll back. Better late than never. Maybe we'll return to face what China truly is: a modestly more open North Korea with a lot more people and a bigger bank account. But at it's core, all authoritarian regimes have the same motivation. And this time the world will get sick off it.

  19. #3019
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    Conspiracy theory without any evidence.
    nope... i've lived it as has other swedes...

    https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a...arit-for-naiva

    sweden has been too naive... when their policies and what they lead to are called out by people...

    https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2019-11-1...-misslyckanden

    we have been naive...

    https://www.svd.se/kinas-intag-i-got...la-varit-naiva

    we have been naive...

    https://da.se/2019/09/ylva-johansson...kuggsamhallet/

    we have been naive...

    https://www.tv4.se/nyheterna/artikla...59487aba0000cc

    we have been naive...
    https://www.bgplay.se/video/sverige-...ar-varit-naiva

    we have been naive...

    they keep repeating this... over and over... there's endless amounts of it out there where they say it after people don't like their policies and what they have lead to... this will just be another case of it in a long line...
    Last edited by Raspberry Lemon; 2020-03-15 at 10:32 PM.

  20. #3020
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    nope... i've lived it as has other swedes...

    https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a...arit-for-naiva

    sweden has been too naive... when their policies are called out by people...

    https://www.sydsvenskan.se/2019-11-1...-misslyckanden

    we have been naive...

    https://www.svd.se/kinas-intag-i-got...la-varit-naiva

    we have been naive...

    https://da.se/2019/09/ylva-johansson...kuggsamhallet/

    we have been naive...

    https://www.tv4.se/nyheterna/artikla...59487aba0000cc

    we have been naive...
    https://www.bgplay.se/video/sverige-...ar-varit-naiva

    we have been naive...

    they keep repeating this... over and over... there's endless amounts of it out there where they say it after people don't like their policies and what they have lead to... this will just be another case of it...
    Just like any other conspiracy theorist. You make a supposition that you try to back up with an article that clearly does not line up with what you say...and when called on it...you just say "well, the rest of it is just a cover up"

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