1. #3341
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    hmm..We are aiming for ‘maximum control’ of coronavirus, PM tells the Dutch

    The aim, he said, is to try to spread the peak infection over a longer period, ‘while we build up immunity’. This means that hospitals and intensive care units are not overburdened and they have capacity to help the people most in need, Rutte said.

    The rules that the government has introduced to try to stem the virus are ‘unknown in peacetime’, the prime minister said. And in a message aimed at older people and people in bad health, Rutte said: ‘I understand you are worried.’

    ‘It’s our priority to make the risks for you as small as possible,’ he said.

    Many people in the Netherlands will develop the virus in the coming period and the more people who are immune, the less the chance to spread it to the elderly and people with poor health.

    ‘It will take months to build this up and in the meantime we must protect people,’ Rutte said. ‘Our choice is to go for maximum control, to lower the infection peak and spread it out over a longer period while we build up immunity and don’t overload hospitals and intensive care departments.’

    Another option, to let the disease spread quickly, will put too big a burden on the care system, Rutte said. ‘We must avoid this at all cost,’ he told his television audience. The third option, to close down the country and try to keep it out, will take months or longer, with all the consequences which that will involve.

    The duration of the measures and whether we need more, depend how the virus reacts,’ Rutte said. ‘Some rules might be made more flexible. We will watch and keep a finger on the pulse in the coming months. We will take the measures necessary and let normal life go on as much as possible.’

    Rutte also spoke directly about the economic consequences of the shut-down. ‘Many people are worried about their jobs. Many businesses have their backs against the wall,’ he said.

    ‘My message to the workers of the Netherlands is that the government will do everything it can to support you so that your business doesn’t fail and you don’t lose your job. It will be difficult but, we won’t let you down.’
    Rutte should tied in Den Hague for crimes against mankind. Never seen so much weak and pathetic responses from a country's Goverment. The herding immunity mentality is just so fucking wrong. Enough, if this is over, I will write a strongly worded letter to WHO/UN/EU about how Mark ''fuckya'all'' Rutte, played, and toyed with his own country's wellbeing.
    ''With this attack, we have no choice but to protect our kind by unleashing our almighty weapon upon them. Summoning the Apocalypse'' - Stellaris Apocalypse trailer.

  2. #3342
    Quote Originally Posted by Clickbait Mick View Post
    They need to full stop start killing people who refuse to self-isolate while showing symptoms.

    Every country with more than 100 cases right now should have soldiers and cops patrolling the streets. Any large gathering being planned in defiance of community pleas should be forcibly dispersed with tear gas and rubber pellets at the very least.

    People are fearing for their lives and shitheads who aren't worried for themselves are indirectly killing hundreds if not thousands.
    "They're indirectly killing people so we should start directly killing them!!!"

    Okay Hitler calm down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    You guys don't understand the US at all.
    Try this: Help wanted ad that wants only those that have recovered from the virus. Because immunity gained...can operate business as usual.

    In a few days people will wonder why they panicked.
    You don't magically become immune to the virus if you recover. Your body is just more capable of fighting it off, IF you don't also happen to get some other illness. It could also end up mutating and you start spreading around a new strain of the virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phanius View Post
    Ty for pointing that out. I've been reading mmoc for about a year. Finally moved in from a very rural area with crap internet.

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    Try that in the US, and whoever gave the order would be committing political suicide.

    The overreaction to this is real. The elderly, children, and the immunocompromised should stay home. I am none of those, & whoever tries to restrict my freedom of movement is going to have a bad day.
    You might not be one of those people but you could spread it to them or their caretakers. Limiting the movement of as many people as possible is key. And yeah, I'm sure you're a real tough guy who would really give some stern words to someone before doing what they say while you crawl away with your tail between your legs.

  3. #3343
    Regardless, in a month this will be the new normal...
    The massive layoffs will curtail as people get re-hired...businesses will reopen..and the economy moves tepidly along.

  4. #3344
    Quote Originally Posted by Phanius View Post
    Absolutely not. But I can't convince you otherwise.

    I do know that our local sheriff has said he will not enforce any freedom-killing order (his words). Whether it freedom of movement or any other.

    Idk where you're from Benggaul. But in rural America, we don't take very well to be told what to do.

    6500 deaths worldwide is a fart in a whirlwind.

    Half a million a year from the flu, and the catastrophe profiteers are limping in with this coronavirus fearmongering. Give me a break.
    The virus is at the very beginning of spreading. The number of cases is likely doubling each day. CDC models estimate about 200 million infected and a million dead in the US by the end of the year with current piss poor methods of limiting people's movement.

  5. #3345
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Rutte should tied in Den Hague for crimes against mankind. Never seen so much weak and pathetic responses from a country's Goverment. The herding immunity mentality is just so fucking wrong. Enough, if this is over, I will write a strongly worded letter to WHO/UN/EU about how Mark ''fuckya'all'' Rutte, played, and toyed with his own country's wellbeing.
    News flash, every country is going for 'herd immunity'. Its a Pandemic, by definition its out of control and stopping it is not a possibility, slowing it and riding it out is the only option left for everyone.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  6. #3346
    Quote Originally Posted by Phanius View Post
    Then refute my numbers. Compared to the flu, this things real impact is overblown.

    As for the US being a joke? What others think of us is no concern of mine.
    Go look at CDC models. Look at past viruses and what they have done. Your numbers are already refuted.

  7. #3347
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Parents are already dead.
    So fuck other peoples parents? Really?!

    Quote Originally Posted by The Scourge of Azuremyst View Post
    Estonia 205 +34
    Latvia 34 +4
    Lithuania 17 +3

    Russia 93 +30

    You call that exploding?


    Germany 7,241 +1,428

    THIS one is exploding.
    Because... we have couple million per country at most as compared to Germany's 80 million? Yes, for us it is exploding, especially considering how few there were a week ago in Estonia.
    Last edited by Easo; 2020-03-16 at 10:20 PM.

  8. #3348
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    Rutte should tied in Den Hague for crimes against mankind. Never seen so much weak and pathetic responses from a country's Goverment. The herding immunity mentality is just so fucking wrong. Enough, if this is over, I will write a strongly worded letter to WHO/UN/EU about how Mark ''fuckya'all'' Rutte, played, and toyed with his own country's wellbeing.
    I do think that the path of slowing down the spread as much as possible is the one taken by most governments, isn't it? You can't actually stop it from spreading, but you can take care that it spreads slowly enough to not put too much strain on the hospitals and to buy some time for the development of a vaccine. And you can try and make people understand that they shouldn't go spreading it on purpose, which is why people are being warned against 'corona parties', which some people actually seem to want to do. This would spread the virus too fast.
    Herd immunity comes all by itself over the next few months and years, but until we have it, this thing is dangerous and it should not be forced, so the healthcare can keep up with the inevitable infections.

  9. #3349
    Quote Originally Posted by Phanius View Post
    Even if the numbers bear out as you suggest, so what? If its worse, let's say a million deaths a year worldwide and opposed to half a million, that is against the backdrop of 7.5 Billion humans.

    The definition of insignificant.
    It's estimated to kill a million in the US alone. That's about .25% of the population. Sure, that seems insignificant but if you were capable of basic math then that would mean that if you know 20 people who get infected, there's a 5% chance one of them will die. Of course there's many other factors such as the current health of those infected. Is that something you're okay with? I'd rather it be as low as possible if the only thing people have to do is be mildly inconvenienced for a few weeks.

  10. #3350
    Quote Originally Posted by formerShandalay View Post
    I do think that the path of slowing down the spread as much as possible is the one taken by most governments, isn't it? You can't actually stop it from spreading, but you can take care that it spreads slowly enough to not put too much strain on the hospitals and to buy some time for the development of a vaccine. And you can try and make people understand that they shouldn't go spreading it on purpose, which is why people are being warned against 'corona parties', which some people actually seem to want to do. This would spread the virus too fast.
    Herd immunity comes all by itself over the next few months and years, but until we have it, this thing is dangerous and it should not be forced, so the healthcare can keep up with the inevitable infections.
    I'd have to qoute everyone, but herd immunity is only practised by the UK and the Netherlands, and does *NOT* work.

    Not in the way those 2 want.. Only way is getting vaccines, and we all know its atleast 6-18months out.
    ''With this attack, we have no choice but to protect our kind by unleashing our almighty weapon upon them. Summoning the Apocalypse'' - Stellaris Apocalypse trailer.

  11. #3351
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Because... we have couple million per country at most as compared to Germany's 80 million? Yes, for us it is exploding, especially considering how few there were a week ago in Estonia.
    Your population density isnt lower than theirs, or even China's.

  12. #3352
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    So protecting a small percentage of the population while asking the majority to suffer? Again, reckless without the proper foresight and planning. There's many other measure that can be implemented to curb the spread of the virus in public settings without harrowing people who are likely live in or barely above poverty.
    Let us know when someone you care bout dies from the virus and tell us how it was worth it because the majority didn't suffer for a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Possibly losing your home is a bit more than "inconvenienced"
    More less inconvenient than being dead?

  13. #3353
    Quote Originally Posted by The Scourge of Azuremyst View Post
    Your population density isnt lower than theirs, or even China's.
    Are you sure? Open Wikipedia and take a look at this:
    Latvia - 34.3/km2
    Estonia - 28/km2
    Lithuania - 43/km2
    vs
    Germany - 232/km2
    Even China - 145/km2
    Also, the simple fact that for small countries it is harder to absorb more cases.

  14. #3354
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    To the average American who is not immunocompromised or above the age of 65, that means absolutely nothing since the virus has a incredibly low morality rate for their demographic. It just asking them to endure unnecessary financial hardship when better preventative measure can be taken.

    And thanks for your otherwise worthless response. If you want to try to force vapid political banter then I suggest you try elsewhere.
    Except you then increase the risk of infection for those very same people.

  15. #3355
    Quote Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000 View Post
    The virus is at the very beginning of spreading. The number of cases is likely doubling each day. CDC models estimate about 200 million infected and a million dead in the US by the end of the year with current piss poor methods of limiting people's movement.
    I don't see the cases doubling every day.
    It varies a lot, but perhaps 10% increase a day and doubling every week - which would mean it peaks in about 3 months (unless stopped earlier by warmer weather in the northern hemisphere causing it to return during autumn).

  16. #3356
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It's a shitty situation either way, but I know grandparents would sacrifice themselves to make sure my life was the best it could be
    Or you and them and others could stop being asses and just do what the CDC recommends and suffer for a few weeks so far less people die.

  17. #3357
    Quote Originally Posted by TrollHunter3000 View Post
    Let us know when someone you care bout dies from the virus and tell us how it was worth it because the majority didn't suffer for a few weeks.

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    More less inconvenient than being dead?
    Living on the street is basically a death sentence in some areas. It also behooves the gov't to make sure people are paid, social systems are already overloaded, they can't handle millions more homeless

    And I'd rather be dead than homeless

  18. #3358
    Quote Originally Posted by Fuiking View Post
    I'd have to qoute everyone, but herd immunity is only practised by the UK and the Netherlands, and does *NOT* work.
    Herd immunity as it is at the moment seemingly encouraged in the UK is not supported anywhere else, because as far as I know they are going with the 'let it spread as fast as it can'-route. From what I said before, I don't think I have to say again what I think about that... >:/

    Germany is going the 'make it spread as slowly as we can make it'-route, but also emphasized it cannot be stopped.

    The problem with lots of people invoking the "herd immunity" is that they make it seem like this is something that just comes from nothing in a matter of weeks. But there's some diseases where it takes generations and the first generation to contract any given disease is always hit hardest. We are that generation in the case of this disease, all of those that live today. So all we can do is make it go as mildly as we can by being as careful as we can and trying to give our healthcare as much time as we can, so as many people as possible can survive. And as many people as possible can survive without long term damages as well.

  19. #3359
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Not money, mine, and others, ability to afford their homes. Even after this is all said and done we still have to live
    Kinda hard to live when you're dead mr 2000 IQ

  20. #3360
    Quote Originally Posted by Easo View Post
    Are you sure? Open Wikipedia and take a look at this:
    Latvia - 34.3/km2
    Estonia - 28/km2
    Lithuania - 43/km2
    vs
    Germany - 232/km2
    Even China - 145/km2
    Also, the simple fact that for small countries it is harder to absorb more cases.
    Your local population density duhh... Population density of any city in the world is roughly the same. Assuming you live in a city, you dont have fewer people within a 100m radius than any city dweller in Germany.

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