1. #3541
    Quote Originally Posted by Draco-Onis View Post
    In the case of the US even people who have been exposed or showing possible symptoms are not being tested that's not even going into the fact that we are still having issues with the testing itself. We have samples expiring and have to test people more than once our system is basically breaking down.
    You and most of the world. US is not special really in this, really. We have somewhat similar situation with tests - they are slow and so far only like 800 tests per day are done bottom line and we're population of 9 million. MoH hopes to increase that number to 2000 this week and they setup testing drive through labs across the country atm.

    The only good news is that because local government was somewhat on the ball and started bunkering-up everything earlier than most, we don't have absolute catastrophe going on and still no deaths, but this will come.

    Right now you can't get tested just because you want it, hope this will change next week.

  2. #3542
    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    Just heard over the radio that Americans have been hoarding guns and ammunition over the Covid-19 pandemia. Think it was ammo.com or something that has something like 70% increased sales on ammunition? Guess you could try and shoot the virus out of the air or something.
    You know whats better in a crisis then a can of beans?
    A gun that lets you take many cans of beans off of other people.

    Yes its stupid but that is the thought behind it. They have seen Mad Max, if society breaks down they want to be the ones with guns.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  3. #3543
    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    The irony....

    My claim word for word
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...1#post52184874


    your claim




    But I'm the one making assumptions and Jumping the gun on 1 unconfirmed case of someone getting reinfected.... Ok bub....
    Words do you not read them seriously /doublefacepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    You know whats better in a crisis then a can of beans?
    A gun that lets you take many cans of beans off of other people.
    Ah, America, the land of free...

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    After talking to a local doctor about the Coronavirus, I have a question I hope someone can answer:
    There were many other disease outbreaks in recent decades: Ebola, bird flu, pig flu off the top of my head. According to an infographic someone posted some pages ago, pig flu had 30x more deaths than Coronavirus. But there was no panic then, no worldwide shutdowns. In my country at the time of pig flu, corrupt politicians used the epidemic to steal some millions from the budget under pretense of vaccine, that was it. No quarantines, some people wore masks, business as usual besides that.

    Why is there such fuss and disruption over a disease outbreak less deadly than previous ones?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

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    Welp, wife just watched a neighbor get lifted down from the third floor on a stretcher and the medics were all wearing masks. Not sure if that's just a precaution or a confirmed case, but it's making me antsy.

  7. #3547
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    After talking to a local doctor about the Coronavirus, I have a question I hope someone can answer:
    There were many other disease outbreaks in recent decades: Ebola, bird flu, pig flu off the top of my head. According to an infographic someone posted some pages ago, pig flu had 30x more deaths than Coronavirus. But there was no panic then, no worldwide shutdowns. In my country at the time of pig flu, corrupt politicians used the epidemic to steal some millions from the budget under pretense of vaccine, that was it. No quarantines, some people wore masks, business as usual besides that.

    Why is there such fuss and disruption over a disease outbreak less deadly than previous ones?
    Swine flu had a mortality rate of 0.1%, the same as regular flu. Coronavirus at the lowest estimates is 1%, which is 10x higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    After talking to a local doctor about the Coronavirus, I have a question I hope someone can answer:
    There were many other disease outbreaks in recent decades: Ebola, bird flu, pig flu off the top of my head. According to an infographic someone posted some pages ago, pig flu had 30x more deaths than Coronavirus. But there was no panic then, no worldwide shutdowns. In my country at the time of pig flu, corrupt politicians used the epidemic to steal some millions from the budget under pretense of vaccine, that was it. No quarantines, some people wore masks, business as usual besides that.

    Why is there such fuss and disruption over a disease outbreak less deadly than previous ones?
    Maybe there would had been less deaths if we took precautions more seriously.

    If you feel that the amount of people dying is really low, good! That means we are doing a great job.
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  9. #3549
    Quote Originally Posted by Leakage View Post
    Swine flu had a mortality rate of 0.1%, the same as regular flu. Coronavirus at the lowest estimates is 1%, which is 10x higher.
    in fact its 2-4%, WHEN EVERY PATIENT IS TREATED.

  10. #3550
    Quote Originally Posted by Deficineiron View Post
    correct. my question stands.
    Normally you are immune to the specific common cold virus(es) you got at least for the season.
    But after a few years you may become less immune - a combination of the virus mutating and your immune system forgetting it - but for many viruses you are still "partially immune"; so the 2nd infection will be lighter.

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    So, Coronavirus has mortality rate higher than swine flu but lower than Ebola. And in order to keep death count low, governments around the world take precautions so drastic that they create an economic crisis.

    Do you guys expect similarly extreme measures every couple years from now on, for future epidemics which will definitely come?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

  12. #3552
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    After talking to a local doctor about the Coronavirus, I have a question I hope someone can answer:
    There were many other disease outbreaks in recent decades: Ebola, bird flu, pig flu off the top of my head. According to an infographic someone posted some pages ago, pig flu had 30x more deaths than Coronavirus. But there was no panic then, no worldwide shutdowns. In my country at the time of pig flu, corrupt politicians used the epidemic to steal some millions from the budget under pretense of vaccine, that was it. No quarantines, some people wore masks, business as usual besides that.

    Why is there such fuss and disruption over a disease outbreak less deadly than previous ones?
    Mostly cause of how it can spread without the infected person showing signs of having it for a long period of time. Hell there are people who were infected without ever showing symptoms and recovered without realizing it. Plus the fatality/complications rate increases as the age bracket increases.
    I feel a bit of the disruption in everyday life is due to the fact that the people most at risk are among the wealthiest and influence people in the world. Hell, look at the USA, all your current candidates for president are in the danger zone

  13. #3553
    Quote Originally Posted by telygroar View Post
    in fact its 2-4%, WHEN EVERY PATIENT IS TREATED.
    It is likely about 1% - when every infected case is detected and confirmed; which isn't the case in many places.

    That's why it's meaningless to look at the number of confirmed cases - too little testing in most countries; and the cases that aren't detected vary over time and between countries making it hard to make meaningful comparisons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    So, Coronavirus has mortality rate higher than swine flu but lower than Ebola. And in order to keep death count low, governments around the world take precautions so drastic that they create an economic crisis.

    Do you guys expect similarly extreme measures every couple years from now on, for future epidemics which will definitely come?
    Its not just the mortality rate. Its the fact it can be transmitted so easily, and often by people who don't show any symptoms. We also dont have any vaccines for it to help prevent the load on the hospitals from being overwhelmed.

  15. #3555
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Could you imagine it on the news and how that would drive more fear?

    185k cases and 105k sick, dead, or not recovered is... not a great stat.

    Italy is doing pretty bad.

    Most of China's deaths were in Hubei 3111 out of 81k cases.

    Italy is sitting on 2158 deaths on 27980 cases.
    In Italy the covid cases are mostly concentrate in one region: Lombardia. Where we got 14.649 positiv to coronavirus and 1.420 deaths.
    We got about 1.377 new sick per day, +202 death per day, +66 in Intensive Care. At this rate our concern is about Intensive Care...

    The virus cause a bad Pneumonia that can triggering acute respiratory distress syndrome and the treatment involves mechanical ventilation in the intensive care unit (ICU). So, the problem is how many sick people your Health System can cure in Intensive Care... If the number of people that require hospitalization or ICU are higher that your Health System can afford, you die and your Health System collapse.

    The perception that people have about Codvid-19 depends on their state of health. If you're lucky it's like a flu, if you're unlucky you die.

    Because US got one of the worse Health System... it's better for you to stay at home and keep you safe. Its' the best think you can do by now.
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  16. #3556
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    Why is there such fuss and disruption over a disease outbreak less deadly than previous ones?
    It's not over yet, so the body count isn't in yet.
    We had a vaccine for swine flu - we don't have one for this one yet.
    It is a pandemi - in contrast to Ebola that have been limited to few countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    After talking to a local doctor about the Coronavirus, I have a question I hope someone can answer:
    There were many other disease outbreaks in recent decades: Ebola, bird flu, pig flu off the top of my head. According to an infographic someone posted some pages ago, pig flu had 30x more deaths than Coronavirus. But there was no panic then, no worldwide shutdowns. In my country at the time of pig flu, corrupt politicians used the epidemic to steal some millions from the budget under pretense of vaccine, that was it. No quarantines, some people wore masks, business as usual besides that.

    Why is there such fuss and disruption over a disease outbreak less deadly than previous ones?
    Bird/Swine flu are only contracted by animals, there's no man-man transition for these. Also a flu virus is common and well-studied, vaccine is easy to make.
    Ebola outbreak happened in Africa, the place least relevant to the world economy/travel/logistics. Coronavirus happened in one of the world's largest logistic hub and also a huge roundabout of people. That makes huge difference

  18. #3558
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    People are incredibly stupid. In my city the college kids are mad their music festival was cancelled so they planning to “storm” downtown and attempt to throw their own party

    In other news, lay offs are beginning in the US. Marriott chain is letting go employees in select cities. The government needs to act immediately and force employers to cover their health care plans until the end of the year or all this staggering is for nothing
    Here is hoping to that the police will break out the water cannons and spray the retards with disinfectant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tartys View Post
    In Italy the covid cases are mostly concentrate in one region: Lombardia. Where we got 14.649 positiv to coronavirus and 1.420 deaths.
    We got about 1.377 new sick per day, +202 death per day, +66 in Intensive Care. At this rate our concern is about Intensive Care...

    The virus cause a bad Pneumonia that can triggering acute respiratory distress syndrome and the treatment involves mechanical ventilation in the intensive care unit (ICU). So, the problem is how many sick people your Health System can cure in Intensive Care... If the number of people that require hospitalization or ICU are higher that your Health System can afford, you die and your Health System collapse.

    The perception that people have about Codvid-19 depends on their state of health. If you're lucky it's like a flu, if you're unlucky you die.

    Because US got one of the worse Health System... it's better for you to stay at home and keep you safe. Its' the best think you can do by now.
    The problem with the US is we have system purely based on profit so hospitals don't build emergency just in case facilities for events that may occur every 10 years. We try to have as little beds as possible.

    While a universal system tends to have a better ratio because they will prepare for the inevitable as it is in the nations best interest.

  20. #3560
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    There’s two strains of COVID-19.
    No, there are 100+ variants of Covid-19, that you can possibly group in 3-4 different groups of variants.

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