Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[Muajin76]

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media...es-sot-vpx.cnn

Conan O'brian says purchasing receipts make a good alternative to TP.

[Gaidax]

Not a matter of being capable to do so, a matter of the consequences involved if it is true. Solidarity and trust will be needed to recover from this if your nation is going full ahead to squander that currency you'll be really left to your own in isolation.

KEKW, what solidarity and trust? You are so bloody naive.

You are talking about solidarity and trust when EU members are blocking medical equipment shipments from each other? It's dog eats dog world, this is the reality. "Solidarity and trust" - you see that solidarity and trust in action in EU, where Italy can't get bloody replacement parts for their ventilation equipment, because its neighbors don't allow to export any.

You just don't see what world you live it, it's every man for himself, when shit hits the fan.


https://www.ft.com/content/d3bc25ea-...3-fe4680ea68b5

Solidarity and trust... fucking joke.

You boys are all screaming solidarity and trust on Sunny day, but here comes the rain and everybody tosses this shit into a garbage bin and slinks to their holes. Even EU - United Europe dream woohoo.

[Skroe]

All I see is "China bad!!!".

Where were other countries when this started? If its all China's fault, why didn't other countries close travel earlier? Why didn't most countries take any measures until this week, which is several months after everything was known?

The only thing you can blame China for is initial response. Virus spreading to other countries and spreading inside those countries is fault of those countries, not China. Months after it all have started and more than enough information was available, countries were still doing jack shit. Some countries are still doing jack shit even today.

China is the villian in this story and they _will_ be held to account.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...mber-rz055qjnj

Chinese scientists destroyed proof of virus in December
hinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

Censors have been rapidly deleting the report from the Chinese internet.

Caixin reported that several genomics companies sequenced the coronavirus by December 27 from samples from patients who had fallen sick in Wuhan.

There was a striking similarity between the new virus and the Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus that killed nearly 800 people in 2002-3. But the news was shared with only a small group of medics and party officials.

The laboratory findings were relayed to officials in Beijing at the Centre for Disease Control (CDC). The information should have alerted national health chiefs to a looming crisis, but on January 3, the National Health Commission, China’s top medical authority, issued its own gagging orders. Laboratories were told not to release any information and to hand over or destroy the samples.

When a CDC team was sent to Wuhan on January 8, it was deliberately not informed that medical staff had already been infected by patients — a clear confirmation that the disease was contagious.

The cover-up was led by officials in Wuhan as provincial party chiefs prepared to gather for an annual meeting. The city then pressed ahead with a pot-luck dinner for 40,000 families to celebrate the lunar new year.

Only on January 20 was it made public, in an interview with Zhong Nanshan, a respiratory health expert who led the fight against Sars, that the disease was spreading between humans.

Wuhan,with a population of 11 million, was put into lockdown on January 23 as the communist authorities finally tried to control the spread of the disease.

https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-e...718a5faab.html

Axios has compiled a timeline of the earliest weeks of the coronavirus outbreak in China, highlighting when the cover-up started and ended — and showing how, during that time, the virus already started spreading around the world, including to the United States.

Why it matters: A study published in March indicated that if Chinese authorities had acted three weeks earlier than they did, the number of coronavirus cases could have been reduced by 95% and its geographic spread limited.

This timeline, compiled from information reported by the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the South China Morning Post and other sources, shows that China's cover-up and the delay in serious measures to contain the virus lasted about three weeks.

Dec. 10: Wei Guixian, one of the earliest known coronavirus patients, starts feeling ill.

Dec. 16: Patient admitted to Wuhan Central Hospital with infection in both lungs but resistant to anti-flu drugs. Staff later learned he worked at a wildlife market connected to the outbreak.

Dec. 27: Wuhan health officials are told that a new coronavirus is causing the illness.

Dec. 30:

Ai Fen, a top director at Wuhan Central Hospital, posts information on WeChat about the new virus. She was reprimanded for doing so and told not to spread information about it.
Wuhan doctor Li Wenliang also shares information on WeChat about the new SARS-like virus. He is called in for questioning shortly afterward.
Wuhan health commission notifies hospitals of a “pneumonia of unclear cause” and orders them to report any related information.
Dec. 31:

Wuhan health officials confirm 27 cases of illness and close a market they think is related to the virus' spread.
China tells the World Health Organization’s China office about the cases of an unknown illness.
Jan. 1: Wuhan Public Security Bureau brings in for questioning eight doctors who had posted information about the illness on WeChat.

Jan. 2: Chinese researchers map the new coronavirus' complete genetic information. This information is not made public until Jan. 9.

Jan. 7: Xi Jinping becomes involved in the response.

Jan. 9: China announces it has mapped the coronavirus genome.

Jan. 11–17: Important prescheduled CCP meeting held in Wuhan. During that time, the Wuhan Health Commission insists there are no new cases.

Jan. 13: First coronavirus case reported in Thailand, the first known case outside China.

Jan. 15: The patient who becomes the first confirmed U.S. case leaves Wuhan and arrives in the U.S., carrying the coronavirus.

Jan. 18:

The Wuhan Health Commission announces four new cases.
Annual Wuhan Lunar New Year banquet. Tens of thousands of people gathered for a potluck.
Jan. 19: Beijing sends epidemiologists to Wuhan.

Jan. 20:

The first case announced in South Korea.
Zhong Nanshan, a top Chinese doctor who is helping to coordinate the coronavirus response, announces the virus can be passed between people.
Jan. 21:

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirms the first coronavirus case in the United States.
CCP flagship newspaper People’s Daily mentions the coronavirus epidemic and Xi's actions to fight it for the first time.
China's top political commission in charge of law and order warns that “anyone who deliberately delays and hides the reporting of [virus] cases out of his or her own self-interest will be nailed on the pillar of shame for eternity."
Jan. 23: Wuhan and three other cities are put on lockdown. Right around this time, approximately 5 million people leave the city without being screened for the illness.

Jan. 24–30: China celebrates the Lunar New Year holiday. Hundreds of millions of people are in transit around the country as they visit relatives.

Jan. 24: China extends the lockdown to cover 36 million people and starts to rapidly build a new hospital in Wuhan. From this point, very strict measures continue to be implemented around the country for the rest of the epidemic.

The bottom line: China is now trying to create a narrative that it's an example of how to handle this crisis when in fact its early actions led to the virus spreading around the globe.

China's cover-up is among the most consequential in modern history. It allowed it to happen. It robbed the Western World of months. The lasting consequence will be is the end any form of globalization that includes China as a key driver of it. It's a single point of failure that finally failed.

[Fuiking]

The dutch government really is not right in their head, i live on the border so basically all measures being taken here are going to be undone because the government over there is going to go for something absurd.
However it is worth noting that factories are closing down over there and the government is footing the bill for a large part. Honestly it is rather confusing what the government of Rutte is even trying to achieve here.

And yes the UK officially backed away from the idea BUT they are still not really closing things down they are "considering it" and not taking action at this point, what is for me saying they don't want it to spread but they are actually letting it spread. I mean do you expect anything else from a political party that doesn't care if buildings burn down with their citizens in it?

totally agree with you, im highly frustrated by the ''lakse houding'' of the dutch goverment.. how to create a red zone/become a paria in the world.

[Acidbaron]

KEKW, what solidarity and trust? You are so bloody naive.

You are talking about solidarity and trust when EU members are blocking medical equipment shipments from each other? It's dog eats dog world, this is the reality. "Solidarity and trust" - you see that solidarity and trust in action in EU, where Italy can't get bloody replacement parts for their ventilation equipment, because its neighbors don't allow to export any.

You just don't see what world you live it, it's every man for himself, when shit hits the fan.


https://www.ft.com/content/d3bc25ea-...3-fe4680ea68b5

Solidarity and trust... fucking joke.

You boys are all screaming solidarity and trust on Sunny day, but here comes the rain and everybody tosses this shit into a garbage bin and slinks to their holes. Even EU - United Europe dream woohoo.

Talking about afterwards and there will be fallout over that also i find the response from the EU far to civil, keeping materials is one thing stealing is a whole different ball game but we shall see in months to come. No need to link the times to me i am well aware of what is happening.

I did not expect you to own up what your nation is doing wrong however, you never do.

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China is the villian in this story and they _will_ be held to account.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...mber-rz055qjnj



https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-e...718a5faab.html




China's cover-up is among the most consequential in modern history. It allowed it to happen. It robbed the Western World of months. The lasting consequence will be is the end any form of globalization that includes China as a key driver of it. It's a single point of failure that finally failed.

How bad as they are, would you argue if we knew more, were informed better we would have acted better? I would say no, our governments would not have.
Because what actually changed since the last SARS outbreak?

[Vorkreist]

China is the villian in this story and they _will_ be held to account.

What could anyone do about it? Send Xi Ping a strongly worded letter?

[Ihavewaffles]

China is the villian in this story and they _will_ be held to account.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...mber-rz055qjnj



https://www.axios.com/timeline-the-e...718a5faab.html




China's cover-up is among the most consequential in modern history. It allowed it to happen. It robbed the Western World of months. The lasting consequence will be is the end any form of globalization that includes China as a key driver of it. It's a single point of failure that finally failed.

Capitalism is too greedy to properly punish china like they deserve...

[Gaidax]

Talking about afterwards and there will be fallout over that also i find the response from the EU far to civil, keeping materials is one thing stealing is a whole different ball game but we shall see in months to come. No need to link the times to me i am well aware of what is happening.

I did not expect you to own up what your nation is doing wrong however, you never do.

I don't give a fuck about your feels and your useless virtue signalling.

Fact is - those who are prepared by all means necessary, deal with this fine. Those who instead prefer to play a concerto on the drowning ship understaffed on lifeboats - die and at best get a movie about their bravery a century down the road.

This is exactly why everyone is bunkering up and hoarding medical equipment - Germany, France - you name it, you know all these countries that act all high, mighty and righteous at every opportunity.

Your shitty virtue signalling can't help battling the virus, the virus does not give a damn about morals. Medical equipment, on the other hand, can actually help. And if Mossad needs to fucking smuggle it, so we are covered, so be it. It's not like your virtuous and just defenders of humanity countries are sharing any - they are as much of the dicks as any the moment shit hits the fan.

So there you have it.

[Coldkil]

It is only going to work if everyone complies, not just towns but whole nations since someone from elsewhere can easily start another cluster.

Basically this. I'm waiting for the peak in my region to be reached, then to watch the other regions reach it some days after.

The biggest problem right now is that the hospital personnel is getting more and more infected due to obvious much higher contact with infected people and 0% risk simply doesn't exist.

Story from yesterday, a small cluster of villages in the mountains has ALL the doctors infected so they had to send military ones, plus a lot of the population. The reason? When the infection was spreading, lots of people went there because it's a vacation/skiing location, and basically everyone was clustered. Now all the tourists are gone because of the government decrees and the original population is infected.

PEOPLE.

[Voidwielder]

I hope this breaks and destroys the last bits of the EU delusion, with the currency as well.

It has been failing since 2008 and it does not deserve to survive this. Move on and make new transnational agreements that are in sync with the reality we live in.

[Gaidax]

Capitalism is too greedy to properly punish china like they deserve...

This is likely what will happen. China will just throw money at it and everyone will shut up like the good sheep they are.

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First deal with Trump. Promises that Trump will go down and will be held accountable are now nothing but memes at this point. Just like the rest of nonsense you post. Empty words.

Trump is finished, where before he had a decent chance to be reelected, now he is done for for sure.

[Acidbaron]

I don't give a fuck about your feels and your useless virtue signalling.

Fact is - those who are prepared by all means necessary, deal with this fine. Those who instead prefer to play a concerto on the drowning ship - die and at best get a movie about their bravery a century down the road.

This is exactly why everyone is bunkering up and hoarding medical equipment - Germany, France - you name it. Your shitty virtue signalling can't help battling the virus, the virus does not give a damn about morals. Medical equipment, on the other hand, can actually help.

So there you have it.

You are celebrating stealing medical goods from other nations and you do care about others opinions about this as why would you even boast about it. Call it whatever you like, remember what goes around comes around. Than again you have been caught celebrating other crimes before in the name of Israel, so this is hardly out of character for you.

Thank you for confirming the stereotype image people have i suppose? Not going to get dragged further into a back and forth like you did with someone else the other day.

Enjoy the increase in anti-Semitism? *shrug*

[Gaidax]

You are celebrating stealing medical goods from other nations and you do care about others opinions about this as why would you even boast about it. Call it whatever you like, remember what goes around comes around. Than again you have been caught celebrating other crimes before in the name of Israel, so this is hardly out of character for you.

Thank you for confirming the stereotype image people have i suppose? Not going to get dragged further into a back and forth like you did with someone else the other day.

Enjoy the increase in anti-Semitism? *shrug*

Couldn't give a rat's ass about you feels.

There will be antisemitism always, because you retards are always looking for "dem joos" to blame for your incompetence and naivete. I stopped caring about that crap long ago.

You should be more concerned about your fellow EU "solidarity and trust" neighbors blocking medical supplies to you once your health system starts to collapse on itself. But I bet you will come out with this appeal to humanity crap to Germany too, maybe they will feel some pity and toss you a test kit or two.
[Infraction]

[Deja Thoris]

Couldn't give a rat's ass about you feels.

There will be antisemitism always, because you retards are always looking for "dem joos" to blame for your incompetence and naivete. I stopped caring about that crap long ago.

You should be more concerned about your fellow EU neighbors blocking medical aid to you once your health system starts to collapse on itself. But I bet you will come out with this appeal to humanity crap to Germany too, maybe they will feel some pity and toss you a test kit or two.

I always appreciate the irony of how you lot always cry foul about injustices towards you but then gleefully perpetrate and celebrate when you inflict them on others.

[Pannonian]

Couldn't give a rat's ass about you feels.

There will be antisemitism always, because you retards are always looking for "dem joos" to blame for your incompetence and naivete. I stopped caring about that crap long ago.

You should be more concerned about your fellow EU "solidarity and trust" neighbors blocking medical supplies to you once your health system starts to collapse on itself. But I bet you will come out with this appeal to humanity crap to Germany too, maybe they will feel some pity and toss you a test kit or two.

Same as the chinese didn't give a rat's ass about you feels.

For all the bravado spilled here, after everything is said and done, China will ask: "Do you want to trade?" and we all will bow down and relax.

[Gaidax]

I always appreciate the irony of how you lot always cry foul about injustices towards you but then gleefully perpetrate and celebrate when you inflict them on others.

Learning from your example, buddy. EU is the guidebook on this nowadays and it's all the sweeter seeing their bullshit collapse on itself yet again. Did you guys throw Italy to wolves completely yet, or you still pretend you are in this together?

[Acidbaron]

I always appreciate the irony of how you lot always cry foul about injustices towards you but then gleefully perpetrate and celebrate when you inflict them on others.

Best to ignore and move on really, he's just looking for a fight.

Just know that those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Gaidax]

Same as the chinese didn't give a rat's ass about you feels.

For all the bravado spilled here, after everything is said and done, China will ask: "Do you want to trade?" and we all will bow down and relax.

Yes, that's how world works. It's just a wake up call for everyone - in time of emergency you need to be prepared, not hoping for miracles and neighbor's goodwill.

[Deja Thoris]

Learning from your example, buddy. EU is the guidebook on this nowadays and it's all the sweeter seeing their bullshit collapse on itself yet again. Did you guys throw Italy to wolves completely yet, or you still pretend you are in this together?

Who said, I'm from the EU "buddy"? And 2 wrongs making a right and all of that? Just admit and revel in the fact that you pretend to be all pious but you're morally bankrupt.

[Skroe]

Talking about afterwards and there will be fallout over that also i find the response from the EU far to civil, keeping materials is one thing stealing is a whole different ball game but we shall see in months to come. No need to link the times to me i am well aware of what is happening.

I did not expect you to own up what your nation is doing wrong however, you never do.

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How bad as they are, would you argue if we knew more, were informed better we would have acted better? I would say no, our governments would not have.
Because what actually changed since the last SARS outbreak?

The incompetence of our governments does not mitigate the epic scope of their criminal behavior in this. They are two separate issues. China had a humanitarian duty to raise the alarm, and instead they did what authoritarian regimes ALWAYS do, which is first view bad news through the prism of what it means to the regime's fortunes.

And moreover China has been warned about how their Wet markets have been breeding grounds for this sort of stuff for years. And they have done nothing. They play their games about Western Imperialism. Even do this day, they are emphasizing "Traditional Chinese Medicine" as a Chinese way to mitigate the symptoms of the Wuhan Virus. TCM as we know it is more Chinese communist party bullshit. It was created in its current form by Mao and the Communist Party in the 1950s as a domestic alternative to Western-style medicine. It was a Socialist-Cultural supremacy thing. And these Wet markets exist principally because of TCM.

The very thing they are promoting on an ongoing basis - a circumstance that they themselves created - is the source of the ailment. Do you see the irony?

Between the decade of global hack attacks, the illegal island building, the theft of IP, enough with this goddamn communist government. Americans and Europeans are dying now because of the games they play. And them propagandizing that the US Army brought it to Wuhan? More games.

So the jig is up. I've been saying on these forums for two years that the New Cold War is here. Well, the past bit has been the opening trailers and now we're all living the thunderclap at the start of Act I.

By the end of this the world will be cleaved into two spheres: the US sphere and the Chinese sphere. And globalization as we know it, including freedom of travel and global tech, is never coming