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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaktar View Post
    India called me, said they were doing okay, but worried.

    Seriously though, it doesn't look too bad there yet, but I have to think it will get very bad. It's also probably looking better than it is because I don't think they're testing much. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    Lol.

    Damn - if they aren't testing...that's bad. BAD. India has multiple cities with millions+ populations that are struggling to get enough water - in some cases it has to be shipped in on a daily basis. If (when?) COVID19 starts spreading, it's going to go like wildfire.

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    Idk, man... I haven’t been getting a lot of scam calls lately.
    Too soon....

    Could get bad there. I wouldn't be surprised if it already bad, and they are just suppressing the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deficineiron View Post
    without knowing testing methodology etc in various states, it is hard to evaluate just how infected south LA is. that said, as we have discussed, mardi gras was an obvious superspreader event and these infections may date from around then.

    of greater concern is the per-capita death toll, just eyeballing things, LA looks high. but once again it is early and accounting methodology varies state by state. if deaths are accurately counted, it is a much more reliable indicator than testing/confirmed, at least as a snapshot of infection a few weeks past.

    have you heard of anyone being issued 'travel permission' papers in louisiana?
    I have not, so far. We started restricting access to our lobby this morning (finally), so I think I interacted with about 5 people today. Which I'm fine with - motherfuckers keep coming in visibly ill and it's just mind-boggling.

    I'm in a group on Facebook where one girl is asking for advice on where to hold her 50 person wedding. Anyone who points out what a completely irresponsible thing it is to hold a wedding right now (oh, and she's pregnant, too!) is being told they're "mean."
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeatherRae View Post
    I have not, so far. We started restricting access to our lobby this morning (finally), so I think I interacted with about 5 people today. Which I'm fine with - motherfuckers keep coming in visibly ill and it's just mind-boggling.

    I'm in a group on Facebook where one girl is asking for advice on where to hold her 50 person wedding. Anyone who points out what a completely irresponsible thing it is to hold a wedding right now (oh, and she's pregnant, too!) is being told they're "mean."
    Fucking seriously? She's saying they are "mean"? I guess we'll see a nice uptick in the median IQ when this plays out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Lol.

    Damn - if they aren't testing...that's bad. BAD. India has multiple cities with millions+ populations that are struggling to get enough water - in some cases it has to be shipped in on a daily basis. If (when?) COVID19 starts spreading, it's going to go like wildfire.
    Yup. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/...040314568.html

    Indian authorities have said they will not expand coronavirus testing, as most affected nations are doing, despite criticism that limited testing could leave COVID-19 cases undetected in the world's second-most populous country...

    India is conducting only about 90 tests a day, despite having the capacity for as many as 8,000. So far, 11,500 people have been tested, according to The Associated Press.

    Balaram Bharghava, who heads the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR), the country's top medical research body, said the guidance was "premature" for India, where community transmission has not yet been detected.

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    So, $1,200 per person up to $75,000, then -$5 for every $100 over $75,000. Double for couples.

    Minimum buy-in of $2,500 earned income in 2018, and only $600 at that income level.

    https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/stat...50290321772545


    It's already on it's way to get worked on, no way it goes out the door like that, particularly the phase-in portion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    So, $1,200 per person up to $75,000, then -$5 for every $100 over $75,000. Double for couples.

    Minimum buy-in of $2,500 earned income in 2018, and only $600 at that income level.

    https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/stat...50290321772545


    It's already on it's way to get worked on, no way it goes out the door like that, particularly the phase-in portion.
    why not just give every adult the national living wage (assuming you have one in US?) for the next six months??

    Better to pay now and still have an economy in six months time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poe View Post
    Not surprised.

    The entire state of New York will follow (if they haven't already )
    It was inevitable really. The entire Bay area was ordered to a few days ago. Then today both Sacramento and Los Angeles were ordered to. So the governor just made it state wide instead of having each county have to do it individually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    why not just give every adult the national living wage (assuming you have one in US?) for the next six months??

    Better to pay now and still have an economy in six months time.
    There will be a economy regardless... I don't think giving people money they haven't earned is wise simply supply then with food,shelter,and power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysensible View Post
    why not just give every adult the national living wage (assuming you have one in US?) for the next six months??

    Better to pay now and still have an economy in six months time.
    Interesting - is any country doing this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    According to the Hospitalization Statistics, Plenty of Young Adults had to go to the hospital because of the Virus to get Ventilators etc... In fact it seems that a good amount of cases in American Hospitalizations because of the Virus were young people.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/18/h...ng-people.html
    This report, and the included image, are borderline atrocious. This is so poorly constructed, seemingly for the purpose of making headlines (with incorrect numbers) to scare the younger generations.

    The given age range of 20-44 is a span of 24 years, whereas the older age brackets in the study are of 9 year ranges.
    • 0-19: 123 cases, 2% hospitalization, no ICU, no death
    • 20-44: 705 cases, 20% hospitalization, 4% ICU, .2% death
    • 45-54: 429 cases, 28% hospitalization, 10% ICU, .8% death
    • 55-64: 429 cases, 30% hospitalization, 11% ICU, 2.6% death
    • 65-74: 409 cases, 43% hospitalization, 18% ICU, 4.9% death
    • 75-84: 210 cases, 58% hospitalization, 31% ICU, 10.5% death
    • 84+: 144 cases, 70% hospitalization, 29% ICU, 27.3% death

    It would have been helpful and more truthful to break up the 20-44 bracket into smaller segments. Better yet, divide them all into five year brackets for more accuracy. When does the number really start to climb after age 19?

    I do not see how scaring millennials like this is a good thing.
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    so just came across this article
    34yr old dies from corona after visiting disney world in florida. he did have underlying health conditions but he was still young so young people need to stop acting like they're invincible!

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...dcy-story.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    This report, and the included image, are borderline atrocious. This is so poorly constructed, seemingly for the purpose of making headlines (with incorrect numbers) to scare the younger generations.

    The given age range of 20-44 is a span of 24 years, whereas the older age brackets in the study are of 9 year ranges.
    • 0-19: 123 cases, 2% hospitalization, no ICU, no death
    • 20-44: 705 cases, 20% hospitalization, 4% ICU, .2% death
    • 45-54: 429 cases, 28% hospitalization, 10% ICU, .8% death
    • 55-64: 429 cases, 30% hospitalization, 11% ICU, 2.6% death
    • 65-74: 409 cases, 43% hospitalization, 18% ICU, 4.9% death
    • 75-84: 210 cases, 58% hospitalization, 31% ICU, 10.5% death
    • 84+: 144 cases, 70% hospitalization, 29% ICU, 27.3% death

    It would have been helpful and more truthful to break up the 20-44 bracket into smaller segments. Better yet, divide them all into five year brackets for more accuracy. When does the number really start to climb after age 19?

    I do not see how scaring millennials like this is a good thing.
    To try and show them it is a serious matter and try and run some kind of damage control on their " it's just a flu bro" campaign they did weeks earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    I do not see how scaring millennials like this is a good thing.
    It's not, Millennials are about 25-39 years old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    This report, and the included image, are borderline atrocious. This is so poorly constructed, seemingly for the purpose of making headlines (with incorrect numbers) to scare the younger generations.

    It would have been helpful and more truthful to break up the 20-44 bracket into smaller segments. Better yet, divide them all into five year brackets for more accuracy. When does the number really start to climb after age 19?
    The Numbers are directly from the CDC

    All indicate that Hospitalizations for people 44-20 and younger make up 20% of Hospitalizations.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/40-hospita...ry?id=69681304
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-new-cdc-data/
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/19/people...-patients-cdc/
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/healt...ims/index.html
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/yo...us/ar-BB11nGEB
    https://ktla.com/news/coronavirus/yo...pitalizations/
    https://www.news-journalonline.com/z...breakers-party
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rt/2874271001/

    From the CDC


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeth Hawkins View Post
    This report, and the included image, are borderline atrocious. This is so poorly constructed, seemingly for the purpose of making headlines (with incorrect numbers) to scare the younger generations.
    The numbers are not incorrect. And they literally come from the report.
    Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 26% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years.

    Among 121 patients known to have been admitted to an ICU, 7% of cases were reported among adults ≥85 years, 46% among adults aged 65–84 years, 36% among adults aged 45–64 years, and 12% among adults aged 20–44 years.
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    Here is what it's like in China, and also a few blurbs about what life is like in a post-corona virus world.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...FrP?li=BBnbcA1

    Title: World Feared China Over Coronavirus. Now the Tables Are Turned.

    The gist of the article is that the roles of China and the US are reversed, combined with some interesting tidbits about how the world might be in the US once we get to where China is now.

    Across Asia, travelers from Europe and the United States are being barred or forced into quarantine. Gyms, private clinics and restaurants in Hong Kong warn them to stay away. Even Chinese parents who proudly sent their children to study in New York or London are now mailing them masks and sanitizer or rushing them home on flights that can cost $25,000.

    “We came back because we think going back to China is safer than staying in New York,” said Farrah Lyu, a 24-year-old recent college graduate who flew home to eastern China with her roommate this month.
    Basically, at this time, China is safer than many places in the US. MUCH safer than the cities in US that have been hardest hit.

    Now the pandemic that originated in China is migrating and starting to recirculate. Across Asia, where Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea successfully grappled with the virus early, alongside China, there is a growing sense of fear and dismay. Much of the region looks west and asks: We’re getting it right — why can’t you?
    People throughout all of SE Asia, not just China, are wondering why the west is doing so poorly in dealing with this.

    Especially in China and the Chinese diaspora, there is a growing demand for recognition of the hard work and sacrifices that tamed the outbreak, and a desire to tell the world what has gone right and wrong, and why.
    I would prefer that people in the US spent more time getting things fixed in the US rather than insisting that our number one goal is to punish China for the mistakes that they made. We have made huge mistakes too, and that was AFTER both China and South Korea had started dealing with the virus, and we DID have sufficient time to deal with it before it got bad here. We just refused to prepare.

    We also may end up needing China a lot more than they need us. We STILL aren't able to provide enough masks or testing kits.

    Similar arguments are flooding Chinese social media. One popular comic shows China sick as the world watches behind a glass barrier, followed by a panel with an angry, healthy China behind the glass as other countries play and tussle without masks like unruly children.
    The US media has distributed quite a few images of Americans at spring break in Florida, attending concerts, and at other large gatherings. Images of Americans in groups drinking Corona beer to mock the virus have also been distributed. These images are also being viewed world wide, and it does not make the US look very good.

    In the United States and Europe, there was more hesitation. And now they are hubs of infection sending disease across the globe. In Australia, the United States is now the leading source of coronavirus cases, followed by Italy, then China.
    Australia gets more cases of the virus from the US than any other country. We blame China and then punish Australia?

    “I hope China can tighten its national borders and significantly reduce the number of people entering the country,” said Tang Xiaozhao, a plastic surgery manager in Shanghai.
    I think most, if not all, countries, will be taking many more actions to tighten up their borders. This will substantially change the way the world works in ways, some good some bad, that we can't even begin to predict.

    At home in China, they said, they felt safer. They self-quarantined in their rooms, with their parents leaving food and novels at their bedroom doors.

    Their groceries were delivered and even their trash was collected and treated by hospital employees in hazmat suits.

    “Everything was planned,” Ms. Lyu said. “We don’t have to worry about everything.”
    This describes what a total lock down would entail. We may very well end up taking on many of these actions ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    From the CDC

    I take it the ranges in percentage correlate to the given age limits? (20 y.o. ~ 14.3%)? Because that would mean one hell of a leap from age 19 to the age 20 group. Is this schools being closed down working like a charme or is there some other underlying explanation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I take it the ranges in percentage correlate to the given age limits? (20 y.o. ~ 14.3%)? Because that would mean one hell of a leap from age 19 to the age 20 group.
    Those numbers are even higher than what outlets reported earlier. They were saying under 55 was at ~20%. Collectively its at 48%. 20% for 20-44 by itself is huge.


    Also think the numbers are the jump between Feb and March? Maybe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post

    People throughout all of SE Asia, not just China, are wondering why the west is doing so poorly in dealing with this.
    China is East Asia, so is Taiwan and South Korea. Singapore is in Southeast Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinro View Post
    China is East Asia, so is Taiwan and South Korea. Singapore is in Southeast Asia.
    Thank you for clarification. All this time I thought of China, Taiwan, and Korea as being "SE Asia".

    How wrong I was.

    While we are on the subject, what region is India and Bangladesh considered a part of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega10 View Post
    Here is what it's like in China...
    What an incredibly disingenuous post.

    a) Very little time is spent finger pointing compared to fighting the disaster which is unfolding

    b) The review of how and why our society could have done better will be thorough

    c) The review of how much to trust the Chinese government after their poor practices and lies instigated a global catastrophe will be thorough as well

    d) Given those lies, we are meant to trust their reporting now?

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