Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[markos82]

No unless you're talking about the field of mathematics then our theories about what is true can never have proof. You simply have to conjecture explanations regarding what actions and policies account for observational data and discrepancies.

Or the virus could have mutated to be more virulant and deadly?

[Bethanie]

If you can work at home right now...you should absolutely work at home right now. If you aren't working at home when you clearly have the ability to do so...you are one of the people that isn't taking this seriously enough.

Personally I can't work at home, my job can only be undertaken at work, so I don't have any choice. Though I do wonder about all the people that are working at home, wouldn't undertaking your employers business in your domestic residence invalidate any buildings and content insurance they might have?

Would employees be required to take out business insurance and maybe even public liability insurance?

Still I'm sure insurance companies wouldn't at all be unscrupulous and abuse the current situation to get out of paying any claims

[PhaelixWW]

No it does not. Learn to read.

Lulz. Take your own advice, champ.

Here, I'll make it easy for you:

Stat 1:

Among 508 (12%) patients known to have been hospitalized, 9% were aged ≥85 years, 36% were aged 65–84 years, 17% were aged 55–64 years, 18% were 45–54 years, and 20% were aged 20–44 years.

Stat 2:


The quote is from earlier in the report, and says that 20% of hospitalizations were aged 20-44. The second is the table which shows that ~20% of the people aged 20-44 (with known hospitalization status) were hospitalized.

That is, as I said, both. Mathematically, that means there were 101 people aged 20-44 who were hospitalized.

[Fuiking]

It wasn't covid-19 for two reasons:

The first and obvious is that the number of cases didn't take off as they do now.

The second is that we have traced the genealogy of a large number of samples - and the variants infecting most of Europe began diverging around January 10th - with the first detections at end of January in Shanghai China and Bavaria Germany.

That we have so few detection of that strand between January 10th and end of February is very worrying; indicating that testing and tracing didn't work in parts of Europe.

Fair enough I geuss.. Not that I expected it to be Covid-19. All I get out of some rumors like that, is that it might have been around longer then we know.. But your right that its wierd cases didnt take off.. Unless it was termed a bad case of the flu. But im no doctor so i got no clue if thats even possible.

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Yep, at best the end of next week it is going to maybe flat out. Thank god we have a good healthcare infrastructure.

Dutch one is already collapsing... specially in the south.

[markos82]

Well latest news here ( Serbia) is about 170 cases 1 death. Tomorrow probably some 200 and maybe one more dead. The person that died was 59 years old, diabetic, had some other illnesses and so on.
From tomorrow police curfew will be from 5pm to 7am and if people still.continue to go go outside from 1pm to 7am and next action will be. 24 hour lock down.

[Tuor]

It does Contain some interesting parts.

However, it is by Tomas Pueyo, MBA - not a specialist in epidemiology. "Anyone can publish on Medium per our Policies, but we don’t fact-check every story."

Some of his assumptions are therefore questionable - e.g. he mentions the mutations into L and S-strands regarding the immunity - but since that doesn't change the surface of the virus it seems unlikely that immunity is impacted. Others seems more likely to be correct - but we don't know.

Read the coments on that article, it seems he has some epidemiologists subscriving that article.

Also he seems to be correct about how China managed to control that thing, acording to some local newspapers (portuguese) i've read chinese authorities controled that thing in just 12 days.

[Acidbaron]

Fair enough I geuss.. Not that I expected it to be Covid-19. All I get out of some rumors like that, is that it might have been around longer then we know.. But your right that its wierd cases didnt take off.. Unless it was termed a bad case of the flu. But im no doctor so i got no clue if thats even possible.

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Dutch one is already collapsing... specially in the south.

My region, Limburg Dutch and Belgian is being hit particularly hard. Glad we closed our borders yesterday.

Rutte's government is not going to survive this regardless with the amount of money they pump in (we are getting full pay in NL for a month)

[Inuyaki]

Edit
nevermind, misread, you are correct...


This was originally a post quoting PhaelixWW

[PhaelixWW]

EDIT: retracted after your retraction, lol.

[Egomaniac]

I will be fired, and I have a mortgage. I have used almost all of my sick days, and I need the rest for if I actually get sick and have to self quarantine. I have written HR, Board of Directors, and everything else that wouldn't put my job in Jeopardy. So spare me your pontificating.

If you can't work from home without being fired...then you do not have the ability to work from home and my statement would not apply to you.

Your statement was phrased in such a way that it led me to believe you had the ability to work from home and were instead choosing to go to work anyway.

[Zan15]

Italy reports another 793 deaths in past day in world's worst coronavirus crisis
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/stat...10477504237568

Guess we can put to bed that this is nothing like the "yearly flu" unless someone has a report where close to a 800 people died in 1 country in 1 day because of the flu.?

[Easo]

More than 300k cases now, has been growing rapidly in the last few days. I guess we cant hope for Chinas case of reduced cases and will see a million after all?

[Puupi]

More than 300k cases now, has been growing rapidly in the last few days. I guess we cant hope for Chinas case of reduced cases and will see a million after all?

The epidemic has just started picking up wind in everywhere else but east asia. This is only the beginning....

[cubby]

Looks like Trump knew about it for weeks and couldn't be bothered to help the country.

I am Jack's Shocked Expression.

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More than 300k cases now, has been growing rapidly in the last few days. I guess we cant hope for Chinas case of reduced cases and will see a million after all?

Well see a billion cases, minimum, before "it's all over".

[Deletedaccount1]

The quote is from earlier in the report, and says that 20% of hospitalizations were aged 20-44. The second is the table which shows that ~20% of the people aged 20-44 (with known hospitalization status) were hospitalized.

That is, as I said, both. Mathematically, that means there were 101 people aged 20-44 who were hospitalized.

Which is a worthless statistic by any measure, including by the CDC's admission, when the actual number of cases is at least 7 to 20 times the number of confirmed cases. Cases that are confirmed are usually from people who went to the hospital in the first place, not people in that age group who never got tested because they were either asymptomatic or not sick enough to need to be tested. So if the total number of people who had/have it is say 10 times the number of confirmed cases that would make the hospitalization rate in that age group 1.4-2% not 14-20%.

But the media started blowing that number up anyway when it is just a flat out lie to say that 20% of people between 20-44 who catch it need to be hospitalized. I am not a base rater, I think this disease is not being taken seriously enough by the general public but playing number games to scare people just makes people distrustful of the news and the government.

[Egomaniac]

I have the ability, I do not have the authorization. Like if it's a snow day I would work from home. The problem is those in charge are mixed at best with their response. I suspect they'll move to essential employees only next week, but I can only guess at this point.

But you are not "choosing" to go to work...you have no choice in the matter if you want to keep your employment at this time.

I'll say your employers are being irresponsible though if they know you can do your job from home and are still forcing you to come in.

[Easo]

Well see a billion cases, minimum, before "it's all over".

I dont think we will detect that much, oficially at least.

[Egomaniac]

Well see a billion cases, minimum, before "it's all over".

We'll never actually know how many cases there will have been before it's all over. Most of us that get it will never have been tested.

[Poopymonster]

But you are not "choosing" to go to work...you have no choice in the matter if you want to keep your employment at this time.

I'll say your employers are being irresponsible though if they know you can do your job from home and are still forcing you to come in.

Comrade Egomaniac, are you finding trouble with Glorious Capitalist Society?

[markos82]

Looks like Trump knew about it for weeks and couldn't be bothered to help the country.

I am Jack's Shocked Expression.

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Well see a billion cases, minimum, before "it's all over".

Throwing random numbers, yup....