Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[szechuan]

Maybe, but at least it won't be tens of millions in case of US, then.

Mostly because of Trump and not the States you mentioned.

[Zaktar]

Oh yeah, a lot of governors have done better then him for sure. Republican and Democrat. Though Democrat's have done a lot better than Republicans, some of whom have still done nothing, like Trump, or actively trying to make it worse like the Mississippi gov.

Yeah, well, I'd love to say that the American people will learn the right lessons from this but......

Well, really, taking my negative nancy hat off for a second, I really do hope we learn the right lessons and only vote adults into important offices for the next couple of generations at minimum.

[Gaidax]

Yeah, well, I'd love to say that the American people will learn the right lessons from this but......

Well, really, taking my negative nancy hat off for a second, I really do hope we learn the right lessons and only vote adults into important offices for the next couple of generations at minimum.

JayZ 2024.

I remember back in 2016 lecturing my gf how there is no way Americans are so dumb as to elect Donald Trump of all things to be the president.

Boy did I regret that later on, she sure got her share of fun out of it.

[beanman12345]

Yeah, well, I'd love to say that the American people will learn the right lessons from this but......

Well, really, taking my negative nancy hat off for a second, I really do hope we learn the right lessons and only vote adults into important offices for the next couple of generations at minimum.

Idk, I've lost a lot of faith in humanity from this, and I didn't have much faith to begin with. And it's not just here in the states, Mexico is still business as usual packed streets in the cities, not even testing people.

[szechuan]

We're certainly not about to become Spain or Italy, so there's that at least.

Is that why you also don't/won't have enough Ventilators?



https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Be...d-of-us-622327

Is that why Israel with a population of 8.8 million are having Huge Rise in cases of people infected Per Day? Washington also had about 248 new infections on Tuesday while Israel recently almost had twice the amount.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...ngle-day-jump/

while we might just make it to become new South Korea.

Is that why S. Korea with over 7-8 times the population compared to Israel was able to Contain and Test to a point where they only have about 64 new cases?


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52001837

Seems like Israel is just as bad as Other countries.

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What, the contagious nature of Coronavirus was some sort of mystery back then?

Is that why States like CA Mandated This kind of Lock down much Earlier then Israel? Seems like you should Start asking your PM for his Head like you said with the States you mentioned.




https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israe...transportation

[bmjclark]

If the trends keep up, the US will surpass Italy in reported cases (not active cases, that already happened) tomorrow and they'll pass China on Friday. It blows my mind that people approve of Trumps handling of this.

[Daelak]

If the trends keep up, the US will surpass Italy in reported cases (not active cases, that already happened) tomorrow and they'll pass China on Friday. It blows my mind that people approve of Trumps handling of this.

Don't worry, once the piece of shit conservative mediums (cable, blogs, radio) realize that their distortion of actual PSAs from our nation's foremost public health and military officers, these motherfuckers will do what they always do; scurry back to their shitholes and/or shift their messaging to a more conciliatory albeit temporary tone until after the peak.

Never, ever, ever take what a conservative, online, in government, or on the radio at face value. Their number one goal is the destruction of democratic ideals and the ensuing consolidation of power to enact brutal authoritarian policies.

[Kaleredar]

I remember back in 2016 lecturing my gf how there is no way Americans are so dumb as to elect Donald Trump of all things to be the president.

Americans didn't elect Donald Trump.

The electoral college elected Donald Trump; millions more Americans wanted Hillary to be president than Trump.

[Omega10]

Maybe, but at least it won't be tens of millions in case of US, then.

We're certainly not about to become Spain or Italy, so there's that at least. Can you be sure about US on that front?

OK let's go to the numbers.

Israel has roughly 7-8 million population, according to this thread. Let's look at individual US States with approximately the same population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

State and Population:

Indiana 6.7 million
Tennessee 6.8 million
Massachusetts 6.9 million
Arizona 7.3 million
Washington 7.6 million
Virgina 8.5 million
New Jersey 8.9 million
Michigan 10.0 million

I hope I got those numbers correct.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-...on-by-country/

Israel 8.7 million (oops more than 8 million, maybe I remembered it wrong)

Now on to the MSN virus tracker

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus

State - Active Cases - Deaths

IN 463 14
TN 781 3
MA 1822 15
AZ 395 6
WA 2448 132
VA 381 9
NJ 4335 65
MI 2251 43

Israel 2306 5

Keep in mind: India 553 10
India is going into full lockdown. Their numbers are likely to be underestimated by orders of magnitude.

Based on these numbers, it seems that Israel compares favorably with 3 states, and not so good compared with the rest. On the other hand, I'm not sure how reliable the numbers of Virginia or Arizona are.

My personal conclusion is: I have absolutely no idea.

From what I can tell, China really did seem to mostly beat the virus. South Korea did EXCEPTIONALLY well. Other than that, so little testing has been done worldwide that there is no way to know what the real numbers are for other countries and how comparable they are. Is Florida really as low as 1954 active cases and 23 deaths with a population of 21 million? Possibly, but I am skeptical.

What a frustrating situation.

[szechuan]

OK let's go to the numbers.

Israel has roughly 7-8 million population, according to this thread. Let's look at individual US States with approximately the same population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_population

State and Population:

Indiana 6.7 million
Tennessee 6.8 million
Massachusetts 6.9 million
Arizona 7.3 million
Washington 7.6 million
Virgina 8.5 million
New Jersey 8.9 million
Michigan 10.0 million

I hope I got those numbers correct.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-...on-by-country/

Israel 8.7 million (oops more than 8 million, maybe I remembered it wrong)

Now on to the MSN virus tracker

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/coronavirus

Based on these numbers, it seems that Israel compares favorably with 3 states, and not so good compared with the rest. On the other hand, I'm not sure how reliable the numbers of Virginia or Arizona are.

My personal conclusion is: I have absolutely no idea.

From what I can tell, China really did seem to mostly beat the virus. South Korea did EXCEPTIONALLY well. Other than that, so little testing has been done worldwide that there is no way to know what the real numbers are for other countries and how comparable they are. Is Florida really as low as 1954 active cases and 23 deaths with a population of 21 million? Possibly, but I am skeptical.

What a frustrating situation.

Washington has a Similar POP compared to Israel and only had about 248 new cases Recently which are more then how many new cases are being found in Israel Recently.

[bmjclark]

Canada's numbers are actually surprisingly low, and this is with Quebec's numbers apparently counting "suspected" cases. A relatively low population density probably helps with that.

[Pipebomb]

Maybe, but at least it won't be tens of millions in case of US, then.

We're certainly not about to become Spain or Italy, so there's that at least. Can you be sure about US on that front?

Give us back our $4,000,000,000 foreign aid.

[Omega10]

Washington has a Similar POP compared to Israel and only had about 248 new cases Recently which are more then how many new cases are being found in Israel Recently.

The state of Washington started out as the hardest hit state. It is now 4th I think and slowly dropping down the list. The state of Washington seems to have done a pretty good job of containment comparatively. Of course, that is still over 2k cases

[Knaar]

Are you guys really fighting over the number of *infected* people? Really now? Have you not realized already that there is well over a million infected in the usa already and most likely well over 10M world wide? Expert are saying in China alone they estimate it to be over 3 millions...

A ton of countries (including USA and UK) doesnt mass test people and only test the ones coming in the hospital when they are in already pretty bad shape. Some countries dont even test people at all (excluding private labs).
So arguing things like "Dude there is only like AAA infected in X country while you have BBB infected in your country!"Is really childish....

We've already hit the point where we should only talk in number of dead and even with that metric we cant exactly compare countries betwene themselves until it's over since the virus started at different dates all over the planet (for example it's barely starting to take roots in India now, surprisingly)

[Omega10]

Are you guys really fighting over the number of *infected* people? Really now? Have you not realized already that there is well over a million infected in the usa already and most likely well over 10M world wide? Expert are saying in China alone they estimate it to be over 3 millions...

A ton of countries (including USA and UK) doesnt mass test people and only test the ones coming in the hospital when they are in already pretty bad shape. Some countries dont even test people at all (excluding private labs).
So arguing things like "Dude there is only like AAA infected in X country while you have BBB infected in your country!"Is really childish....

I would disagree with the word "childish", but change that to useless. Basically, the conclusion I am coming up with is pretty much what you are alluding to, especially with India's numbers being so low: the areas with high numbers are the areas that did the most testing.

However, the benefit of this exercise, besides that fact that it completely supports your idea, is that it helps me better understand the numbers that I am seeing now, and will be seeing in the near future.

[Knaar]

It will quickly ends up in the same situation as the swine flu where they say things like "We estimate the number of infected between 700 million and 1.4 billion" That's a pretty freaking huge margin and the reason is simply because we cannot know how many are really infected. Hell, they dont even agree on the number of deaths! (somewhere between 18k and 284k)

So yeah... since we're heading in that direction already, any fights in regards of numbers DURING the outbreak is useless. You can all go nuts once this is over and then argue who's the best... (hint : it's probably going to be either South Korea or China that will get the gold medal)

[Omega10]

It will quickly ends up in the same situation as the swine flu where they say things like "We estimate the number of infected between 700 million and 1.4 billion" That's a pretty freaking huge margin and the reason is simply because we cannot know how many are really infected. Hell, they dont even agree on the number of deaths! (somewhere between 18k and 284k)

So yeah... since we're heading in that direction already, any fights in regards of numbers DURING the outbreak is useless. You can all go nuts once this is over and then argue who's the best... (hint : it's probably going to be either South Korea or China that will get the gold medal)

I am hoping to be alive so that I can be a PART of that discussion. In the meantime these discussions have not been TOTALLY useless. I will continue staying in basically total isolation except for my immediate family, encourage everyone around me to do the same as much as possible, and be cleaner than I ever have been in my life.

[Rumred]

Are you guys really fighting over the number of *infected* people? Really now? Have you not realized already that there is well over a million infected in the usa already and most likely well over 10M world wide? Expert are saying in China alone they estimate it to be over 3 millions...

A ton of countries (including USA and UK) doesnt mass test people and only test the ones coming in the hospital when they are in already pretty bad shape. Some countries dont even test people at all (excluding private labs).
So arguing things like "Dude there is only like AAA infected in X country while you have BBB infected in your country!"Is really childish....

We've already hit the point where we should only talk in number of dead and even with that metric we cant exactly compare countries betwene themselves until it's over since the virus started at different dates all over the planet (for example it's barely starting to take roots in India now, surprisingly)

If those numbers are right I would suspect the mortality rate of this virus is far lower than actually reported atm. We know this virus can come with zero to fairly mild symptoms and that would not normally be tested by many of those countries atm. The thing is we just don't know what the actual number is. Some researchers in the UK said 30 to 50 percent of the UK may already have it. If true and the death toll doesn't just explode there than the death rate is going to be far lower than current projections. The only way to know is mass testing and a way to test for antibodies to see who had it and already recovered from it.

If that holds to be correct or even near that ball park it is actually a good thing as the virus is not as deadly as once thought. This will hopefully leader people to stop the panic buying and allow scientist and political leaders better come up with a plan to ease restrictions and make plans for the fall wave.

[Benggaul]

Current Netherlands numbers: 6412 confirmed, 357 deaths....6 recovered. Not. Encouraging.

[FitAsAFiddle]

What actual proof is there that the US should stay quarantined? I've had it with this mindless fear mongering. People even saying it's gonna be worse than WWII.

Tell me, why should we let the economy collapse because of something not even as bad as the flu? And why letting people sit at home not working and getting handout checks is miraculously going to fix it.

I want articles, not that same doctored graph showing deaths in America that has already been proven false.

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It will quickly ends up in the same situation as the swine flu where they say things like "We estimate the number of infected between 700 million and 1.4 billion" That's a pretty freaking huge margin and the reason is simply because we cannot know how many are really infected. Hell, they dont even agree on the number of deaths! (somewhere between 18k and 284k)

So yeah... since we're heading in that direction already, any fights in regards of numbers DURING the outbreak is useless. You can all go nuts once this is over and then argue who's the best... (hint : it's probably going to be either South Korea or China that will get the gold medal)

And the swine flu ended up being a huge nothing. No quarantines, no socialist bills, we were fine. How is this any different?

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Current Netherlands numbers: 6412 confirmed, 357 deaths....6 recovered. Not. Encouraging.

Out of hoe many people? Stop being afraid for no reason, take charge.