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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    But China did allegedly suppress information and even had evidence either destroyed or put under lock and key, and they did that for some extremely mild disease that, overall, poses no threat to homo sapiens as a whole, but what if, god forbid, next time, they contract something much more dangerous?
    Simple. We just don't believe them anymore and institute closed borders at the drop of a hat next time.

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    Here is my prediction.
    Without counting China, Iran and North Korea.

    1 billion people get infected
    20 million people dead
    20% unemployment rate
    Trump becomes the richest man in the world

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    I have a feeling that Spain will pass Italy today with their final daily totals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I have a feeling that Spain will pass Italy today with their final daily totals.
    Spain is ahead of Italy, at least on the recoveries tab

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimbold21 View Post
    Spain is ahead of Italy, at least on the recoveries tab
    Recovered count is a fairly worthless stat for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I also don't see any people suggesting that 20% of people will die. And honestly, right now, if someone did attempt to suggest that, they'd probably be laughed into social isolation
    Good, and let's keep it that way in the coming months until deaths-per-day counter starts going down. Would be bad if someone reached for popularity in that way.
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    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    Good, and let's keep it that way in the coming months until deaths-per-day counter starts going down. Would be bad if someone reached for popularity in that way.
    I don't think that's typical human nature, though. I mean, there's a reason that conspiracy theorists and doomsday preachers are loners. There might be a significant amount of them out there, but they're very insular, socially speaking.

    Whereas hyper-social humans typically consider downplaying threats to be "cool". As evidence, see all the influencers who have died trying to take that dangerous selfie. And more recently, all the influencers making #cornachallenge a thing. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. Standard practice seems to be to make a big deal over small things and a small deal over big things. Buck the trend. Be avant-garde. All that I'm-a-super-unique-individual-so-follow-me bullshit that just means they're JUST like every other influencer wannabe out there.

    That turned into a bit of a rant, there, sorry. But I think the point is still valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xenogear3 View Post
    Here is my prediction.
    Without counting China, Iran and North Korea.

    1 billion people get infected
    20 million people dead
    20% unemployment rate
    Trump becomes the richest man in the world
    Let's not play these games. 2% death rate is rather optimistic, let's not start contests who can predict higher numbers (check my recent posts). Mere 20% unemployment for the period when full-scale quarantines start is very low. But when it's over, there will be no serious unemployment during the recovery period.

    And Trump is Trump, he'll possibly get a free re-election due to the crisis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

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    Italy's case growth rate seems to be decreasing a bit.

    On another hand, in Sicily they've put policemen in front of supermarket to prevent new looting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    Let's not play these games. 2% death rate is rather optimistic,
    The number of criticals is 5%, currently we seeing in Italy that the local health service no longer has enought ventilators for their people, so, in a few weeks we will start seeing death rate increasing just because the number of ventilators isn't enought.

    A lot of people will start seeking for medical helps in the next weeks, everywhere in the world. That's the real scary number here, not 2% but 5%.

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    Finnish video:


    A paramedic in Helsinki describes the situation: his first night shift in 20 years when he didn't see any drunk people or patients (which is obviously a good thing). Most patients have fever or respitory issues. Many of the patients are young. So he just wants people to stay home, don't spread this shit.

    "It doesn't look good here at the frontlines."

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    Imagine living in the US and trying to blame a different country for not reacting strongly enough to this virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmjclark View Post
    Imagine living in the US and trying to blame a different country for not reacting strongly enough to this virus.
    I mean, we can absolutely do both.

    EDIT: For clarification, I can't stand the people that are making this a racist issue or even enabling racism via their responses. I don't accept that China can or should be somehow held accountable for the existence of the virus and all of its consequences.

    That being said, the government of China is definitely to blame for intentionally blocking important information about this virus being released to the international public in a timely manner. Also, various other governments are to blame for not responding with adequate measures more promptly when necessary.
    Last edited by PhaelixWW; 2020-03-29 at 08:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I mean, we can absolutely do both.
    Yes on that the virus is there. No, that how it evolves and how many people it actually get and the side effect on the healthcare system that is completely on the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    So he just wants people to stay home, don't spread this shit.

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    Catalonian guidelines for when you come home:

    1. Don't touch anything.
    2. Leave your shopping bag, wallet, keys in a separate box near the door.
    3. Remove your shoes.
    4. Take off all your clothes and put them in a plastic bag.
    5. Put your phone, jewelry and other personal objects in a small plastic bag. Only things you need while you are at home.
    6. Take a shower.
    7. Wash your personal belongings with soap and/or disinfectant. Wear gloves while washing them. Wash your hands afterwards.
    8. Ventilate the apartment thoroughly.

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    Harvey Weinstein has corona apparently. Theres an outbreak of it at his prison.

    What a world eh
    Comes a time when we all gotta die...even kings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    Harvey Weinstein has corona apparently. Theres an outbreak of it at his prison.

    What a world eh
    That's like a week old news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    I don't accept that China can or should be somehow held accountable for the existence of the virus and all of its consequences.
    If China does not learn about the risks of their markets where dogs, bats, snakes and other exotic beasts are dead next to other living animals and fix this issue then there should be large consequences for China otherwise we are back at this point with1 a few years with another virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tromage2 View Post
    If China does not learn about the risks of their markets where dogs, bats, snakes and other exotic beasts are dead next to other living animals and fix this issue then there should be large consequences for China otherwise we are back at this point with1 a few years with another virus.
    China has reportedly permanently banned the exotic animal trade.

    EDIT: Reading up on it, it looks like there are a few loopholes in the ban. We'll have to see how those play out.
    Last edited by PhaelixWW; 2020-03-29 at 08:57 PM.
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