1. #8441
    Some good and some bad news.

    There are now additional evidence that the number of infected that die is about 1%:
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...243-7/fulltext
    The split it into case fatality rate (those that actually develop the infection so much that it is a case) at 1.38% and an infection fatality rate of 0.66% (including all infected).

    And there indications that the numbers are incorrect in N. Italy; specifically that there are four times as many dead as officially reported (in some regions).
    https://www.corriere.it/politica/20_...cdbe1130.shtml
    There might be other explanations - but it seems bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    lol no new cases in china and only 3k deaths.
    Where are you getting the information that China has no new cases, as the official reports have a number of cases currently - including some local transmission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    I bought a bread-maker back around new years, so I've been making bread. But yeast is just as hard to find as flour is.
    Got any Raisins? You can make your own. Just put them in a jar with 750 Ml water (1 L jar) and put a lid on it (air needs to go out) and be sure you add some sugar to speed up the process. Put your Jar somewhere where is not cold and stir once a day. After a few days your raisins should float and it should smell like vine.
    Once its done, filter it and add 1 cup of flour and water to feed the yeast so it grows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dentelan View Post
    Correlation between universal BCG vaccination policy and reduced morbidity and mortality for COVID-19

    Some interesting stuff here https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.20042937v1
    Sadly not going to convince anti-vaxxers. They are immune and only prone to conspiracy theories and crackpot "medicine".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    Land of the free, home of the brave, grave of the sick.
    Should be used in an political add, maybe it will motivate them to have more solidarity with their fellow countrymen. Doubt it will though.

    Some rather eat their tenth hamburger in a row risking a stomach ache than giving it away to someone starving.

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    Another short informative video;

    Last edited by Acidbaron; 2020-03-31 at 08:08 AM.

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    If you thought we couldn't be struck harder, some "famous" Dutch people decided to record a Corona song.
    The agony!

  5. #8445
    The number of new cases has halved in Finland in a couple of days. Quarantine measures are starting to show their effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Yes, and anyone doing it now is rightfully called a moron. Carry on.
    In most of the country this is still a blue state especially NY problem even though the virus is in all 50 states. Most states are still not in lock down and life goes on for them as usual that's not going into the hoax narrative that still hasn't died down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Yeast is extremely rare, yes. A co-worker of mine said he went to four stores looking for it. I had a nice stockpile of all that sort of stuff from the days before everyone went crazy.

    Not like a hoarding level stockpile, just like 12 packets of yeast. Enough to make bread 6 times, which will be fine.
    While we still have some yeast left, my wife is now making sourdough bread using a homemade starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmouse View Post
    @Stelio Kontos You might look at seeing if you can get a small mill for making your own flour at home, if you can get grain. If I recall, my father got into that a while back. Look into it now though, remember what happened with bidets. As they became an alternative to TP, the prices went up and they got harder to get.

    For yeast, consider sour dough.
    Ditto on sourdough.

    On flour making, some (pricey) kitchen robots are powerful enough for that. It can be interesting for the coeliac/gluten free particularly, as one of our friends makes her own gluten-free flour with cheap rice and the likes (substitutes are pricey...). For reference I am talking about the Thermomix from german manufacturer Vorwerk (while there are many competitors, they might not all have a motor powerful enough).
    "Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outwards, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Yeast is extremely rare, yes. A co-worker of mine said he went to four stores looking for it. I had a nice stockpile of all that sort of stuff from the days before everyone went crazy.

    Not like a hoarding level stockpile, just like 12 packets of yeast. Enough to make bread 6 times, which will be fine.
    We didn't had yeast as well here, 3 days ago it started to be delivered to the stores. There is a limit you can buy ( in one store) so I bought 2 packages. In my country I don't see shortage of anything so far, that includes toilet paper and flour..

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    https://e.nhipcaudautu.vn/news/vietn...ril-1-3334001/

    Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc ordered a nationwide isolation for 15 days, beginning Wednesday to fight against coronavirus spreading, which has been announced as national pandemic, the government said in a statement.

    In the latest Directive Numbered 16, the Vietnamese government chief called residents to stay at home when total infections have risen to 204 as of Tuesday afternoon.

    The order which is among urgent measures the government has adopted to combat COVID-19 pandemic demands for isolations between family and family, village and village, province and province to limit the spread of the virus.

    Workers at workshops, plants should ensure a safe distance, wearing masks, disinfecting usually, according to regulations.

    The number if infected cases in Vietnam has been increasing rapidly in recent days. There is a high risk of infection in the community. The government predicts that the pandemic will spread rapidly on a large scale, threatening lives of citizen and country’s economy.

    No public gathering more than two

    Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc suggests citizen to stay at home and only go out for necessity situation only, including buying food, medicine, emergency, working at factories, business and service establishments.

    The government of Vietnam requests no public gathering more than two people. People must keep distance of at least two meters from each other and inform the authorities of their health status and perform measures to protect their families' and their own health.

    Business leaders would be responsible for deploying disease prevention measures at their own businesses to keep their employees healthy, statement said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    The number of new cases has halved in Finland in a couple of days. Quarantine measures are starting to show their effect.
    Ehh. I'm afraid it is just a fluke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    Yeah, I been thinking about that. Grinding grain.

    Also, is it just the Anglosphere who's had to deal with the assholes panic-buying everything? I've only heard stories from the US, Australia, Canada, and the UK about idiots buying way more items than they need.
    No real panic here in Switzerland, there was quite the surge in shopping on the eve partial lock-down was announced, and the following week staff had to frantically restock displays in the shops. But yeast is scarce and there is very little flour left in stores, especially of the fancy ones, as lots and lots of people are now making homemade bread and pizzas. You can still find TP if you look a bit, but its usually the expensive ones that are left.

    What might make a difference is that people here live in small apartments or small houses, so space is such a premium that current generations hardly follows the official recommendation of having a weeks worth emergency supply ready, compared to my grandparent's who had 6 months cold war reserves, so hardly anybody would have the room for toilet paper walls of freezers full of meats.
    On another hand shops are supposed to have at least 4 months of supply available, although people stockpiling has certainly made a dent on that. We also have lots and lots of shops from big to small, and some people (including myself) started making reserves several weeks in advance so when we shop we mostly need fresh produce and meats, and for those there's no issue so far.
    "Learn to overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone, for they warp the matrix through which we perceive the world. Extend your awareness outwards, beyond the self of body, to embrace the self of group and the self of humanity. The goals of the group and the greater race are transcendent, and to embrace them is to achieve enlightenment."

    ~ Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang on Essays on Mind and Matter

  12. #8452
    In Serbia still <1000 cases but tbh that number could be 10x higher. Our incompetent president is planning to prolong police curfew to 24/7, atm its from 5PM to 7AM.
    The good thing is that people are now following the guide lines, like maximum number of people inside store, staying 2m ( 6feet ) from one another, i don't see that many people outside at any given time and i feel like air is getting better ( like less smog and other shit ) from smaller number of cars on the streets.

  13. #8453
    Quote Originally Posted by Stelio Kontos View Post
    Yeah, I been thinking about that. Grinding grain.

    Also, is it just the Anglosphere who's had to deal with the assholes panic-buying everything? I've only heard stories from the US, Australia, Canada, and the UK about idiots buying way more items than they need.
    i posted about idiots before...

    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    they should restrict some stuff so only women can buy them.. a man is selling pads/tampons in a local group that he obviously bought in masses now... because they get bought as soon as they appear in stores... wtf... i've been trying to get it for 2 days now and they're always out...

  14. #8454
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    i posted about idiots before...
    Where are you from? I mean i have seen them in every store i have been since this shit started......

  15. #8455
    Quote Originally Posted by markos82 View Post
    Where are you from? I mean i have seen them in every store i have been since this shit started......
    a small town in sweden...

  16. #8456
    Quote Originally Posted by Raspberry Lemon View Post
    a small town in sweden...
    Well i guess that's the reason. LIke people here complain about essential stuff missing from stores but i could buy everything except yeast that started to be shipped to stores 3 days ago and if I understood right its because of the process used to make it that required palm oil and "we" ran out of palm oil.

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    Stores seem to be normally stocked here in Germany...

    except Toilet Paper, any kind of Pasta and stuff you need to bake your own bread.

    LoL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Ehh. I'm afraid it is just a fluke.
    Maybe. Lack of testing or something.

    Though with the quarantine efforts it was expected to lower the number of new cases. That doesn't obviously mean we can stop the spread, just slow it down... people will get sick eventually. By the latest then when we open the flood gates again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang
    While we still have some yeast left, my wife is now making sourdough bread using a homemade starter.
    Our bakeries have been open since at least February 8 and they're now doing enough business that they're almost back to regular stocking and staffing, but I have serious cheese envy! Youngest gan nv'er wasn't really able to stock me up on cheese before Spring Festival and the small supermarket near me doesn't even carry Milkana slices.

    I can endure the shortage of my favorite cups of instant Russian mashed potatoes, but I'm jonesing for cheese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Evidence, please.

    You made two very specific claims against me, yet provided no evidence. At no point was I doomsday preaching, nor was I slandering.

    What a shame.
    I repeated my self 10 times my dude. You claimed that I had an ulterior motive for merely feeling optimistic. Where is your evidence? I am still waiting on your apology

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