Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[omeomorfismo]

I can guarantee the numbers a wrong, and I can guarantee it was spread around the world way before the identified cases have been popping up outside of China. I have something right now that could be covid19, been sick for like 2 weeks and it is in my throat and chest. not getting tested though since I have to work and make money and cannot afford to be "quarantined" if that is what it turned out to be.

lol, you cant be incrimined if you are caught to do this?

[Unholyground]

lol, you cant be incrimined if you are caught to do this?

No more than any other flu since it is being blown way put of proportion by everyone and every country.

[Rogue Karl]

Well, I've got to admit. The almost empty shells today in my local supermarket were mildly annoying.

Wait till panic mode hits. One video of a kid dying of this or someone spattering face first into the ground struck dead suddenly in the states and every day will be black friday.

[StayTuned]

Wait till panic mode hits. One video of a kid dying of this or someone spattering face first into the ground struck dead suddenly in the states and every day will be black friday.

Kids don't die of this though. Covid19 is like the thing we've been waiting for to relieve our pension system. Only old people seem to die.

[omeomorfismo]

No more than any other flu since it is being blown way put of proportion by everyone and every country.

i mean, im pretty sure that if you go with flu in a work with a lot of interactions with elders or immunosuppressed, you can still be incrimined in some way

[Tommy T]

Flee to Madagascar or Greenland.
Virus ain't getting me there.

[Unholyground]

i mean, im pretty sure that if you go with flu in a work with a lot of interactions with elders or immunosuppressed, you can still be incrimined in some way

Oh definitely, but human adults are only infectious with any flu for a maximum of like 10 days after the symptoms start so I am no longer contagious.

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Flee to Madagascar or Greenland.
Virus ain't getting me there.

Virus spread more readily in colder climates...

[Rogue Karl]

Kids don't die of this though. Covid19 is like the thing we've been waiting for to relieve our pension system. Only old people seem to die.

It could be unrelated. What I am trying to say is that people are primed and just need something to set them off.
I've heard a lot of it effecting people as young as 20 with permanent damage. We will know more either way as more open nations like South Korea report in. I do not trust WHO with this given their blind praise of china.

[Trassk]

It could be unrelated. What I am trying to say is that people are primed and just need something to set them off.
I've heard a lot of it effecting people as young as 20 with permanent damage. We will know more either way as more open nations like South Korea report in. I do not trust WHO with this given their blind praise of china.

yeah. its no wonder it takes a time to begin doing research on these viruses, since most of them have originated from china, and china doesn't want the outside world knowing its 'secrets', you know, despite the fact it leads to other countries getting infected too.

[draynay]

yeah. its no wonder it takes a time to begin doing research on these viruses, since most of them have originated from china, and china doesn't want the outside world knowing its 'secrets', you know, despite the fact it leads to other countries getting infected too.

First Calgon and now this.

[swiftowner]

People are blowing this way out of proportion, no one takes into consideration that the places with the most issues are ones that do not have the medical infrastructure to take care of the people being effected as well as generations of poor living conditions and weakened immune systems because of it. If you are in a country that has a proper healthcare system you will be fine.

China cannot possibly take care of it's people with the poor medical infrastructure it has period, so their numbers will be skewed.

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I can guarantee the numbers a wrong, and I can guarantee it was spread around the world way before the identified cases have been popping up outside of China. I have something right now that could be covid19, been sick for like 2 weeks and it is in my throat and chest. not getting tested though since I have to work and make money and cannot afford to be "quarantined" if that is what it turned out to be.

You don't see the irony in this? Here lies the problem, this virus is super contagious, has a higher mortality rate than the flu, and the US infrastructure is not designed to handle this when so many people have the mindset of, "I need to work for money, i can't go to the doctor and get quarantined." Doesn't matter how good our hospitals are if people don't go, or wait until they are in serious or critical condition. If you wait until you have full on pneumonia, your body is going to get f'd from the virus, especially if it starts causing a cytokine storm in your body.

There is a lot to read, but I'll try to quote and highlight what I find relevant.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...s-to-the-body/

In the early days of an infection, the novel coronavirus rapidly invades human lung cells. Those lung cells come in two classes: ones that make mucus and ones with hair-like batons called cilia.

Mucus, though gross when outside the body, helps protect lung tissue from pathogens and make sure your breathing organ doesn’t dry out. The cilia cells beat around the mucus, clearing out debris like pollen or viruses.

Frieman explains that SARS loved to infect and kill cilia cells, which then sloughed off and filled patients’ airways with debris and fluids, and he hypothesizes that the same is happening with the novel coronavirus. That’s because the earliest studies on COVID-19 have shown that many patients develop pneumonia in both lungs, accompanied by symptoms like shortness of breath.

That’s when phase two and the immune system kicks in. Aroused by the presence of a viral invader, our bodies step up to fight the disease by flooding the lungs with immune cells to clear away the damage and repair the lung tissue.

When working properly, this inflammatory process is tightly regulated and confined only to infected areas. But sometimes your immune system goes haywire and those cells kill anything in their way, including your healthy tissue.

“So you get more damage instead of less from the immune response,” Frieman says. Even more debris clogs up the lungs, and pneumonia worsens.

During the third phase, lung damage continues to build—which can result in respiratory failure. Even if death doesn’t occur, some patients survive with permanent lung damage. According to the WHO, SARS punched holes in the lungs, giving them “a honeycomb-like appearance”—and these lesions are present in those afflicted by novel coronavirus, too.

These holes are likely created by the immune system’s hyperactive response, which creates scars that both protect and stiffen the lungs.

When that occurs, patients often have to be put on ventilators to assist their breathing. Meanwhile, inflammation also makes the membranes between the air sacs and blood vessels more permeable, which can fill the lungs with fluid and affect their ability to oxygenate blood.

“In severe cases, you basically flood your lungs and you can’t breathe,” Frieman says. “That’s how people are dying.”

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Blood storm
Coronaviruses can also cause problems in other systems of the body, due to the hyperactive immune response we mentioned earlier.

A 2014 study showed that 92 percent of patients with MERS had at least one manifestation of the coronavirus outside of the lungs. In fact, signs of a full body blitz have been witnessed with all three of the zoonotic coronaviruses: elevated liver enzymes, lower white blood cell and platelet count, and low blood pressure. In rare cases, patients have suffered from acute kidney injury and cardiac arrest.

But this isn’t necessarily a sign that the virus itself is spreading throughout the body, says Angela Rasmussen, a virologist and associate research scientist at Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health. It might be a cytokine storm.

Cytokines are proteins used by the immune system as alarm beacons—they recruit immune cells to the site of infection. The immune cells then kill off the infected tissue in a bid to save the rest of the body.

Humans rely on our immune systems to keep their cool when facing a threat. But during a runaway coronavirus infection, when the immune system dumps cytokines into the lungs without any regulation, this culling becomes a free-for-all, Rasmussen says “Instead of shooting at a target with a gun, you’re using a missile launcher,” she says. That’s where the problem arises: Your body is not just targeting the infected cells. It is attacking healthy tissue too.

The implications extend outside the lungs. Cytokine storms create inflammation that weakens blood vessels in the lungs and causes fluid to seep through to the air sacs. “Basically you’re bleeding out of your blood vessels,” Rasmussen says. The storm spills into your circulatory system and creates systemic issues across multiple organs.

From there, things can take a sharp turn for the worse. In some of the most severe COVID-19 cases, the cytokine response—combined with a diminished capacity to pump oxygen to the rest of the body—can result in multi-organ failure. Scientists don’t know exactly why some patients experience complications outside of the lung, but it might be linked to underlying conditions like heart disease or diabetes.

“Even if the virus doesn’t get to kidneys and liver and spleen and other things, it can have clear downstream effects on all of those processes,” Frieman says. And that’s when things can get serious.

[Tommy T]

Oh definitely, but human adults are only infectious with any flu for a maximum of like 10 days after the symptoms start so I am no longer contagious.

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Virus spread more readily in colder climates...

...Whoosh...

[breadisfunny]

I've been saying this to so many people. We have these kinds of large viral spreads almost every year or two now, just given another name. Also its largely originates from china or other densely populated countries and it will always hit poorer nations because, surprise surprise, countries were people have weak health care and weaker immunue systems will suffer more. China and boast whatever shit it likes but its people are weak when it comes to natural resistance.

complacency and apathy is what causes disasters. are you implying biological weakness, weakness because of the enviroment, or other more insidious implications?

[Zan15]

hmmm 6....and growing?


At least four more patients have died from COVID-19 in Washington state, bringing the total number of deaths in the U.S. to at least six as the coronavirus spreads throughout local communities around Seattle, local health officials said Monday.

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100 cases of coronavirus confirmed in the US....updated after market closed, of course...lol

[Trassk]

complacency and apathy is what causes disasters. are you implying biological weakness, weakness because of the enviroment, or other more insidious implications?

The Chinese are in a situation of spreading viruses more due to how heavily packed in they live together, and how they have a lack of natural immunity on top of a poor health system, plus how they have a hybris about eating anything they want.
Theres a reason SARS, avian flu and now this originated from there.

[Unholyground]

hmmm 6....and growing?


At least four more patients have died from COVID-19 in Washington state, bringing the total number of deaths in the U.S. to at least six as the coronavirus spreads throughout local communities around Seattle, local health officials said Monday.

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100 cases of coronavirus confirmed in the US....updated after market closed, of course...lol

I am betting they were all either old or immune system compromised in some way. Still sucks but some people are going to die a lot easier from it just like any illness.

[Zan15]

I am betting they were all either old or immune system compromised in some way. Still sucks but some people are going to die a lot easier from it just like any illness.

very and most likely possible, though this is how it always tends to start till it moves to the general population and people who figured they were strong enough to fight it will find out they are not.

[Unholyground]

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You don't see the irony in this? Here lies the problem, this virus is super contagious, has a higher mortality rate than the flu, and the US infrastructure is not designed to handle this when so many people have the mindset of, "I need to work for money, i can't go to the doctor and get quarantined." Doesn't matter how good our hospitals are if people don't go, or wait until they are in serious or critical condition. If you wait until you have full on pneumonia, your body is going to get f'd from the virus, especially if it starts causing a cytokine storm in your body.

There is a lot to read, but I'll try to quote and highlight what I find relevant.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...s-to-the-body/

Hopefully the insane levels of CBD and THC constantly in my blood helps in some way when we all inevitably get this.

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very and most likely possible, though this is how it always tends to start till it moves to the general population and people who figured they were strong enough to fight it will find out they are not.

It is just a matter of time before we all get it unfortunately. I have a really good immune system so hopefully it is enough.

[Nurasu]

I am betting they were all either old or immune system compromised in some way. Still sucks but some people are going to die a lot easier from it just like any illness.

5 of the dead are from the same nursing home in Kirkland.

[Unholyground]

5 dead are from the same nursing home in Kirkland.

That is super sad though