1. #18601
    Quote Originally Posted by wokforth View Post
    You're incapable of having any sort of conversation without politicising it and screaming at each other.
    All that is trumped by one key factor: Pandemic. There is no political agenda there. If there is, its from the people whining and screaming about how schools should open despite the fact that we are in the middle of a pandemic that will only get worse the more we open up. Its not rocket science. Its not political. Its not a matter of If. Its a matter of fact that it Will get worse and it Will be putting our youth in danger. Even more so when you add to it that there is more and more emerging evidence that this could have lasting damage to the brain.

    I can counter your list easily at every point.
    Interrupted learning - not if you learn from home or through the internet.
    Poor nutrition - This is a MUCH bigger problem than schools being open or closed.
    Confusion and stress for teachers - More so because the teachers now its Not Safe to resume in a pandemic.
    Parents unprepared for distance and home schooling - Then we prepare them. They are more so prepared now than if they suddenly have to start it again.
    Challenges creating, maintaining, and improving distance learning - Wrong. Flat out wrong. necessity is the mother of invention isn't just a saying.
    Gaps in childcare - We already have that with or without schools open. I had multiple friends who were left home alone for hours after school starting nearly at age 5.
    High economic costs - Moot point when the pandemic will cause more damage and economic costs due to the inevitable spike in cases.
    Unintended strain on health-care systems - Just lawl. Sending kids to school will cause more stress than keeping them home due to a spike in cases.
    Increased pressure on schools and school systems that remain open - There is pressure to remain closed to. Not a argument to open schools.
    Rise in dropout rates - conjecture at best with no verifiable way to prove it.
    Increased exposure to violence and exploitation - again, just law. This is grasping at straws and has no basis in reality.
    Social isolation - bs. The internet keeps us more connected than ever before.
    Challenges measuring and validating learning - we already have this. They already fail to properly measure or validate learning.

    So yeah, nice list of junk and poor excuses that fall short of any type of meaningful argument for opening schools. We have already begun to see the damage opening them can do.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/william.../#2b36de4419fd

    I swear COVID19 is sentient and just fucking with us.
    Children can still spread Covid-19? Shocking! Who would have guessed? Oh yeah, anyone with a brain. Yet they want to open up schools. Its essentially going to be 1 adult trying to get 15-30 kids to wear their masks, not fidget with them and to keep them on at all times. Its not going to go well. Not to mention the drastic increase to test result times we are going to see as schools try to regularly test its student body and staff members.
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpious1109 View Post
    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

  2. #18602
    The Unstoppable Force PACOX's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    The Upside Down
    Posts
    22,171
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ve-or-n1235641

    Someone tell me why Americans still worship the rich and follow their every word? The rich who have no problem throwing the average citizen and their children into the woodchipper so they can, "but look at those job numbers!!!".

    But the kids need an education. EXACTLY. But they can't get an education when the institution of public America is crippled because too many teachers are sick or God forbid dead. When parents are too sick to care for their kids or go work. When those kids get sick and I don't even want to go down that route.

    The American public school system is not ready to go back into traditional classrooms.

  3. #18603
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ve-or-n1235641

    Someone tell me why Americans still worship the rich and follow their every word? The rich who have no problem throwing the average citizen and their children into the woodchipper so they can, "but look at those job numbers!!!".

    But the kids need an education. EXACTLY. But they can't get an education when the institution of public America is crippled because too many teachers are sick or God forbid dead. When parents are too sick to care for their kids or go work. When those kids get sick and I don't even want to go down that route.

    The American public school system is not ready to go back into traditional classrooms.
    Because there are no poor people in the US, only temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  4. #18604
    The Insane Acidbaron's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Belgium, Flanders
    Posts
    17,658
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/william.../#2b36de4419fd

    I swear COVID19 is sentient and just fucking with us.
    It's due to the relative new discovery on how it is spread through micro-droplets, what means people that shout and scream, generally how kids communicate become "super spreaders".

    It's why here we are looking at open schools in parts, not all ages at once, splitting classes in two and so forth so it doesn't spill over to the parents but it also doesn't put the burden of watching the kids on the grand parents.

  5. #18605


    How can people still take this mongoloid seriously? He doesn't give two shits about American lives during a fucking pandemic.

    Here's one of the more mindboggling parts
    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...429289473?s=20

  6. #18606
    Dreadlord
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Industrial heart of the USSR... now torn apart
    Posts
    959
    You know what, I'm starting to think that this Covid situation in USA is actually a master stroke of their ruling class. About as morally grey as BFA Sylvanas, but accomplishes their goals beautifully - when this is over, tens of millions will fill the niche currently occupied by illegal immigrants. No need for the wall, pandemic will do the job! :|
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

  7. #18607
    The Unstoppable Force Mayhem's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    pending...
    Posts
    22,132
    Quote Originally Posted by Chelly View Post
    <video of a 74-year-old toddler explaining policies>

    How can people still take this mongoloid seriously? He doesn't give two shits about American lives during a fucking pandemic.

    Here's one of the more mindboggling parts
    https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/stat...429289473?s=20
    Because about half the country (way more at times) does not give a shit about American lives as well?
    Quote Originally Posted by ash
    So, look um, I'm not a grief counselor, but if it's any consolation, I have had to kill and bury loved ones before. A bunch of times actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    I never said I was knowledge-able and I wouldn't even care if I was the least knowledge-able person and the biggest dumb-ass out of all 7.8 billion people on the planet.

  8. #18608
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/04/nova...age-trial.html

    Stock tanks 32%

    How do you have both "no serious" adverse events and 8 people hospitalized out of 131 with 25 placebo patients.

    required two shots over 21 days, yikes.

    Guess all these lottery bets on all these companies is starting to pan out badly for some.



    Novavax said the vaccine was well tolerated with no serious adverse events reported. Most patients reported tenderness and pain at the injection after the first dose, with some patients also reporting headaches, fatigue or muscle aches. Only one participant in the trial experienced a mild fever after a second dose, the company said. Eight patients had reactions that required hospitalizations, though they were resolved after a few days
    "The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president," - McConnell
    Karma 1 Trump 0 -Feel as bad for trump as trump did for Hillary- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iIBw-_0T6I

  9. #18609
    Quote Originally Posted by Egomaniac View Post
    You aren't making a good case for The US opening it's schools.
    Based on recent experience it seems certain that US will mess it up - regardless of whether schools are opened or not; or whether the current patch-work continues.
    And that UK in the choice between closing pubs or schools, assuming either could stop the spread, will choose schools to not annoy businesses.

  10. #18610
    Scarab Lord PhaelixWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Washington (né California)
    Posts
    4,465
    Quote Originally Posted by Zan15 View Post
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/04/nova...age-trial.html

    Stock tanks 32%

    How do you have both "no serious" adverse events and 8 people hospitalized out of 131 with 25 placebo patients.

    required two shots over 21 days, yikes.

    Guess all these lottery bets on all these companies is starting to pan out badly for some.



    Novavax said the vaccine was well tolerated with no serious adverse events reported. Most patients reported tenderness and pain at the injection after the first dose, with some patients also reporting headaches, fatigue or muscle aches. Only one participant in the trial experienced a mild fever after a second dose, the company said. Eight patients had reactions that required hospitalizations, though they were resolved after a few days
    The article has been amended:
    Novavax said the vaccine was well tolerated with no serious adverse events reported. Most patients reported tenderness and pain at the injection after the first dose, with some patients also reporting headaches, fatigue or muscle aches. Only one participant in the trial experienced a mild fever after a second dose, the company said. Earlier media reports and analysts cited eight possible hospitalizations related to the study, but the company said no patients involved with the study were hospitalized.

    Shares of the company were down as much as 32% in after-hours trading before later recovering.
    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." --Alexandre Dumas-fils

  11. #18611
    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    The article has been amended:
    ah that at least clears it up a little.

    damn poor people got screwed if they had a limit down on that stock because of a bad press release/report.

    though those people who brought on the drop cha ching
    "The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president," - McConnell
    Karma 1 Trump 0 -Feel as bad for trump as trump did for Hillary- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iIBw-_0T6I

  12. #18612
    The result of that study isn't that clear, and the relevance for schools are even less clear.

    First and foremost it was done in Italy during the complete lockdown, so schools were closed, and the hyped result is based on just 14 children age 0-14 as few children were seen as infected (there were 14 index cases for age 0-14 compared 477 for age 50-64; I didn't see any explanation for why older people were 30 times more likely to be infected at the start). And if we look at secondary cases (that primarily are among households with long contacts) children are also less likely to become infected.

    A plausible explanation is that they missed lightly infected children, and got this conclusion that is a good scary click-bait. Or as one comment on the article says: children were responsible for 1.27% of the spread of the disease (11 of 890 cases).

    And every infected child still infected less than one other person on average.

    An odd issue in the study is that it spread more to work colleagues than to people you cohabit with; and only slightly less to contacts that were neither. Obviously work-places are a major concern - but that seems almost too much.
    Last edited by Forogil; 2020-08-04 at 09:45 PM.

  13. #18613
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Based on recent experience it seems certain that US will mess it up - regardless of whether schools are opened or not; or whether the current patch-work continues.
    And that UK in the choice between closing pubs or schools, assuming either could stop the spread, will choose schools to not annoy businesses.
    As I said...not a good case to re-open schools. The only way schools should be re-opened is if it can be made safe to do so...and as you've just said:

    Based on recent experience it seems certain that US will mess it up
    The only schools that should reopen are ones that are in an area that has had a few weeks without new corona cases being reported...and even then...they need to be careful on how they do it. Just because an area hasn't reported any new cases...it doesn't mean that corona is gone.

  14. #18614
    Scarab Lord PhaelixWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Washington (né California)
    Posts
    4,465
    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The result of that study isn't that clear, and the relevance for schools are even less clear.
    You completely and utterly ignored the first of the two studies in the linked source.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    First and foremost it was done in Italy during the complete lockdown, so schools were closed
    Which would seem to indicate that open schools would provide exponentially more child-to-child contact, exacerbating the findings of this study.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    ...the hyped result is based on just 14 children age 0-14 as few children were seen as infected (there were 14 index cases for age 0-14 compared 477 for age 50-64; I didn't see any explanation for why older people were 30 times more likely to be infected at the start). And if we look at secondary cases (that primarily are among households with long contacts) children are also less likely to become infected.

    A plausible explanation is that they missed lightly infected children, and got this conclusion that is a good scary click-bait. Or as one comment on the article says: children were responsible for 1.27% of the spread of the disease (11 of 890 cases).
    Or in other words, children represented 0.94% of the sample, but 1.27% of the spread.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    And every infected child still infected less than one other person on average.
    And every non-child infected less so. As you said, the lockdown was in place and schools were closed. Do you think the R value stays under 1 with no lockdown and open schools?


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    An odd issue in the study is that it spread more to work colleagues than to people you cohabit with; and only slightly less to contacts that were neither. Obviously work-places are a major concern - but that seems almost too much.
    I would imagine that's because of prolonged immediate exposure in an enclosed environment. People are quite often seated much more closely to others and for longer periods of time in an office environment than even at home. Schools are more similar to the work environment, except more tightly packed and quite probably much more vocal, especially among the younger classes.
    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." --Alexandre Dumas-fils

  15. #18615
    Looks like the virus train isn't gonna do much slowing down for the rest of the year. Kids are gonna spread this everywhere it hasn't already reached.

  16. #18616
    wouldnt be shocked if trump replaces birx with Dr. Stella Emmanuel on the CTF
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

  17. #18617
    Immortal Thepersona's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Puerto Montt, Chile
    Posts
    7,782
    Anything new regarding vaccine research? Last time i heard, Sinovac, Oxford and , Pfizer? were in phase 3 trials, but not much after that.
    Forgive my english, as i'm not a native speaker



  18. #18618
    Scarab Lord PhaelixWW's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Washington (né California)
    Posts
    4,465
    Quote Originally Posted by Thepersona View Post
    Anything new regarding vaccine research? Last time i heard, Sinovac, Oxford and , Pfizer? were in phase 3 trials, but not much after that.
    Phase 3 is the long-term one, with lengths normally measured in years. Any "quick" news is likely to be bad news for that specific trial.
    "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." --Alexandre Dumas-fils

  19. #18619
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    wouldnt be shocked if trump replaces birx with Dr. Stella Emmanuel on the CTF
    Trumps personal Demon Sperm Doctor that also said hydroxychloroquine is a miracle drug and masks are not needed.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

  20. #18620
    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Trumps personal Demon Sperm Doctor that also said hydroxychloroquine is a miracle drug and masks are not needed.
    Yes, we know who she is.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •