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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    So much stupid:
    No clue about the other points but 5 and 6 are actually true.
    Mask manuals even state that viral particles will not be blocked, hence no protection for yourself (what lands on your mask is basically sucked through by your breath).

    I think the only exception to that would be N95 masks, which block a large %age of particles down to 100nm.
    Wearing a bandana or a simple cotton cloth and thinking it could block viral particles is hilariously wrong.

    That being said: they still collect virus contaminated droplets, which are far larger in size and thus reduce the viral load expelled by people / reduce the range of said loads. As long as they are dry and capable of absorption that is.

    When I see filthy, soaking wet masks... I always think "why does this dude even bother".
    Also yeah: bad mask hygiene = major danger to yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    No clue about the other points but 5 and 6 are actually true.
    Mask manuals even state that viral particles will not be blocked, hence no protection for yourself (what lands on your mask is basically sucked through by your breath).

    I think the only exception to that would be N95 masks, which block a large %age of particles down to 100nm.
    Wearing a bandana or a simple cotton cloth and thinking it could block viral particles is hilariously wrong.

    That being said: they still collect virus contaminated droplets, which are far larger in size and thus reduce the viral load expelled by people / reduce the range of said loads. As long as they are dry and capable of absorption that is.

    When I see filthy, soaking whet masks... I always think "why does this dude even bother".
    Also yeah: bad mask hygiene = major danger to yourself.
    And a danger to everyone else. I had to come into the office physically last month and people would take off their masks by hooking their fingers inside of them to drag them down and then would go around eating food and shaking everyone's hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Big 'ol citation needed for this. First I've heard of anything like this.
    Your brain should be all the citation you need.
    Combine a contaminated surface with moisture, residual sugars and warmth (all provided by your breath) and what do you get?

    A fashionable petri-dish, ready for bacterial and fungal growth! YUCK!

    That's why every site tries to teach people how to properly handle these devices. Only thing is: they are annoying to wear. If you take them on and off and have to have them ready at a moments notice... yeah people will go the convenient route and strap them to their wrist, let them dangle around their ear or neck. I've seen it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    And a danger to everyone else. I had to come into the office physically last month and people would take off their masks by hooking their fingers inside of them to drag them down and then would go around eating food and shaking everyone's hands.
    People still shake hands? Oo
    We haven't done that since 03/2020. Get with the times. A simple bow is enough to show respect.

    Personal note: for me this is one macabre + out of this pandemic: I never liked other people wanting to touch my hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Go outside and take a look. People are wearing masks on their biceps, stuffing them into their purses, wearing them around their necks or letting them slide down their noses. Next to no one is wearing them properly because it's annoying as fuck and makes it hard and the straps murder your ears.
    Then it just seems like you're surrounding yourself with wimps and panzies. Most, though not all, of the people I see around are wearing their masks correctly.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    And a danger to everyone else.
    No. A wet mask will not protect the user as much, but it will still be far, far more effective at protecting the people around said user than if the user were not wearing a mask at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfire View Post
    Go outside and take a look. People are wearing masks on their biceps, stuffing them into their purses, wearing them around their necks or letting them slide down their noses. Next to no one is wearing them properly because it's annoying as fuck and makes it hard and the straps murder your ears.
    That's not a citation. Still waiting on a citation.

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    Oh the conspiracy theory nuts have come in here. That poster about masks is such bullshit.

    You won't get a citation. Go read through his post history. It's genuinely cuckoo.

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    Wear your damn masks outside and don't be dicks.

    The end.

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    If we'd have our retard populace wear masks proper instead of this chin mask trick to avoid fines, maybe we would not need 2nd lockdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Big 'ol citation needed for this. First I've heard of anything like this.
    It's not like the information is hidden:
    https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...d-19-and-masks

    At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence, and there are potential benefits and harms to consider.
    There are potential risks and disadvantages that should be taken into account in any decision-making process on the use of masks:
    • Non-medical or fabric masks could increase potential for COVID-19 to infect a person if the mask is contaminated by dirty hands and touched often, or kept on other parts of the face or head and then placed back over the mouth and nose
    • Depending on the type of mask used, could cause difficulty in breathing
    • They can lead to facial skin breakdown
    • They can lead to difficulty with communicating clearly
    • They can be uncomfortable to wear
    • It is possible that mask use, with unclear benefits, could create a false sense of security in the wearer, leading to diminished practice of recognized beneficial preventive measures such as physical distancing and hand hygiene.
    It is an important reminder that in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic, everyone, regardless of the use of masks, should:
    • avoid groups of people and crowded spaces;
    • maintain physical distance of at least 1 meter from other people, especially from those who are sick;
    • clean your hands frequently, using an alcohol-based hand rub if hands are not visibly dirty, or soap and water;
    • cover your nose and mouth with a bent elbow or paper tissue when coughing or sneezing, dispose of the tissue and clean your hands immediately after use;
    • refrain from touching your mouth, nose, and eye
    Above all, stay informed of the progress of the disease, pay attention to local authorities and their recommendations, and follow and encourage best practices.
    But, of course, some people will say that they know more - and bash WHO as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Enlighten me then, because it was not COVID-19.

    Other than that, I'm not sure how it's relevant. His brother is not a frikkin' POTUS, with a full team of best doctors at call.
    why wouldn't his brother have access to a similar team of doctors as well? pretty sure their family is included in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    Fuck ya, hope the prick kicks the bucket and chokes to death on his own breath. What a useless excuse for a leader and human. The world isn't that lucky though lmao.
    hoping for others to die. stay classy mmo-c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUPPIE View Post
    i have two questions

    1. if trump dies, will we finally declare a real war on China?

    2. if he dies, does Biden simply win?
    if #2 happens that would actually throw a wrench in the works of the election since until now the democrats have been running against trump. pence is a mostly unknown outside of his policies since he doesn't comment as much as trump so he would theoretically come with less baggage than trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Big 'ol citation needed for this. First I've heard of anything like this.
    citation needed for what? it wouldn't be surprising a lot of people just go with what is easiest so i wouldn't be surprised if like my parents and sister they go days without washing their cloth masks or just keep reusing the old disposable ones especially the lower income people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cidzor View Post
    Not 100% sure how #2 works, but I think it just means Pence is sworn in as President regardless of how close we are to the election. Then as far as running against Biden, the GOP can choose to go with Pence (or nominate someone else if they don't want him, but that's unlikely) to run against Biden. Probably results in a delayed election if it happens that close to election day. In which case, Pence is President in the meantime.
    The election goes forward on nov 3. That's set in the constitution. It's too late for the republicans to get anyone else put on the ballot, so they'd have to push for a write-in candidate. Mike Pence would even have to be written in for president as he's on the ballot for vice president and those votes couldn't just be applied to the presidential election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    It's not like the information is hidden:
    https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...d-19-and-masks







    But, of course, some people will say that they know more - and bash WHO as usual.
    What? The only thing there that supports the post is that people may get a false sense of security and be dumb. Nothing beyond that supports it, and everything still encourages face coverings as part of a comprehensive strategy, specifically non-fabric ones that provide a better barrier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    citation needed for what? it wouldn't be surprising a lot of people just go with what is easiest so i wouldn't be surprised if like my parents and sister they go days without washing their cloth masks or just keep reusing the old disposable ones especially the lower income people.
    Which still affords more protection to those around you than not wearing one at all. That people may have their grubby fingers everywhere isn't a fault of the mask, but the person.

    Don't get me wrong, folks should be washing/replacing masks. But wearing a mask for a few days and being vigilant about not touching your face and then other surfaces without sanitizing your hands is preferable to wearing no mask at all.

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    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    She really needs to stick to dissuading people from sex with demons to protect themselves from cancer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What? The only thing there that supports the post is that people may get a false sense of security and be dumb
    At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence.

    I think this is the real kicker for many anti-mask people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence.
    Bull.
    High Quality Scientific Evidence shows differently.


    https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    At the present time, the widespread use of masks everywhere is not supported by high-quality scientific evidence.

    I think this is the real kicker for many anti-mask people.
    Because "high-quality scientific evidence" is a high bar that a new virus that's less than a year old hasn't had enough time to generate. Why people are so hung up on, "WELL THEY AREN'T 100% SURE SO WE WON'T BELIEVE THEM!" nonsense when all the available studies and evidence overwhelmingly reinforces the effectiveness of wearing a mask has benefits for the wearer and those around them as long as they're following other best-practices.

    Not like having "high-quality scientific evidence" would matter to the not insignificant number of people reject the science wholesale to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Because "high-quality scientific evidence" is a high bar that a new virus that's less than a year old hasn't had enough time to generate.

    Not like having "high-quality scientific evidence" would matter to the not insignificant number of people reject the science wholesale to begin with.
    It's been half a year, honestly I think the data should be here by now.
    Sure, back in March it was like "we don't know but heck, it isn't difficult to implement, so lets do it anyway".

    Aye on that last sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    It's been half a year, honestly I think the data should be here by now.
    Science doesn't move that fast. Studies take time. Replicating those studies takes more time. Learning about new virus also takes a HUGE amount of time because there are known unknowns and unknown unknowns. We gotta figure out those unknown unknowns, you know?

    Same reason why the vaccine is taking time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Sure, back in March it was like "we don't know but heck, it isn't difficult to implement, so lets do it anyway".
    In March we knew far less than we do now. We now have 6 more months of research, studies, and data to help inform our understanding of the virus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Aye on that last sentence.
    Which makes me want to fuckin die. I mean, these are the people that would bring their car into the shop if it was having problems, call an electrician if they needed wiring help, a plumber if their sewage pipe backed up etc. etc. all experts, but when it comes to "science" experts, suddenly there's some kind of nonsense global conspiracy and those evil experts can't be trusted. SMH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What? The only thing there that supports the post is that people may get a false sense of security and be dumb.
    And that there isn't high quality scientific evidence to support its use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Nothing beyond that supports it, and everything still encourages face coverings as part of a comprehensive strategy, specifically non-fabric ones that provide a better barrier.
    Well, it also says
    Non-medical, fabric masks are being used by many people in public areas, but there has been limited evidence on their effectiveness and WHO does not recommend their widespread use among the public for control of COVID-19.
    So, the point of "comprehensive strategy and masks" isn't that the strategy must include using masks, and especially not using masks everywhere, but that if you use masks it shouldn't be done in isolation, but as part of a comprehensive strategy.

    There's a reason WHO staff doesn't wear masks at work and during press conferences - they are using other measures - like physical distancing (with proper distances), one-way corridors, and possibly more. They are not too stupid to wear them, and if the local government mandates masks in public transports they obviously comply with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    In March we knew far less than we do now. We now have 6 more months of research, studies, and data to help inform our understanding of the virus.
    And WHO have updated their guidelines recently, and still find the evidence lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    And that there isn't high quality scientific evidence to support its use.
    Wrong.

    https://files.fast.ai/papers/masks_lit_review.pdf
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