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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    my live-in sister tested positive for covid-19. she coughed in my face this morning cause she was mad. now i'm worried i have it.
    Either stuff her head in a bag or laxative the shit out of her. No one should get away with that shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    This is nonsense. People thinking they "know better" are fucking dumb. People listening to their crazy uncle's memes on Facebook over virologists and infectious disease experts are similarly dumb.

    The push back isn't based on fact or science, it's purely emotional and ideologically driven.
    Its not nonsense. Its how it works. The know better comes from experts and data. They all agree that, despite what the CDC is saying in this example, you absolutely Should get tested as soon as you suspect you may have it, even if you're asymptomatic. And to add to that, that the masks are to help protect everyone around you, not you yourself.



    I'll tell them that their earlier guidance against it was twofold - Because they were still learning a lot about the virus at the time, and because there was a shortage of masks (due to the administrations failure to prepare despite advanced warning) and the guidance was to keep them for medical professionals and others who would need them more.

    And then I'd ask them why they think that information can't change over time, and what their source is on the conflicting information.
    But it hasn't change. Its still that they protect others around you and not you. Its not going to change. Its how they function. Its their design. They could easily counter with that fact alone. Not only that, they could counter with any study thats been done that proves it, while also pointing out that the CDC is now trying to get people to not get tested who should.



    Again, it's literally not. They're saying to wear masks, they're not saying that every type of mask is equally as effective. And again, short of those silly neck gators, they're absolutely 100% correct that anything from a single-use surgical mask to a bandana you wash offers you and those around you more protection than no face covering at all.

    The ones listening to the lies aren't listening to the CDC in the first place.
    Disagree fully with this sentiment. I have seen it time and time again that it Is harming. You don't lie, because then people wont believe you later on. There's an entire children's story called "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". Not only that, once they know you're lying repeatedly, they wont trust you. Its human nature. Its how the world has always worked. The CDC is giving false information about how masks work now.

    I get the sentiment that the ones listening to lies aren't listening to the CDC in the first place, but I am among those who are seeing them slip up and starting to not listen to them. Prior I was like yeah, we should take their word for it. Now? Screw em. Their spewing false information and actively trying to suppress our ability to track who is or isn't infected by suggesting fewer people take the test. I'll stick to hard facts, data and research being done that is independent of them. Its proven far more knowledgeable about how this spreads and how to stay safe than they have in this entire time.

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    Either stuff her head in a bag or laxative the shit out of her. No one should get away with that shit.
    I believe most people who are caught doing this are actually having charges brought against them for doing it.
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    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    Christ, some people are so devoid of a greater purpose in their lives that they're adhering to stupid "causes" and openly advertising their ignorance.

    "Can't you breathe better without a mask?" I can breathe just fine. I won't be able to if you keep being a retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    As previously stated, it's not the case for the flu. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0016809 https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professional...nogenicity.htm (that's why you shouldn't get flu vaccine too early).
    Influenza is a special case for several reasons when it comes to vaccinations, though, not the norm.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    For Sars-Cov-2 it may be true (due to the high number of lightly symptomatic cases - which is unusual), but we don't know yet.
    That may be a fair point.

    As I can't find my original source on the subject, I'll retract the general statement on this point and merely state that I hope it's the case for this virus.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    Another is that if we are talking about yearly vaccinations that means that safety concerns become even more important, as risks are magnified by more than order of magnitude.
    Oh, absolutely. I wasn't trying to minimize the necessity of making sure that the vaccine is well-tested and safe. But with 100+ vaccines in the works, I feel somewhat confident that we'll ultimately find a safe version, even if we experience a few false starts along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Oh, absolutely. I wasn't trying to minimize the necessity of making sure that the vaccine is well-tested and safe. But with 100+ vaccines in the works, I feel somewhat confident that we'll ultimately find a safe version, even if we experience a few false starts along the way.
    Aye, lets just hope that overeager politicians don't jump on one of the "false starts" and make vaccination mandatory.
    I find the above scenario more scary than the virus itself, tbh.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/18/u...gtype=Homepage

    On June 30, as the coronavirus was cresting toward its summer peak, Dr. Paul Alexander, a new science adviser at the Department of Health and Human Services, composed a scathing two-page critique of an interview given by a revered scientist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    Dr. Anne Schuchat, a 32-year veteran of the C.D.C. and its principal deputy director, had appealed to Americans to wear masks and warned, “We have way too much virus across the country.” But Dr. Alexander, a part-time assistant professor of health research methods, appeared sure he understood the coronavirus better.

    “Her aim is to embarrass the president,” he wrote, commenting on Dr. Schuchat’s appeal for face masks in an interview with the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    “She is duplicitous,” he also wrote in an email to his boss, Michael R. Caputo, the Health and Human Services Department’s top spokesman who went on medical leave this week. He asked Mr. Caputo to “remind” Dr. Schuchat that during the H1N1 swine flu outbreak in 2009, thousands of Americans had died “under her work.”

    Of Dr. Schuchat’s assessment of Covid-19’s dangers, he fumed, wrongly, “The risk of death in children 0-19 years of age is basically 0 (zero) … PERIOD … she has lied.”

    Dr. Alexander’s point-by-point assessment, broken into seven parts and forwarded by Mr. Caputo to Dr. Robert R. Redfield, the C.D.C. director, was one of several emails obtained by The New York Times that illustrate how Mr. Caputo and Dr. Alexander attempted to browbeat career officials at the C.D.C. at the height of the pandemic, challenging the science behind their public statements and attempting to silence agency staff.

    Far from hiding what they knew about the virus’s danger, as Bob Woodward’s new book contends President Trump was doing, the emails seem to indicate that aides in Washington were convinced of their own rosy prognostications, even as coronavirus infections were shooting skyward.

    At the same time, Mr. Caputo moved to punish the C.D.C.’s communications team for granting interviews to NPR and attempting to help a CNN reporter reach him about a public-relations campaign. Current and former C.D.C. officials called it a five-month campaign of bullying and intimidation.
    More in the link, but this is precisely why the US has struggled so much: Because the White House is more interested in protecting the image of the POTUS than they are having qualified people lead us through a pandemic.

    This is damning, and in context with other revelations including that Trump knew of the dangers of the virus and intentionally downplayed them and more, make a strong argument to attribute a large number of the more than 200,000 American deaths caused by the virus directly to the Trump administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    my live-in sister tested positive for covid-19. she coughed in my face this morning cause she was mad. now i'm worried i have it.
    have her arrested for assault.

    you can drop the charges later but teach her a lesson!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    <stage whisper:> It's still summer...
    No. I'm in Europe, we use words in their originally intended meanings. Last day of summer is last day of August. Kids go to school on the 1st day of autumn.


    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    Who's deflecting? Hiding what? I posted the graphic for the whole world, which includes USA and Brazil. I can't believe I've had to point that out to you multiple times in a row now.

    On second thought, I can absolutely believe it, as you've seemingly deliberately ignored all the relevant data simply because you don't like the unavoidable conclusions to which they lead.
    ...which are...? (inb4 some more unrelated stuff like autumn rise which everyone was expecting)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    No. I'm in Europe, we use words in their originally intended meanings. Last day of summer is last day of August. Kids go to school on the 1st day of autumn.



    ...which are...? (inb4 some more unrelated stuff like autumn rise which everyone was expecting)
    I'm in Europe too. Here autumn starts September 21st.
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    https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1307041114415869961

    When the guy in charge makes unkeepable promises and continues to assert that he "knows more than the experts", you end up with 200,000 dead citizens in 8 months and pandemic numbers that are some of the worst in the developed world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    i can't i live at my parents. i called the soc for work and they told me to quarantine for 14 days. i plan to go in to medical provider's tomorrow and get tested. health department said i have to quarantine till october 8th.
    You might want to make that 28 days. And consider pursuing legal action against your live-in sister.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I'm in Europe too. Here autumn starts September 21st.
    Wasn't it Sept 23rd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolthulhu View Post
    You might want to make that 28 days. And consider pursuing legal action against your live-in sister.
    not sure what that would accomplish considering its just my word against hers. parents don't even think of this action as a crime really just to suck it up and deal with it and that it was my fault for going by her bedroom when i pretty much have to to go get a bottle of water. my sister is hugging her kids without her mask wtf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    not sure what that would accomplish considering its just my word against hers. parents don't even think of this action as a crime really just to suck it up and deal with it and that it was my fault for going by her bedroom when i pretty much have to to go get a bottle of water. my sister is hugging her kids without her mask wtf?
    It might get social services involved and at possibly scare some sense into your sister and parents. Failing that I'd get out of that house ASAP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adolecent View Post
    I'm getting infracted by an American moderator on an American topic promoting/advocating weapons on a childrens forum, what else to expect on an American forum. I'm done here and i'm going to leave you one thing to remember:
    [extremely graphic picture of dead children]
    Hope you sleep well. With the lack of empathy the majority of you show i guess that won't be a problem. BB

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I'm in Europe too. Here autumn starts September 21st.
    I doubt that is official, The Netherlands seem particularly confused about seasons.
    https://www.netherlands-tourism.com/...e-netherlands/
    "Summer The high season runs from June to August and is the most popular season for tourists."
    https://support.utrechtsummerschool....lands-Utrecht-
    "Summer (July – September)"
    https://www.holiday-weather.com/country/netherlands
    "Summer, from June till mid-September", "Autumn, from August till November"

    Basically there are multiple season-definition used throughout Europe (and in the rest of world people don't even keep to four seasons), e.g.:
    Meteorological or Month-based where Autumn is normally September-November.
    Other meteorological where it depends on the weather.
    Astronomical starting Autumn at Equinox and ending at midwinter.
    Solar where Autumn is centred around Equinox, and winter has the middle at midwinter.

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    https://kstp.com/news/mdh-armed-resi...-2020/5867003/

    A credential team of medical professionals in Minnesota were doing randomized neighborhood screenings to get more data on the spread of the virus in the state and had to stop.

    Because apparently a group of armed nutjobs confronted them and the team didn't want a confrontation and left.

    Details are still scant, but I'd put money on these being more of the conspiracy theorist nutjobs thinking the state was infecting people rather than trying to help save lives by getting better data to make more informed decisions with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://kstp.com/news/mdh-armed-resi...-2020/5867003/

    A credential team of medical professionals in Minnesota were doing randomized neighborhood screenings to get more data on the spread of the virus in the state and had to stop.

    Because apparently a group of armed nutjobs confronted them and the team didn't want a confrontation and left.

    Details are still scant, but I'd put money on these being more of the conspiracy theorist nutjobs thinking the state was infecting people rather than trying to help save lives by getting better data to make more informed decisions with.
    When we get a vaccine for this virus, these vanilla ISIS wackjobs are going to be murdering vaccine workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    No. I'm in Europe, we use words in their originally intended meanings. Last day of summer is last day of August. Kids go to school on the 1st day of autumn.
    No, sorry, that's only in eastern Europe. The majority of Europe uses astronomical seasons. And lulz, your attempt to claim "originally intended meanings" is ridiculous. The Gregorian calendar is only 500 years old, and even the Julian calendar upon which it is based is only about 2000 years old. But civilizations have been measuring the solstices and equinoxes and tying seasonal significance to them for at least 6000 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    ...which are...? (inb4 some more unrelated stuff like autumn rise which everyone was expecting)
    Except you weren't expecting them. Not only did you say that the world had peaked, which would mean that the world's cases were going to decline (which they didn't), but you specifically stated several times that you predicted that you didn't think they would go back up past the July mark.

    Let's roll the tape yet again, shall we?

    First:
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    It could be just a local peak, hence "it seems". But most likely it will stay that way.
    This is you saying that you didn't even think that it would what you call a "local peak". It's clear from this that you thought cases would continue to decline. You specifically predicted that that would be the case, despite your hilarious attempts later to backpedal from this obviously false position.

    And then:
    Quote Originally Posted by Cynep View Post
    Another peak could come in the winter if the second wave actually happens, which is quite possible. Or maybe India could keep rising and carry the world instead of USA, exceeding current peak after only 2 weeks of decline. I said explicitly that it could happen. I just doubt it will.
    This is you not talking about an autumn rise, but a winter one. You specifically pointed to a possible second wave in winter, not a continued first wave in autumn.

    This is also you trying to point to India alone as the reason for a potential immediate surge. But you specifically predicted that it wouldn't happen.

    And despite my use of graphics to point that even without the fluctuations of the top three countries, the rest of the world has been steadily rising this whole time, you specifically ignore the direct evidence of your error.

    And then, after all that, you're now attempting to backtrack to "I only meant summer", which also conveniently ignores that there was precisely one day (Aug 14th, incidentally after your initial claim of a July 31 "peak") that had a higher 7-day average than the last day of what you're attempting to call summer (Aug 31) as well as the fact that the first day of what you're attempting to call autumn (Sep 1) set a new record, and that not a single day since has been lower than any day before September.

    You've been so obviously wrong in so many obviously quantifiable ways that it's a wonder you're still choosing to embarrass yourself over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    No, sorry, that's only in eastern Europe. The majority of Europe uses astronomical seasons. And lulz, your attempt to claim "originally intended meanings" is ridiculous. The Gregorian calendar is only 500 years old, and even the Julian calendar upon which it is based is only about 2000 years old. But civilizations have been measuring the solstices and equinoxes and tying seasonal significance to them for at least 6000 years.
    Sometimes, but not necessarily in that way.

    In many parts of medieval western the four season calendar in Europe was the Solar calendar where mid-summer is in the middle of summer - and not all civilisations tie seasons to solstices and equinoxes; because it doesn't make sense if you have six, or three seasons (and you only need two of them for two-season systems) - and closer to the equator the solstice doesn't matter that much.

    The Beltane celebration in Ireland is sort of based on the Solar calendar. And it seems the ancient Roman calendar had the year, spring, and military season start in March - after the unnamed winter months.

    I don't know when "Astronomical seasons" took root, and why Americans are so attached to it. In most parts season-starts aren't that important and accurate so "autumn months" meaning September-November is good enough - and in many traditional agrarian society seasons are based around the actual seasons of the crops.

    Added: I tentatively blame the french revolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    In many parts of medieval western the four season calendar in Europe was the Solar calendar where mid-summer is in the middle of summer
    The decline of science and knowledge during the medieval period of Europe is well documented, sure. The Romans were using astronomical seasons centuries before.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    and not all civilisations tie seasons to solstices and equinoxes; because it doesn't make sense if you have six, or three seasons (and you only need all of them for two-season systems) - and closer to the equator the solstice doesn't matter that much.
    You're just arguing for argument's sake here; nobody mentioned "all civilizations". Most of Europe (especially western Europe) uses astronomical seasons, as does North America (who got it from Europe).


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    The Beltane celebration in Ireland is sort of based on the Solar calendar. And it seems the ancient Roman calendar had the year, spring, and military season start in March - after the unnamed winter months.
    Yes, the ancient Romans once celebrated mid-March, AKA the ides of March, or March 15th, as the beginning of the new year, not the beginning of March. The full moon at the ides of March was an easy way for everyone to distinguish the date.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    I don't know when "Astronomical seasons" took root, and why Americans are so attached to it.
    The American colonies got it from their European roots.


    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    In most parts season-starts aren't that important and accurate so "autumn months" meaning September-November is good enough - and in many traditional agrarian society seasons are based around the actual seasons of the crops.
    None of which matters to the actual topic at hand. I'm not arguing that the astronomical season method is better, merely that it's prevalent in most of Europe and North America, at least, and likely is the case for 95%+ of the visitors of this forum.

    And as I pointed out before, the idea of summer starting on September 1st doesn't even really matter for the argument it was being used in putative "support" of.
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