1. #19621
    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    If the virus has a low probability of being nasty (that's the case for young people), the vaccine better have a much lower probability of complications.
    Else you will do more damage with your "remedy" than the virus does.
    I think one of the bigger problems we are facing isn't death in the younger population, but lasting damage to them via the heart. They are starting to study this. That may be one selling point they try for a vaccine. Saying they might survive covid, but may end up dying from heart failure or having lasting damage to the muscles of their heart. So realistically, we are seeing a virus that could be deadly in itself, but may also be deadly due to damage it causes after the fact.
    Quote Originally Posted by scorpious1109 View Post
    Why the hell would you wait till after you did this to confirm the mortality rate of such action?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantos View Post
    I think one of the bigger problems we are facing isn't death in the younger population, but lasting damage to them via the heart. [URL="https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/evidence-builds-covid-19-can-damage-heart-doctors-are-racing-understand-it"]They are starting to study this.
    One reason it’s hard to say whether COVID-19 poses a special risk of myocarditis is uncertainty about its prevalence after other infections. Echocardiogram studies after some influenza outbreaks suggest up to 10% of flu patients have transient heart abnormalities, Liu says. But such studies are scarce. “We don’t scan patients after they had the flu,” says Valentina Püntmann, a cardiologist at University Hospital Frankfurt.

    Definitely an interesting field of study and (apparently) sorely neglected thus far. Lets hope they gather data soon and bring more knowledge into the light.

  3. #19623
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...unds-pentagon/

    Know what the US is spending some of the Cares Act money on? Nothing having to do with the pandemic, the whole reason for the funding, but rather for the military!

    A $1 billion fund Congress gave the Pentagon in March to build up the country’s supplies of medical equipment has instead been mostly funneled to defense contractors and used to make things such as jet engine parts, body armor and dress uniforms.

    The change illustrates how one taxpayer-backed effort to battle the novel coronavirus, which has killed about 200,000 Americans, was instead diverted toward patching up long-standing perceived gaps in military supplies.

    The Cares Act, which Congress passed earlier this year, gave the Pentagon money to “prevent, prepare for, and respond to coronavirus.” But a few weeks later, the Defense Department began reshaping how it would award the money in a way that represented a major departure from Congress’s intent.

    The payments were made even though U.S. health officials think major funding gaps in pandemic response still remain. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in Senate testimony last week that states desperately need $6 billion to distribute vaccines to Americans early next year. Many U.S. hospitals still face a severe shortage of N95 masks. These are the types of problems that the money was originally intended to address.

    “This is part and parcel of whether we have budget priorities that actually serve our public safety or whether we have a government that is captured by special interests,” said Mandy Smithberger, a defense analyst at the Project on Government Oversight, a watchdog group.

    The $1 billion fund is just a fraction of the $3 trillion in emergency spending that Congress approved earlier this year to deal with the pandemic. But it shows how the blizzard of bailout cash was — in some cases — redirected to firms that weren’t originally targeted for assistance. It also shows how difficult it has been for officials to track how money is spent and — in the case of Congress — intervene when changes are made. The Trump administration has done little to limit the defense firms from accessing multiple bailout funds at once and is not requiring the companies to refrain from layoffs as a condition of receiving the awards.

    Some defense contractors received the Pentagon money even though they had already dipped into another pot of bailout funding, the Paycheck Protection Program.
    Sure, it's not a HUGE amount of total $3T of the Cares Act, but there's no reason to spend any of it on jet engines or body armor. Neither help combating a pandemic that can't be stopped by a kevlar plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehealadin View Post
    I will be curious to see what the UK government announces this week. I see that the scientific advisors are getting very worried about this second wave and the situation we could be in come mid October. I would still be surprised if we entered another full lockdown, though it is being floated.
    Worried? That's an understatement, our scientific advisors are forecasting an end of the UK scenario by the New Year. As seen in a recent newspaper letter in response...

    Sir - Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Advisor to the Government, tells us the epidemic is doubling every seven days.

    Thus he calculates - somewhat frighteningly - that we will have 50,000 new infections a day by mid October and 200 deaths a day a couple of weeks later. Applying exactly the same method, the entire population will have had Covid-19 and 11.5 million of us will be dead by Christmas Day. Shortly after New Year's Day all human life in the UK will have ended.

    Merry Christmas everyone.


    Perhaps they are just plain wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Worried? That's an understatement, our scientific advisors are forecasting an end of the UK scenario by the New Year. As seen in a recent newspaper letter in response...

    Sir - Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Advisor to the Government, tells us the epidemic is doubling every seven days.

    Thus he calculates - somewhat frighteningly - that we will have 50,000 new infections a day by mid October and 200 deaths a day a couple of weeks later. Applying exactly the same method, the entire population will have had Covid-19 and 11.5 million of us will be dead by Christmas Day. Shortly after New Year's Day all human life in the UK will have ended.

    Merry Christmas everyone.


    Perhaps they are just plain wrong.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...s-cases-rising

    Your quote is from a reader to the Telegraph.

    The October forecast is accurate, but everything beyond is is conspiratorial nonsense and the kind of uninformed misinformation and stupidity that's the root cause of why it's so difficult for countries to battle the pandemic. Because you have a not-insignificant portion of the country who don't want to battle it and don't care about the lives of others.

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...navirus-200000

    It affects elderly people, elderly people with heart problems and other problems,” Trump told a crowd of supporters in Swanton, Ohio. “That’s what it really affects. In some states, thousands of people—nobody young. Below the age of 18, like, nobody. They have a strong immune system, who knows? Take your hat off to the young, because they have a hell of an immune system. But it affects virtually nobody. It’s an amazing thing…by the way open your schools, everybody, open your schools.”
    In reality -

    6.88 MILLION CONFIRMED CASES
    200,000+ DEATHS RESULTING FROM THE VIRUS

    But I guess it only kills old folks, sucks to be them. Young folks are invulnerable, great genes. Very healthy.

    Jesus fucking christ the number of people dead due to the absolutely awe-inspiring stupidity and ignorance of my countries Commander in Chief causes me physical pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...s-cases-rising

    Your quote is from a reader to the Telegraph.

    The October forecast is accurate, but everything beyond is is conspiratorial nonsense and the kind of uninformed misinformation and stupidity that's the root cause of why it's so difficult for countries to battle the pandemic. Because you have a not-insignificant portion of the country who don't want to battle it and don't care about the lives of others.

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...navirus-200000



    In reality -

    6.88 MILLION CONFIRMED CASES
    200,000+ DEATHS RESULTING FROM THE VIRUS

    But I guess it only kills old folks, sucks to be them. Young folks are invulnerable, great genes. Very healthy.

    Jesus fucking christ the number of people dead due to the absolutely awe-inspiring stupidity and ignorance of my countries Commander in Chief causes me physical pain.
    I don't get this battling thing, the virus will do want it is going to do in the end. King Canute, even wearing a mask, commanding the tide not to come in springs to mind.

    It's not about caring or not if old people die from it as let's face it that's what all old people do, fact of life. That's what we all will do in the end, in the meantime we should not forget there is a life for now to be loved and lived.

    Meanwhile back in unmuzzled Sweden...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Meanwhile back in unmuzzled Sweden...
    https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-says-s...131658321.html

    Sweden, which so far has decided against lockdowns as a means to contain COVID-19, is seeing early signs that the number of coronavirus cases are rising again and could impose new measures in the capital, its chief health officials said on Tuesday.

    Sweden's strategy emphasising personal responsibility rather than major lockdowns to slow the virus drew fierce criticism as deaths shot up during the spring, but has also been lauded by WHO officials as a sustainable model.

    Infections dropped significantly in the summer and so far Sweden had been spared the type of sharp increases in new cases seen in Spain, France and Britain in the past month.

    However, around 1,200 new cases and five deaths have been reported since Friday compared to around 200 cases per day in the last weeks. The increase in new cases cannot solely be explained by increased testing, the Public Health Agency said on Tuesday.

    "The rolling average has increased somewhat," Anders Tegnell, Sweden's chief epidemiologist who devised its pandemic strategy, told a news conference.

    "It hasn't affected the healthcare - yet. The number of new cases at ICU is very low and the number of deaths are very low," he said.

    Tegnell said that new measures for the capital could not be ruled out. "We have a discussion with Stockholm about whether we need to introduce measures to reduce the spread of infection. Exactly what that will be, we will come back to in the next few days," he said.

    Earlier on Tuesday Stockholm's top health official warned that the region saw an increase in cases.

    "The downwards trend is broken," Stockholm Director of Health and Medical Services Bjorn Eriksson told a news conference. "We can only hope that this is a blip, that the spread start decreasing again. That depends on how well we follow the guidelines," he said.

    Sweden has reported 5,870 deaths since the start of the pandemic, many more per capita than its Nordic neighbours but also lower than countries like Spain and Italy that opted for hard lockdowns.
    Not quite worth the victory lap yet, my dude. Sweden's numbers also aren't the worst by any measure, nor are they anything to brag about thus far -

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/
    https://www.economist.com/graphic-de...-across-europe

  8. #19628
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/13...s-cases-rising

    Your quote is from a reader to the Telegraph.

    The October forecast is accurate, but everything beyond is is conspiratorial nonsense and the kind of uninformed misinformation and stupidity that's the root cause of why it's so difficult for countries to battle the pandemic. Because you have a not-insignificant portion of the country who don't want to battle it and don't care about the lives of others.
    Are you saying that the drooling non-sense was some conspiratorial idea to cast doubt on the growth of the virus?

    To me they just looked like the ramblings of a madman (and the math for the deaths doesn't seem to check out either).

    If people in the uk are actually influenced by such non-sense that explains some of their other missteps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    Meanwhile back in unmuzzled Sweden...
    Yeaah... do try that with the population density of... say, New York City.

    There are sensible measures, there are overkill measures and there is overkill ignorance.
    Balance is key to success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    If people in the uk are actually influenced by such non-sense that explains some of their other missteps.
    Related, but while BoJo isn't as completely insane as the reader is he hasn't exactly done a great job either, and there's the second wave coming now with harsher lockdowns again.

    This is the kind of Q-conspiracy driven nuttery that seems to have spread from the US to conservatives abroad. I apologize that our lunatic conspiracy theorists are leaking, we're trying to get a handle on the problem as best we can. Please bear with us during this technical difficulty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Related, but while BoJo isn't as completely insane as the reader is he hasn't exactly done a great job either, and there's the second wave coming now with harsher lockdowns again.
    I though he did an excellent job by encouraging people to eat out last month!

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-mo...elp-out-scheme

    (May contain traces of sarcasm.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forogil View Post
    I though he did an excellent job by encouraging people to eat out last month!

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-mo...elp-out-scheme

    (May contain traces of sarcasm.)
    Man...I was about to say that sounds like a great plan until I saw that it was ONLY for dine-in, not to-go. What a fuckin bunch of tossers, why would they do this. I keep seeing people dining outside and while it's less dangerous and shit like...holy shit why are people being asked to risk their lives to eat/serve food for the economy.

    At the end of the day, we're all sacrifices at the alter of the capitalist death cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dribbles View Post
    I don't get this battling thing, the virus will do want it is going to do in the end. King Canute, even wearing a mask, commanding the tide not to come in springs to mind.

    It's not about caring or not if old people die from it as let's face it that's what all old people do, fact of life. That's what we all will do in the end, in the meantime we should not forget there is a life for now to be loved and lived.

    Meanwhile back in unmuzzled Sweden...

    i was waiting for you to come back with more of this anti social distancing stuff.
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    i will never forgive you for this blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breadisfunny View Post
    i was waiting for you to come back with more of this anti social distancing stuff.
    I thought we called it Socialist Distancing?
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    Quit using other posters as levels of crazy. That is not ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    I thought we called it Socialist Distancing?
    better wording:communist space redistribution.
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    i will never forgive you for this blizzard.

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    Good news young people! Maybe you won't die from the virus but there is a real fear that you will get to enjoy Parkinson's Disease instead.
    Last edited by Corvus; 2020-09-23 at 01:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Good news young people! Maybe you won't die from the virus but there is a real fear that you will get to enjoy Parkinson's Disease when you are older instead.
    Oh good, more longterm health impacts for folks who survive the virus that will start manifesting decades later because people think there's some nonsense about "herd immunity" and that this is basically the seasonal flu.

    The future is sure gonna be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    No, lol, sorry. The posts of yours that I highlighted are from 8/7 and 8/9. The posts that you quoted are from 8/24 and 9/3,
    Yes, and? I made a statement, and then referenced it later. That's how time works in our universe: to discuss a post, it has to happen before, and the discussion has to happen after Also, you're a gaslighting liar once again: I did say what I said, not what you claimed. No goalposts were shifted. Because of your "there can be only one (peak)" ...quirk... and because you're incapable of admitting you're wrong, you're attacking me for 1.5 months over your own mistake. Give up already.


    Quote Originally Posted by PhaelixWW View Post
    From 7/31 to even your goalpost-shifted 8/31 "summer deadline", it went up over 8%.
    Let's roll with your 8% number, wherever you pulled it from. When it was declining, you said 2.6% over a week is not statistically demonstrative. When it was rising, less than 2% per week is even more not statistically demonstrative, according to yourself. Busted.

    And if you only remove India but not USA+Brazil, your chart will show decline. You're employing disingenuous lying tactics which makes you a bad person, but you're not a stupid person - that's why you were dodging my question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nobleshield View Post
    It's not 2004. People have lives, jobs, families etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Good news young people! Maybe you won't die from the virus but there is a real fear that you will get to enjoy Parkinson's Disease instead.
    It's hilarious how many studies are now done. Viral infections never got this much attention to detail. It's only natural that we discover a ton of stuff now.
    As the article says: any viral infection can cause damage to the brain, we do not know yet whether C19 is special in that regard.

    Of course you will have a significant rise in all kinds of symptoms when millions of people are affected.

  20. #19640
    https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1308793235805007874

    Man, Fauci seems like he's getting pretty fed up with idiots like Rand Paul constantly lying and intentionally misconstruing data for political purposes.

    Seriously, fuck Rand Paul.

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