Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[oevileye]

I've received my second Sputnik V shot one month ago, and yesterday I've performed my antibody test. My result is > 250 AU/ml of Аnti-SARS-CoV-2 S (spike) protein antibodies. It is a huge amount which is higher then the threshold of 15 AU/ml (a positive result). All my relatives have already received their full Sputnik V doses (two shots). All have high or huge amount of antibodies, much higher then the threshold. Well, no more fear for at least 6-8 months, I think.

[Yunru]

I've received my second Sputnik V shot one month ago, and yesterday I've performed my antibody test. My result is > 250 AU/ml of Аnti-SARS-CoV-2 S (spike) protein antibodies. It is a huge amount which is higher then the threshold of 15 AU/ml (a positive result). All my relatives have already received their full Sputnik V doses (two shots). All have high or huge amount of antibodies, much higher then the threshold. Well, no more fear for at least 6-8 months, I think.

It doesnt realy work like that. When you get injected with a weak virus so your cells can analyze it and put it into memory databank, most of t-cells will die before you get the same virus again.
Once you get infected for real, your body will send cells to fight the virus and those cells then send information back, while your body produces the new anti-bodys.
The memory t-cells that survived last vaccine will send information to other cells.

You need to get this vaccine at least 3 times to make the body more resistant. And even then it will not help much if virus mutates into another version that your body cant handle yet. If people dont get vaccine before this mutation happens, the current vaccines will be totaly useless in future on new version of it.

[Forogil]

You need to get this vaccine at least 3 times to make the body more resistant.

Sputnik V and most other vaccine are tested with just two doses and work fine with that. Some like Janssen (or J&J) only require one.

And even then it will not help much if virus mutates into another version that your body cant handle yet. If people dont get vaccine before this mutation happens, the current vaccines will be totaly useless in future on new version of it.

It's not an all or nothing deal; and it's not one mutation (although e484k "eek" is problematic).

When you get infected again with something close to the previous infection the immune system activates some memory cells again - even though it doesn't fully work.
But your immune cells start mutating to better match the new threat (evolution at work); so even if the new infection isn't that close to the previous one the immune system will still have a head start; which likely explains why the vaccine provide good protection against severe disease with variants but substantially less against mild infections.

And the real problem isn't just that the virus might accumulate enough mutations to become another variant that will bypass the immune system - but that it mutates into multiple variants; similarly to the influenza so that you would need multiple vaccines. (Yes, you can combine several related vaccines in one dose; but that reduces efficiency.)

[Felya]

I am now the only person in my extended family that has not been vaccinated... can’t even get it for 2 more weeks and the gf is already giving me shit.

[Edge-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1826952.html

More on, "Why America is incapable of effectively battling a pandemic!"

In this edition: A sitting member of the US Senate, and member of the Death Cult, attempts to blame the top infectious disease specialist for what's happening on the southern border of the US with asylum seekers and migrants. Something which has nothing to do with the purview of Dr. Anthony Fauci as immigration issues aren't his focus, and he does not dictate policy for ICE/CBP.

Also in this edition: A former top advisor to the previous Death Cult administration seems to blame Fauci for the virus itself, insinuating he created it -

“What is Fauci the father of?” he saoid. “Fauci is the father of the actual virus.”

I'm so glad that functional human beings are back in charge at the federal level and we're not still talking about injecting bleach and sunlight into people.

[Edge-]

Montana Governor Greg Gianforte has Covid now. As a reminder, this is the dude that body slammed a reporter for *checks notes* asking questions during his Congressional campaign -



Couldn't happen to a nicer piece of shit.

[Slant]

Shower thought: With basically the entire planet getting vaccinated, will this be the final nail in the coffin of anti-vaxxer propaganda? Or will we see an entire generation of autists be born? Stay tuned...

[Gaidax]

Shower thought: With basically the entire planet getting vaccinated, will this be the final nail in the coffin of anti-vaxxer propaganda? Or will we see an entire generation of autists be born? Stay tuned...

Confirmed, the shadow government of the world wants to control us all via vaccines! Resist!

I mean, I'd say - it would only feed the fire there.

[Deus Mortis]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clear-bet...115707510.html
Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots in brain, EMA official tells paper

ROME (Reuters) - There is a link between AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine and very rare blood clots in the brain but the possible causes are still unknown, a senior official for the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said in an interview published on Tuesday.

However, the EMA later said in a statement that its review of the vaccine was ongoing and it expected to announce its findings on Wednesday or Thursday. An AstraZeneca spokesman declined to comment on the matter.

"In my opinion, we can now say it, it is clear that there is an association (of the brain blood clots) with the vaccine. However, we still do not know what causes this reaction," Marco Cavaleri, chair of the vaccine evaulation team at the EMA, told Italian daily Il Messagero.

Cavaleri provided no evidence to support his comment.

The EMA has repeatedly said the benefits of the AstraZeneca shot outweigh the risks as it investigates 44 reports of an extremely rare brain clotting ailment known as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) out of 9.2 million people in the European Economic Area who have received the vaccine.

The World Health Organization has also backed the vaccine.

AstraZeneca has said previously its studies have found no higher risk of clots because of its vaccine.

Cavaleri said the EMA would say in its review that there is a link but was not likely to give an indication this week regarding the age of individuals to whom the AstraZeneca shot should be given.

Some countries, including France, Germany and the Netherlands, have suspending the use of the vaccine in younger people while the investigations continue.

[Edge-]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/clear-bet...115707510.html
Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots in brain, EMA official tells paper

Cavaleri provided no evidence to support his comment.

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The EMA said last week that its review had at present not identified any specific risk factors, such as age, gender or a previous medical history of clotting disorders, for these very rare events. A causal link with the vaccine is not proven, but is possible and further analysis is continuing, the agency said.

...wat? So "There's a link" but they have no clue what that link is...because they haven't found it?

[Gaidax]

Masks will no longer be required outdoors starting April 18 in Israel.

[Forogil]

...wat? So "There's a link" but they have no clue what that link is...because they haven't found it?

That's how real science works.

It's normal to find out that A causes B, and then you try to work out how.

As an example Pandemrix as a cause of narcolepsy in some countries for the swine flu vaccination 2009 was tentatively found 2010, but not clearly established until 2011 - without knowing how. Some possible explanations were found 2013-2014, but people still don't agree on the details.

We might know more when EMA present their full findings. As already reported one indication is that it could be an auto-immune response, another possibility is that this in turn might be caused by intravenous injections and procedures should be updated - https://www.coronaheadsup.com/corona...investigation/

[Combatbutler]

...wat? So "There's a link" but they have no clue what that link is...because they haven't found it?

Something like that is not uncommon, to give a different example, you don't give kids aspirin, since there is a small chance to cause the reye syndrome in combination with a viral infection, how this works precisely is unknown. But the risk is there

[Edge-]

That's how real science works.

It's normal to find out that A causes B, and then you try to work out how.

As an example Pandemrix as a cause of narcolepsy in some countries for the swine flu vaccination 2009 was tentatively found 2010, but not clearly established until 2011 - without knowing how. Some possible explanations were found 2013-2014, but people still don't agree on the details.

We might know more when EMA present their full findings. As already reported one indication is that it could be an auto-immune response, another possibility is that this in turn might be caused by intravenous injections and procedures should be updated - https://www.coronaheadsup.com/corona...investigation/

But again.

No evidence to support per the article.

No causal link. No "A causes B".

They causal link is important, but understanding it takes even longer. If they can't even identify a causal link, it remains correlation. They have some theories, but none of them seem to be the causal link yet.

[Felya]

Masks will no longer be required outdoors starting April 18 in Israel.

June 15th California is opening up... just got a news alert...

[Edge-]

June 15th California is opening up... just got a news alert...

At least I'll be fully vaccinated by then, but like shit am I going back to full normal yet.

[Gaidax]

At least I'll be fully vaccinated by then, but like shit am I going back to full normal yet.

Well when you have majority of adult pop at least where I live vaccinated - it's really no more concern.

We had fully unrestricted passover holidays a week ago and seems like it went without a hitch, there is a bump in R number of like 0.1, but seems like that's about it.

I think we're going to start vaccinating 12-16 yo, waiting for that one to be approved, but overall it seems like what we have as is - already does the job.

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I think masks will be part of my outfits going forward. I like not getting sick and ever since I started wearing one I haven’t been, knock on wood.

To be fair, masks are not for you/me - they are for people you are with. I used to wear N95s (or Chinese knock offs of those, rather), but after getting vaccinated I wear standard surgical and mostly because it's required by authorities and once that's lifted - I'll stop.

It's all nice and well, but I'm not really going to be hypochondriac about it, if you're vaccinated - you're ok. It's really time for some normalcy here and I glad things went smooth here with vaccinations.

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I hear Moderna are working on some combo flu/covid shot, so you can just do it yearly with your standard flu shot. Now that's something I like to be doing years forward.

[Edge-]

Well when you have majority of adult pop at least where I live vaccinated - it's really no more concern.

We had fully unrestricted passover holidays a week ago and seems like it went without a hitch, there is a bump in R number of like 0.1, but seems like that's about it.

I think we're going to start vaccinating 12-16 yo, waiting for that one to be approved, but overall it seems like what we have as is - already does the job.

I don't trust that the state will have enough folks vaccinated by that time, especially given the disturbingly large number of people (including over half of Republican men, apparently) who say they will refuse to get the vaccine.

I mean, I'm totes looking forward to getting back to normal with my immediate family and friends and whatnot, but I don't trust the "general public" in the slightest. *Insert Men in Black speech about a person being smart and people being dumb here*

[Gaidax]

I don't trust that the state will have enough folks vaccinated by that time, especially given the disturbingly large number of people (including over half of Republican men, apparently) who say they will refuse to get the vaccine.

I mean, I'm totes looking forward to getting back to normal with my immediate family and friends and whatnot, but I don't trust the "general public" in the slightest. *Insert Men in Black speech about a person being smart and people being dumb here*

Well I mean, the general public here came through.

And dayum, we sure ain't a bunch of intellectuals following recommendations to the letter. There are still a million adults who are running around unvaccinated despite being two taps away in the app from scheduling immediate appointment, but it seems in the grand scheme of things - they don't really matter anyway when you have 4 times that amount covered.

In the end herd immunity does seem to work and that's all that matters. If you got covered, your family got covered - then that's it in my book.

There will be always people who are a tad off, but they don't matter anymore. Like I know this guy who is convinced that government is planting "chips" inside people with vaccines and I'm not even arguing with him, because he's an old guy who's firm in his beliefs and you just can't change that - it's like religious people, firm belief in X. Ultimately I would just be wasting my time. But he just does not matter for me anymore as far as C19 is concerned.

I certainly won't be hiding under the rock for the rest of my life just because minority of idiots believe in nonsense. If you're vaccinated, that's that.

[Forogil]

But again.

No evidence to support per the article.

No causal link. No "A causes B".

Some got the vaccine and then they got this side-effect in significant numbers; thus the conclusion is that the vaccine causes the rare blood clot in combination with blood platelet deficiency. That's how evidence normally works.

People still don't know how another vaccine caused a side-effect more than a decade after it happened.

People actually began using vaccines before they had discovered viruses, and we still don't fully understand how they work even now.