Why can't we use a Horde character? Maybe undead Kael'thas?
Why can't we use a Horde character? Maybe undead Kael'thas?
Bolvar most certainly should not become the leader of the Forsaken and Calia even more certainly should not become his sub-leader. Especially of Lightforged undead as no such thing should ever exist. Back to Bolvar, not only is he currently above factions, but any faction ties he has are towards the Alliance. On multiple levels. On top of that, the Forsaken (albeit rebel ones) are what caused him to become a charred mess in the first place. And Sylvanas just disgraced him to boot, first with their duel and then making him lose control over the Scourge and utterly failing at his one single task. And all of that still pales in comparison to how the Forsaken dislike the Lich King.
Bolvar is so qualified as a leader of an undead faction that despite the faction in question being bound to his will and him being in that position solely because said undead would become An EvEn GrEaTeR tHrEaT otherwise in the ~6 years since him becoming the Lich King he still didn't manage to get them all to jump into a volcano to remove the problem altogether.
To lead Quel'Thalas and Lordaeron in a personal union? I can already see the sea of salt that would cause.
Quel'Thalas left the Alliance for good before there even were Forsaken.
If Lightforged undead ever become a thing, which they never should, why on earth should the Alliance get them? They already got one Horde racial model and that is already more than enough.
Forsaken still have plenty of outposts they can fortify and turn into their new seat of power.
Seeing as how Orcs, Trolls, Goblins and Forsaken dont have any leading figure currently, I'd say there's a path that Blizz lore team is following, which is just remove leaders. Yeah, we have Thrall, Rokhan and Gazlowe, but they are not their race's leaders.
But then Alliance is full of leaders so idk...
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Then he'd turn full Habsburg and be all "All your thrones are belong to us" and go on a crusade against the Alliance to get the crowns of their monarchies. You know, when Blizzard needs to villain-bat the Horde again. It will end with Kael babbling about how Shadowlands was merely a setback and how he was plotting this master plan all the time he spent in Revendreth.
Obviously Bolvar's gonna be the Lich King again at the end of Shadowlands when we have to rebuild the crown to close the rift above ICC, if he for some reason chooses not to be the LK again, he'd rejoin the Alliance not lead the Forsaken.
Just pointing out, Bolvar was, like Lothar before him, a refugee who integrated into his new home country. There's been hints here and there over the years, but Taelia all but spells it out that Bolvar came from Lordaeron with the other refugees (she mentions having come from Lordaeron and being sent to Kul'tiras during the Scourging, and Bolvar being her old man, it narrows things down significantly as to where he came from). He also apparently knew Tirion from those days, as Tirion refers to him as an old friend, but Tirion had only come out of exile within a couple years in-universe before the death knights drew him out of hiding at Light's Hope, making it highly unlikely that he and Bolvar knew each other after the Third War (especially since Bolvar would most likely have fled south with Lordaeron's survivors, taking refuge in Stormwind, before Lordaeron's total collapse, shortly after Terenas's assassination/patricide/regicide).
Sorry to get off on something of a tangent. But on that front, at least, Bolvar would have some claim. The bigger issues at work are that Bolvar's sympathies are likely still biased toward the Alliance, as seen with the Four Horsemen (three fallen human champions, one of which was a famous Alliance king, another of which was a high inquisitor of Lordaeron's largest living remnant faction at the time, and the third of which was another Lordaeron survivor prior to sacrificing himself, and one Horde general). It's just that the bias is faint. The big issue, of course, is that he's the Lich King.
Calia is one thing--those Forsaken who lived in Lordaeron, Gilneas, and Arathi all likely remember her fondly, if only because she was a very inoffensive figure prior to the fall of Lordaeron, and she ostensibly has a blood claim to the throne should the Forsaken be agreeable to restoring the Menethil monarchy for whatever reason (and even that's a stretch, really). But I highly doubt the Forsaken would ever willingly rally under the Lich King's banner, save those already affiliated with the Ebon Blade.
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Err i think this boat has sailed.
It will be Calia. And tbh only players would not be happy with that. The in-game fictional characters would welcome having a ruler that cares about them.
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Even if Bolvar was originally from Lordaeron, he has as much claim as any Forsaken, or less depending on what Forsaken you ask. Calia has the most claim of any by rule of ascension. Bolvar could never even stake claim to the throne of Stormwind when Varian went missing, much less that of a dead nation he never had royal blood to rule over on the basis of hierarchy.
So you plugging your ears and pretending that lore written by Blizzard doesn't exist is properly written fan fiction?
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I'd like it, personally. Bolvar, ever since Legion, has had a very Forsaken/Scourge attitude about himself. "Do this or I wreck your shit." That is not Bolvar Fordragon speaking. That's the Lich King. He held a gun to the Death Knight's head back in Legion, and no one really talks about that. Any ties to the Alliance, Bolvar gave up when he donned the Crown of Domination. Just because that Crown is now destroyed, doesn't mean he's suddenly going to don the gold and blue, and stand next to Anduin again. He's done far too much. If he tried that, the Ebon Blade would blow the whistle and demand justice.
No, Bolvar, if he WERE to join a faction, makes sense to join the Forsaken.
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