Should Bolvar lead the Forsaken post Sylvanas?

[Martymark]

Thrall should lead the Forsaken. They live in Orgrimmar now anyway...

[ravenmoon]

I want whatever you're smoking, because this is the worst level of speculation I can imagine.

You're not even listening to why Bolvar is a bad choice. You're just like, "Bolvar lead Scourge. Bolvar can lead Forsaken. Herp, derp."

That's because I'm not convinced the reasons for Bolvar not to be are good enough. But I do acknowledge they are valid enough.

For me, Bolvar is a good enough guy, and suited to lead an Undead faction that's not evil. If you don't want the horde to be the evil faction, Sylvanas in her current form makes a better Lich Queen, and Bolvar an undead leader for the faction. Calia makes sense as an allied race leader, but she could also work as the Forsaken leader.


I think people think he is a bad choice because they still think of him as alliance. And that's it. Bolvar became Lich King, with no more action involved unless you played a DK in Legion.. and I think that is the main reason, they're not really factoring he is not alliance but the undead ruler. Sylvanas had a lot more of her shown after she transitioned, so people think of her in her current capacity.

I find he is a familiar and powerful enough replacement, and when I consider who he actualy is now, Id on't have an issue reconcile him with the undead.

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Thrall should lead the Forsaken. They live in Orgrimmar now anyway...

THey do live there, but I ohpe blizzard gives them their own home.

[Seranthor]

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Yet thru all your handwaving and stammering you continue to evade/ignore/refuse to answer a simple question... WHY Would Bolivar WANT to lead the Forsaken?

Suited you say? Suited to order them to their deaths for what they did to him.

It's not that he's a BAD choice... He's probably one of the worst choices in all of Warcraft history to lead the very people that are responsible for his disfigurement, and his capture and torture at the hands of the Lich King.

Yes, yes, I know you are going to start waving your arms about saying 'he's perfect for the job'...

[yamix]

Nothing really points this way, and the story quests all seem to be leading to a Calia Forsaken faction of some kind... Possibly even an Alliance faction (Calia/Derek Proudmoore) and a Horde faction (Voss?), that part is unclear, and I only mention the possibility because she walks away with the undead sentinels and I'm not sure where they go or if that is implying they return with her. Most likely scenario seems to be that Calia takes control.

[Piamonte]

That's because I'm not convinced the reasons for Bolvar not to be are good enough. But I do acknowledge they are valid enough.

For me, Bolvar is a good enough guy, and suited to lead an Undead faction that's not evil. If you don't want the horde to be the evil faction, Sylvanas in her current form makes a better Lich Queen, and Bolvar an undead leader for the faction. Calia makes sense as an allied race leader, but she could also work as the Forsaken leader.


I think people think he is a bad choice because they still think of him as alliance. And that's it. Bolvar became Lich King, with no more action involved unless you played a DK in Legion.. and I think that is the main reason, they're not really factoring he is not alliance but the undead ruler. Sylvanas had a lot more of her shown after she transitioned, so people think of her in her current capacity.

I find he is a familiar and powerful enough replacement, and when I consider who he actualy is now, Id on't have an issue reconcile him with the undead.

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THey do live there, but I ohpe blizzard gives them their own home.

Dude shut up, you dont know what you are talking about, your line of thinking is pretty much: "oh i like it then it totally makes sense and must happen", the thing is, it doesnt make sense!!!

[ravenmoon]

Yet thru all your handwaving and stammering you continue to evade/ignore/refuse to answer a simple question... WHY Would Bolivar WANT to lead the Forsaken?

Suited you say? Suited to order them to their deaths for what they did to him.

It's not that he's a BAD choice... He's probably one of the worst choices in all of Warcraft history to lead the very people that are responsible for his disfigurement, and his capture and torture at the hands of the Lich King.

Yes, yes, I know you are going to start waving your arms about saying 'he's perfect for the job'...

Oh come on Seranthor, given what the scourge did worse and he leads them.

The reason i want him is becasue he is the Lich King, and it fits that a Lich King should lead the undead forsaken. Besides, I think motivated to prevent them from ever becoming Sylvanas or anything terrible fits Bolvar.. I mean that's why he took up the crown in the first place,

[Seranthor]

Oh come on Seranthor, given what the scourge did worse and he leads them.

The reason i want him is becasue he is the Lich King, and it fits that a Lich King should lead the undead forsaken. Besides, I think motivated to prevent them from ever becoming Sylvanas or anything terrible fits Bolvar.. I mean that's why he took up the crown in the first place,

Since you seem distracted by words... I'll be really short with you.

WHY WOULD BOLIVAR WANT TO LEAD THE FORSAKEN?

[Axxil]

Nope. He's Bolvar the Bitch King now.

Useless character.

[Pony Soldier]

Nah, he doesn't make much sense as the leader of the Forsaken. I was thinking they could have some sort of redeeming arc for Nathanos where he goes against Sylvanas and earns the respect of the Forsaken people.

WoW is so short on characters anymore since they've killed off pretty much everyone and anyone who is still alive has become a useless turd like Thrall. So it's kinda hard to replace these major characters that have been so iconic throughout the whole Warcraft franchise.

[Black Goat]

That's because I'm not convinced the reasons for Bolvar not to be are good enough. But I do acknowledge they are valid enough.

For me, Bolvar is a good enough guy, and suited to lead an Undead faction that's not evil. If you don't want the horde to be the evil faction, Sylvanas in her current form makes a better Lich Queen, and Bolvar an undead leader for the faction. Calia makes sense as an allied race leader, but she could also work as the Forsaken leader.


I think people think he is a bad choice because they still think of him as alliance. And that's it. Bolvar became Lich King, with no more action involved unless you played a DK in Legion.. and I think that is the main reason, they're not really factoring he is not alliance but the undead ruler. Sylvanas had a lot more of her shown after she transitioned, so people think of her in her current capacity.

I find he is a familiar and powerful enough replacement, and when I consider who he actualy is now, Id on't have an issue reconcile him with the undead.

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THey do live there, but I ohpe blizzard gives them their own home.

Except he's not the ruler of the undead. He's the ruler of the Scourge.

The Forsaken killed him. The Plague killed him that was unleashed by members of the Forsaken race.

The only reasoning you've offered, which is extremely frustrating to watch you say the same thing over and over, is that he is "the ruler of the undead". If you're going to say the dozen or so reasons you've been presented with aren't good enough, let me tell you, your reasoning for him being their leader is as flimsy as it gets. You're either trolling or you're not reading people's responses to you. Whichever, I think you're not here to have a discussion at all or else you'd actually counter our points instead of repeating yourself over and over.

You're blatantly ignoring that he also no longer has the Helm of Domination, which allowed him the control of the Scourge in the first place. Unless the Helm is reforged, he's kind of up the creek without a paddle. He's just a burnt reanimated corpse now.