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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    Just because it's unreliable doesn't mean it's impossible. Again, this has been in practice all the way to at least 2008 until they removed the number after the instance. Which is what they did in this change, removed the instance number. Doesn't matter if the queue is 30 minutes or 3 minutes, it's still possible.

    Of course I have queued. Me and my friends AV together sometimes and were making sure if one got in, the other would single queue in. Exactly how we did it up to 2008. Majority of people get into AV 20, so everyone who can single queues to AV 20 or waits for the next premade to start. What a stupid silly ass question.

    It's a CHANGE to the game and as I have said before, the no changes crowd should be losing their minds about this. Instead they are defending it which makes them hypocrites.
    A simple, we can't reliably do it would have been suffice.

    No changes is a meme, we've had changes from the very beginning. Stop trying so hard to be a drama lama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic12 View Post
    What isn't true? Horde dominated more servers and have undeniably a larger total population, objectively.
    You said everyone rolled Horde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    A simple, we can't reliably do it would have been suffice.

    No changes is a meme, we've had changes from the very beginning. Stop trying so hard to be a drama lama.
    I wasn't the one arguing it is impossible. Maybe not jump to an extreme when you're arguing?

    There are those who swear by it, but then defend the changes. I want changes personally and I have no problem with it if it's for the health of the game. I do, however, dislike how some changes are acceptable and others aren't. I don't want to get to retail levels of changes, but there were obvious things that people asked for back then (myself included) that took them years to add due to technical limitations or super slow patch development.

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    how can you be glad about changes in a game where everyone wanted NO changes.

    the first change is only the beginning. HF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    I wasn't the one arguing it is impossible. Maybe not jump to an extreme when you're arguing?

    There are those who swear by it, but then defend the changes. I want changes personally and I have no problem with it if it's for the health of the game. I do, however, dislike how some changes are acceptable and others aren't. I don't want to get to retail levels of changes, but there were obvious things that people asked for back then (myself included) that took them years to add due to technical limitations or super slow patch development.
    I'm not arguing, that's you. I asked how can you reliably do it, did not say it was impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by froschhure View Post
    how can you be glad about changes in a game where everyone wanted NO changes.

    the first change is only the beginning. HF
    We've had plenty of changes already, we were aware of them before launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    I'm not arguing, that's you. I asked how can you reliably do it, did not say it was impossible.

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    We've had plenty of changes already, we were aware of them before launch.
    If you read my original response, it was "prior to this change." Which was as reliable as it could be. You get X amount of your premade in the same AV and then everyone single queues into that AV. There has never ever once been a 100% sure fire way to queue as premade for AV as Alliance or Horde. Never once did I say it was perfect, but it was completely possible. This change added makes AV premades almost nearly impossible which didn't happen until Wrath. That's a huge change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    If you read my original response, it was "prior to this change." Which was as reliable as it could be. You get X amount of your premade in the same AV and then everyone single queues into that AV. There has never ever once been a 100% sure fire way to queue as premade for AV as Alliance or Horde. Never once did I say it was perfect, but it was completely possible. This change added makes AV premades almost nearly impossible which didn't happen until Wrath. That's a huge change.
    We're talking about Horde premades in Classic, your queue time is 40+ mins.

    If you get X amount of your premade in the same game, everyone else who single queues will not get in the same game... as it will be over by the time their queue pops.

    I play Horde on retail, my AV queues at the end of vanilla and TBC were pretty much instant. I can't remember exactly, but I'm fairly certain they were 1-2 mins, making it much easier to premade. But none of that matters, as we are talking about Classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warning View Post
    No changes is a dumb idea and I'm glad Blizzard abandoned it. Lets say we suddenly find an exploit that was present but never found in 2005 that allows you to oneshot any boss. That exploit should be fixed, even if it existed back then. Similarly things that come up now that really screw up the game, like the premade meta should be addressed.
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    Prefer if they moved to the original AV.

    Yea yea yea 1.12 blah blah but this is already a hybrid of a few patches. And pre 1.6 AV is what most people seem to be expecting and is the version of AV that legendary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mkivtt View Post
    Your tears are delicious.

    "Mommy I can't zerg in a 40-man premade group and cheese paladin bubble pull anymore, I actually have to fight people on the same footing WAAAH WAAH WAAAAAAAAAAH!"

    Cry more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    We're talking about Horde premades in Classic, your queue time is 40+ mins.

    If you get X amount of your premade in the same game, everyone else who single queues will not get in the same game... as it will be over by the time their queue pops.

    I play Horde on retail, my AV queues at the end of vanilla and TBC were pretty much instant. I can't remember exactly, but I'm fairly certain they were 1-2 mins, making it much easier to premade. But none of that matters, as we are talking about Classic.
    I know what we're talking about. Yes queue times are large.

    That's due to how fast people are rushing to the end. That has always been the case with AV premades. Some people get in to AV [#] and the rest single queue and if you don't get in you don't get in and wait for the next round. Now you can't even do that with this change.

    Queues were never instant or "1-2 minutes" for AV. I played from 2005 until today and I can tell you your memory is not a reliable thing to go on. People have complained about queue times ad infinitum. Server pools with larger Alliance or Horde ratios always have lopsided queue times. The problem is more people play Horde over Alliance in Classic.

    You're arguing about something that went from possible, but unlikely to impossible and it's rather silly. This change killed that which was possible all the way to Wrath is my point. Either they reverse it, or we should start getting changes that make sense for the game's longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    Some people get in to AV [#] and the rest single queue and if you don't get in you don't get in and wait for the next round.
    Again, not arguing, that's you.

    So people single queue for 40+ mins as Horde to try and snipe a game where maybe a significant number of people got into a AV, which is already a low chance.

    Ok then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rotted View Post
    You're a braver man than I am to say those words on this website
    I don't think anyone genuinely expected no changes in Classic. #nochanges movement was always a joke meme. Nobody is that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Hunter View Post
    Prefer if they moved to the original AV.

    Yea yea yea 1.12 blah blah but this is already a hybrid of a few patches. And pre 1.6 AV is what most people seem to be expecting and is the version of AV that legendary.
    There is a reason why 1.12 exists. Everyone cried back then about AV being the dreaded time pit of death taking days to end. Now people crying for the time pit of death to return? Who's crying is blizzard suppose to listen to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    Again, not arguing, that's you.

    So people single queue for 40+ mins as Horde to try and snipe a game where maybe a significant number of people got into a AV, which is already a low chance.

    Ok then...
    That's how it works exactly. Sorry you don't get the concept of how premades are/were formed. The queue time is irrelevant and single queuing works just fine when you knew the AV to choose. If you went to Alliance side right now, that's exactly how they would do it, prior to this change. You have to wait for the queue regardless of how long it is. The idea is to get as many people in as possible.

    Saying you're not arguing when you're trying to provide a counterpoint is childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    That's how it works exactly. Sorry you don't get the concept of how premades are/were formed. The queue time is irrelevant and single queuing works just fine when you knew the AV to choose. If you went to Alliance side right now, that's exactly how they would do it, prior to this change. You have to wait for the queue regardless of how long it is. The idea is to get as many people in as possible.

    Saying you're not arguing when you're trying to provide a counterpoint is childish.
    Ok, so to premade as Horde, you have to queue for 40+ mins, hope you get in the group with others, which is a low chance. If you don't get in, you then drop queue, and queue for a further 40+ mins to try and snipe in the AV game. This would require the game to last for 40+ mins and hope that someone leaves that game when you are next inline, and by that time, you're missing most of the honour/rep. When you queue for a specific game, other games can pop instead.

    What an idiotic thing to do, I also feel sorry for anyone that thinks having a discussion is an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkommo View Post
    Ok, so to premade as Horde, you have to queue for 40+ mins, hope you get in the group with others, which is a low chance. If you don't get in, you then drop queue, and queue for a further 40+ mins to try and snipe in the AV game. This would require the game to last for 40+ mins and hope that someone leaves that game when you are next inline, and by that time, you're missing most of the honour/rep. When you queue for a specific game, other games can pop instead.

    What an idiotic thing to do, I also feel sorry for anyone that thinks having a discussion is an argument.
    I don't think hes gonna get it lol. Hes gonna say it's possible that 40 ppl queue at once and the planets align and all 40 ppl get into the same AV and it is technically possible therefore horde can premade lmao. Either that or he thinks a few ppl queing directly to a specific av number even tho it will be over after 40 mins, would somehow work.

    Ally can premade AV. Horde do not premade AV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellieg View Post
    I don't think hes gonna get it lol. Hes gonna say it's possible that 40 ppl queue at once and the planets align and all 40 ppl get into the same AV and it is technically possible therefore horde can premade lmao. Either that or he thinks a few ppl queing directly to a specific av number even tho it will be over after 40 mins, would somehow work.

    Ally can premade AV. Horde do not premade AV.
    It's laughable, and indeed it is possible. He tried to claim I'm arguing that it's impossible which I never did.

    I just questioned the reliability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by froschhure View Post
    how can you be glad about changes in a game where everyone wanted NO changes.

    the first change is only the beginning. HF
    Only a very tiny loud % of people did not want changes and the game went live with about 20 that no one seemed to care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fancydress View Post
    I don't think anyone genuinely expected no changes in Classic. #nochanges movement was always a joke meme. Nobody is that stupid.
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