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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    Love how so many people think a light saber, which has some thickness to it, piercing the core of your body isn't a big deal that you can get back up from a few days later. It would destroy anything in its path and around it, cauterizing what it didn't destroy , making the area it hits completely fucked up to a degree that it would be hard to fix anything at all. This isn't a bladed weapon that makes a narrow hole, this is a beam of light incinerating everything in front of it. Also the Maul defense is pretty garbage because I found him surviving to be terrible writing too btw.
    And yet, it canonically happens over and over.

    There area a lot of people in here making complaints that boil down to "I don't like Star Wars!"

    And y'know, that's fine, but why are you pissing in our pool and trying to ruin it for everyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    And let's not forget that in Star Wars, their cybernetics are so advanced that you can be kept alive with insane amounts of your body replaced.
    Hell, General Grievous. That dude isn't a droid. The only parts of him still biological are parts of his head, not even the whole thing.


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    RLM review for this was pretty funny, "it's kind of cheap and stupid and makes no sense...but I think I like it?"

    But mostly rock-bottom standards after Picard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And yet, it canonically happens over and over.

    There area a lot of people in here making complaints that boil down to "I don't like Star Wars!"

    And y'know, that's fine, but why are you pissing in our pool and trying to ruin it for everyone else?
    This is stupid gatekeeping fuckery.

    Someone pointing out a fact about a particular thing doesn't mean they "don't like Star Wars".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    This is stupid gatekeeping fuckery.

    Someone pointing out a fact about a particular thing doesn't mean they "don't like Star Wars".
    If you're complaining about genre tropes, it kinda does. If you're complaining that the Force doesn't make sense and can do whatever the writers say, yeah, that's "not liking Star Wars". There's some parts of the narrative that you've got to suspend your disbelief in, because that's how the genre and this specific property work.

    It's like watching a Looney Tunes cartoon and complaining that cartoon physics isn't realistic enough.

    People get stabbed, and live, all the time. If that's your issue with this show, or Reva as a character, you're not making a reasonable argument. This isn't a first for Star Wars, by any means, so why is it suddenly not okay here, with this character?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashana Darkmoon View Post
    RLM review for this was pretty funny, "it's kind of cheap and stupid and makes no sense...but I think I like it?"

    But mostly rock-bottom standards after Picard
    I thought it was a pretty good episode overall.

    We finally get to see Vader being a figure worthy of some fear and not just the bad guy to get clowned all the time. The complete and utter lack of respect he showed toward Reva's attack was immensely amusing to me.

    The stormtroopers did at least hit a few people this time! And they were up against a more-capable Obi-Wan in a narrow space this time, so it made a little more sense that the refugees could retreat with minimal losses.

    Also, the absurd level of respect Obi-Wan gave toward Vader by having their trick at the end be predicated on the assumption that Vader would actually be able to stop and rip apart their ship was pretty funny. I really don't think anyone would have thought of that in advance, but just thinking that Obi-Wan really gave Vader that level of respect was funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If you're complaining about genre tropes, it kinda does.

    People get stabbed, and live, all the time. If that's your issue with this show, or Reva as a character, you're not making a reasonable argument. This isn't a first for Star Wars, by any means, so why is it suddenly not okay here, with this character?
    They don't get stabbed with lightsabers "all the time" and live, it's actually fairly rare in the canon to get hit in center mass with one and live at all. Particularly because it's just such a grievous wound. You can't even just stitch it up like a stab or cut because the tissue is just gone. It's just a hole now, not a narrow stab wound that can be sealed up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If you're complaining that the Force doesn't make sense and can do whatever the writers say, yeah, that's "not liking Star Wars". There's some parts of the narrative that you've got to suspend your disbelief in, because that's how the genre and this specific property work.
    And this is dumb gatekeeping fuckery, too.

    "Force can do anything" isn't a synonym for "bad writing can't happen".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    The data you asked for was rather the people (this thread) thought the “proof” you provided was lacking or not, that’s more or less an opinion poll, and the results of that poll is the opinion in question is correct.
    You are not listening. It doesn't matter what the question is - the numbers are irrelevant to facts.

    I'm pretty sure you would've been a flat earther back in the day when the majority of people thought that the actual planetary motion is unconvincing. "The sun just goes around the earth, it rises there, and sets on the other end. Burn the witch!".
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2022 - that's two-zero-two-two, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of double-masked tripple-jabbed sissies who stand with Ukraine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    You are not listening. It doesn't matter what the question is - the numbers are irrelevant to facts.
    The number's are the facts as this is what you asked for data on and the number of replies and which way they lean is said data.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    People have seen The provided “proof” people have fulfilled there burden and found said “proof” lacking.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    "I'm fine with the idea of a physically impossible laser sword that has zero basis in science. But you are suggesting you can survive getting stabbed by it, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE SCIENCE REASONS."

    Right. Okay then.
    Cool then they should have a flying elephant that shots icecream at its foes, same logic you use. Its called internal consistency, and when Qui gon gets done in by the same stab, the least you expect is a gravely injured and out of it 3rd sister. but whatever its Disney they can do whatever and you will gobble it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Surviving a stab from a lightsaber is not new. Arguing "that should have killed her" is pointless and ignores the other stuff that far exceeds her.

    Using "real world" logic, Maul should be dead as should Anakin after Mustafar. Drawing the line here and saying "This is too far" is being ridiculous at best and just trolling at worst. And we aren't even getting into Legends characters that should have no survived. But, a short list is Revan, Sion, and Malgus to name a few. You may notice a pattern with characters surviving when they shouldn't ... they tend to be Dark Side Force users.

    The Humans in the Star Wars galaxy are more durable than humans in the real world AND Force Users are even more so. Complaining that someone can live in a world of essentially magic where people survived worse injuries is just silly.

    And let's not forget that in Star Wars, their cybernetics are so advanced that you can be kept alive with insane amounts of your body replaced.
    The same stab wound killed Qui gon, it should have if not killed put her out for the rest of the show. Now you are ignoring things. I didn't saw Maul should be alive, keep up. Anakin is debatable, but at least he was fucked up and relegated to a mechanic body and a suit for the rest of his life. I am sorry I like consequences for getting stabbed in the chest with a light saber more than she got healed off screen in 2 minutes, to me that is lazy as fuck writing. Enjoy it I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    Its called internal consistency, and when Qui gon gets done in by the same stab
    The crux here being "the same stab". It's not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post

    And please. "It's Star Wars" is not enough for suspension of my disbelief.
    Your entire problem is 100% a you problem, then. If a battlestation that blows up a planet and can travel faster than the speed of light doesn't suspend your disbelief, but people surviving wounds that would be fatal to us in the real world - that's a you issue. Star Wars has always had magic, even if you disregard the Force, like Bacta, that can miraculously heal basically any injury - excepf for when you're Anakin Skywalker, then the plot demands you suffer.

    Heck, Star Wars has people continuing to interact with the real world after their death. The Force is strong enough so people can keep existing and communicating with people alive, but Force users (especially motivated ones) that get stabbed is to much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    The same stab wound killed Qui gon, it should have if not killed put her out for the rest of the show.
    Two people can suffer the same wound. One lives, one dies. That's pretty normal in medicine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    The same stab wound killed Qui gon, it should have if not killed put her out for the rest of the show. Now you are ignoring things. I didn't saw Maul should be alive, keep up. Anakin is debatable, but at least he was fucked up and relegated to a mechanic body and a suit for the rest of his life. I am sorry I like consequences for getting stabbed in the chest with a light saber more than she got healed off screen in 2 minutes, to me that is lazy as fuck writing. Enjoy it I guess.
    Some people have been shot in the head and live, for most people that's lethal.

    For most of Star Wars, time isn't defined. There are only 4 movies that have something that is timed, 2 of them are only in part of the movie (ANH and TFA) which the other two, the timeline is part of the plot.
    So, how much time has actually passed between scenes for most of Star Wars is unknown. For all we know for example with the Grand Inquisitor, he was in a bacta tank for over a week because we aren't told anything about how much time exists between scenes.

    And Qui-Gon didn't die instantly. Also, don't tell me to keep up when you fell on your face. I didn't say you said anything about Maul. I am pointing out that someone surviving injuries like this is far more normal in Star Wars than them dying. Qui-Gon appears the exception, not the rule. And was so even before Disney, so this isn't a Disney thing. The difference is as simple as Qui-Gon accepted his death while others refused to die.

    The only reason it is lazy is because it is repeated again in the same story. You don't have to like it, but if this really bothers you then you don't actually like Star Wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bledgor View Post
    Love how so many people think a light saber, which has some thickness to it, piercing the core of your body isn't a big deal that you can get back up from a few days later. It would destroy anything in its path and around it, cauterizing what it didn't destroy , making the area it hits completely fucked up to a degree that it would be hard to fix anything at all. This isn't a bladed weapon that makes a narrow hole, this is a beam of light incinerating everything in front of it. Also the Maul defense is pretty garbage because I found him surviving to be terrible writing too btw.
    Love that you missed this shit happening to GI IN THIS SERIES and still have this stance. Also say hi to Maul when you catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Well that wasn't addressed to you, but for others to see.

    But par for the course, you do realize you do not represent everyone right?
    cough cough.........
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    "I'm not enjoying this show and it's awful writing at all! Oh well, better keep watching the episodes as they come out."

    Some people really do need to learn basic things like the fact they don't have to enjoy everything, the ability to just stop watching and move on like a well adjusted person, or that maybe some things just aren't for them and it's ok to just not bloody watch things they blatantly dislike. Stop forcing yourselves to be such miserable cunts on the internet. Be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    "I'm not enjoying this show and it's awful writing at all! Oh well, better keep watching the episodes as they come out."

    Some people really do need to learn basic things like the fact they don't have to enjoy everything, the ability to just stop watching and move on like a well adjusted person, or that maybe some things just aren't for them and it's ok to just not bloody watch things they blatantly dislike. Stop forcing yourselves to be such miserable cunts on the internet. Be better.
    I would like to point out people can also enjoy something AND point out flaws in said thing.
    I have a fan. Seems he was permabanned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    I would like to point out people can also enjoy something AND point out flaws in said thing.
    No shit. But that generally isn't what you get from certain posters here. It's 100% bitch and moan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    I would like to point out people can also enjoy something AND point out flaws in said thing.
    But when thats the only thing you do... or well this thread seems to be doing... then it doesnt seem like they are enjoying it. :P

    How many pages have these arguments been going on?
    All comes down to how much star wars have you consumed.... if you havent watched much then many things in this show in particular may look like bad writing, and if youve watch alot then you would be more forgiving since you know what has happened before.

    People cant let go... they just cant stand it if someone else isnt agreeing with them about the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orange Joe View Post
    I would like to point out people can also enjoy something AND point out flaws in said thing.
    No! If you do that you "hate Star Wars", remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otaka View Post
    People cant let go... they just cant stand it if someone else isnt agreeing with them about the show.
    That goes both ways, though.

    Half of the things people have talked about are simple enough that they could simply be let go. Things like, "Man, she shouldn't have survived that wound." warrant little more than, "Yeah, that would hurt, but I guess she lived."

    But no, people have to come back with, "Why do you hate Star Wars?!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    No! If you do that you "hate Star Wars", remember.
    Again, if you're constantly complaining about the basic genre tropes and standard narrative canon of Star Wars, you're saying you don't like Star Wars. We're not talking about hating Jar Jar Binks as a character, here, we're talking about hating how lightsabers have always worked, or that the Force exists, or that it's a space opera rather than hard, realistic sci-fi.

    Like, the stuff being complained about is Star Wars. That's what makes Star Wars an identifiable "thing". It's always been present. Luke was in so many circumstances that any reasonable person would've died in and nobody batted an eye, because he's a protagonist in a space opera and has magic powers. But suddenly it's an issue with characters in newer content?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Again, if you're constantly complaining about the basic genre tropes and standard narrative canon of Star Wars, you're saying you don't like Star Wars. We're not talking about hating Jar Jar Binks as a character, here, we're talking about hating how lightsabers have always worked, or that the Force exists, or that it's a space opera rather than hard, realistic sci-fi.

    Like, the stuff being complained about is Star Wars. That's what makes Star Wars an identifiable "thing". It's always been present. Luke was in so many circumstances that any reasonable person would've died in and nobody batted an eye, because he's a protagonist in a space opera and has magic powers. But suddenly it's an issue with characters in newer content?
    Yes yes, no true Scotsman would complain about anything. If you ever find any piece of Star Wars media less than 11/10, you're not a true fan. Impossible. Can't be.

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