If they have a boss, they don't have exclusive control.
And this is the first time you've admitted she has done a good job any time. The rest of the mean kids are gonna kick you out of the club now.
Any Star Wars product since Rebels has effectively been under her supervision. Ultimately, she's responsible for its successes and its failures.
Splitting hairs is getting boring. You know what I meant. I know what I meant, everyone knows what I meant. And yet you cannot be wrong.
Proven by ridiculous statement that since she's the boss she gets the credit for everything done under her.
While it should be obvious she can only take credit for something she was involved with directly. Just like the Disney shareholders can't take credit for everything Disney does.
The deal with Mando (the pilot live action series for Disney SW) was carte blanche to do what they wanted within the budget and canon. If it succeeds - they make more live action shows and KK takes credit for being so foreseeing. If it doesn't - Filoni/Favro fault.
It's business.
But she can take no credit for Mando's success in reality.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
Actually I think you're just a misogynist who just wants to blame the woman for anything you deem a failure in modern Star Wars. F&F do a good job? The woman had nothing to do with it. JJ Abrams does a bad job? The woman had everything to do with it. That's what I think you meant.
The reality is she's a done a good job of making money. She did a good job demanding re-shoots for Rogue One. She did a bad job demanding re-shoots for Solo (or more precisely letting L&M get 3/4 of the way done before realizing they were doing the wrong thing). Etcetcetc.
PS Kenobi is pretty good. Its got its flaws but quite frankly I'm almost shocked when anything is good. Thanks KK for giving us Kenobi.
Show overall was pretty solid. Obi-Wan and Vader were great, props to Ewan and Hayden. The Inquisitors were a bit weak but I'd chalk that up to the material they were given, which was pretty cartoony. Leia was cute and pretty solid as far as child actors go.
Some of the action was a bit silly (the Leia chase scene in the first episode for example), but not more than anything we've seen in other Star Wars stuff. The lightsaber duels were decent, solid enough choreography, but I wasn't a big fan of the handheld camera which felt a bit too shaky.
The Inquisitor subplot felt a bit half-baked in its execution and makes me wonder if it was added to pad out the runtime a bit, given that this Kenobi project started out as a film. But it had an arc that went full circle, and had an enjoyable if somewhat predictable twist with Reva getting washed by Vader.
That said, I feel like putting Reva's cards on the table a bit earlier to give her something more weighty to chew on might have worked better. When a character's motivations are left ambiguous it can be hard to for them to connect to the audience.
Obi-Wan's arc was pretty well executed. This was arguably a story that didn't need to be told, but it did a great job of bridging his appearances in Episodes III and IV, and in retrospect it dealt with some things that were very much left unresolved at the end of RotS. That last exchange between "Ben" and "Darth" feels like something we should have seen in the prequel trilogy itself. The broken mask was something that obviously needed to happen after they announced Hayden's return, even if Rebels did it first.
Anyway, pretty good. I'd probably rather rewatch this than Attack of the Clones or The Rise of Skywalker. Blows Book of Boba out of the water, not that that's a high bar. Better than most animated series episodes, maybe not as good as the best of them. Doesn't really approach the level of The Mandalorian, which I still consider to be the best Star Wars has been since maybe Empire.
If it had failed, would she be taking the blame for its failure?
Because it feels to me like you're trying to have it both ways. If she doesn't get credit for greenlighting and putting the right people on The Mandalorian, why does she take the blame for putting the wrong people on the sequel trilogies?
Whose to blame for Book-o-Boba, which was a dumpster fire? Five executives on that show, Kennedy was only one of them and I can't even find anything explaining her involvement. Seems like that was Favreau's deal, and he wrote the entire thing, with Filoni helping on one episode.
Kenobi wasn't perfect, but I'd still at least put it in the top half of Star Wars shows and movies.
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All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
I am shocked the editing was not given another pass on this show. Horrible.
Bet this is because of all the delays among VFX houses nowadays.
But some of these errors are just basic establishing cuts and two-shots. Shocking really.
Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
–The Sith Code
See this is the kind of hyperbolic bullshit I'm talking about. I do not think women are perfect beings of light. I've provided numerous examples of were I think she's fucking up. Unlike you, I'm not trying to have it both ways.
How convenient that you weren't tested on this. If F&F drop a turd with season 3, many of us will likely remember this little quote.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
She determines what directions the writers write.. she doesn't need to physically write the show or a single episode. NEver sat in meetings on creative direction or job interviews as a wirter when the employer tells you what sort of story they want you to write?
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I know right.. the dropping standards is another thing that has left me... actually sad to see. .. they use to be the industry leaders... oh how they've fallen.
It's like they don't care about cutting edge tech ,f ilm or stories, just cutting edge social poitcs and ideology - and bad ones.
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Indeed, do what Kathleen wants (or even hints) you have a job and a future.. defy - and well, not even Gina Corano could hold on to her job there.
Ofc writers are writing her visioin, adn it's not like she's made it a secret either
The bigots/mysonigists really showing their faces today, aren't they?
I wonder if Kathleen was a dude named Brian would I like Kenobi more...? Or is it only the bigots who bring sex into equation...? Maybe I don't like her name...? Though I'm not fond of Brian either... Hmm...
Although...
If Kathleen was actually Brian
Then do the Last Jedi he might
Without any guy named Ryan
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side
If she was a dude you likely wouldn’t even know her name just like people didn’t know she was working with Lucus and other great movie makers for years before Disney, you’d just latch onto second “wokest” person YouTubers could push for being the source of all your problems.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
I'm guessing you wouldn't even know who this "Brian" was. Kenobi was produced by Deborah Chow, Ewan McGregor, Kathleen Kennedy, Michelle Rejwan, Joby Harold, Thomas Hayslip, and Katterli Frauenfelder. And yet the only producer I see getting singled out is Kathleen Kennedy.
Joby Harold was the writer and showrunner and yet I haven't seen the name pop up once in this conversation.
But I guess if you think Joby did a bad job, it's Kennedy's fault for hiring him, while if he had done a good job, she wouldn't deserve any credit.
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Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power.
Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force shall set me free.
–The Sith Code
Seriously? I wouldn't know who heads Lucasfilm with Lucas' blessing?
Do you honestly think it's because she's a woman?
P.S.
Filoni and Favro created Mando show concept and sold it to KK under a condition of free reign.
Based on their success with the cartoons (especially Filoni) she had to agree.
JJ and RJ were HIRED by her to do a Sequel TRILOGY. She gave them creative freedom and it was a mistake since they had creative differences of opinion, it was a mistake to even hire more than one if you know you are doing all three, and it was a mistake to shuffle them.
And we got great Force Awakens,
then WTF Last Jedi
and then Rise of the Skywalker that could've been great but it had to deal with the Last Jedi.
Last edited by Elim Garak; 2022-06-24 at 05:06 PM.
All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side