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  1. #161
    Wrath is close to the bottom for me and some of the reasons are:

    -Raiding felt ezmode compared to TBC and it wasn't until the second half of the xpac we got some harder fights and even then it wasn't that challenging
    -The raids themselves felt uninspired and dull, Ulduar was amazing and ICC was OK but Trial was terrible, Naxx was a joke and the mini dragon raids were lackluster
    -Dungeons were the easiest they've ever been
    -Not much to do outside raids as PVE'er (Argent Tournament got stale fast and doing a super easy 5-man dungeon for daily HC was really meh)

    If you PVP'd in WotLK you probably had a great time though, as a PVE'er it was frustrating after TBC because TBC IMO had harder raids and dungeons but also more variety in them. (Aesthetics, music, design etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aigilas View Post
    great bait 10/10
    why did ur post get reported... u are 100% correct
    i mean 'no world content', wtf was AT then? a dungeon patch?
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  3. #163
    Imma let you finish but WOTLK WAS THE BEST EXPANSION OF ALL TIME!
    I'd buy that for a dollar.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by sam86 View Post
    why did ur post get reported... u are 100% correct
    i mean 'no world content', wtf was AT then? a dungeon patch?
    because it was not "constructive" enough for the mods, that was the reason they gave.

    didnt know that was a thing till now, live and learn as they say

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Bane-Thunder-God View Post
    Wrath is definitely the best expansion.

    Followed by Legion.
    They're my undisputed top 2 as well. Third best is a little harder to decide. Mists seems to be the clear choice, but I just didn't enjoy it from personal preference, the theme felt so detached from what I expected out of WoW at the time, so I didn't enjoy it in retrospect or appreciate its ingenuity and execution as much as I would today. Cataclysm was a disappointment in retrospect even though back then I enjoyed it. It's funny hot perspective changes with time. Only with Wrath and Legion it hasn't changed. I enjoyed them during their time and still think they were awesome today.
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    Wrath and then Legion. Top 2 expansions.
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  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    Not growing by a single subscriber over the course of the expansion? Yup, great success
    Your knowledge of subs, makes us all very sad. More people played WoW during Wrath than any other expansion, from a numbers stand point it wins.

    Otherwise we're talking "best" as subjective, in which case, I still chose Wrath.

    Anyone who didn't unlock BT when gating was an actual thing, simply can't understand.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Echocho View Post
    Not growing by a single subscriber over the course of the expansion? Yup, great success




    An increase is an increase. WoW hit its all time high during WotLK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormbreed View Post
    Your knowledge of subs, makes us all very sad. More people played WoW during Wrath than any other expansion, from a numbers stand point it wins.

    Otherwise we're talking "best" as subjective, in which case, I still chose Wrath.

    Anyone who didn't unlock BT when gating was an actual thing, simply can't understand.
    I don't think we can really use numbers to determine which is the best. All products like WoW have a life cycle. It hits it's peak and then declines. It's not going to be possible for WoW to hit 12 million again, no matter how good the expansion is.

    WoW is old as fuck, and any new expansion will just do the same; temporarily raise the subs, until it goes down to "lowest amount of subs to date", on and on until Blizzard pulls the plug. If Legion had happened instead of Wotlk, it would absolutely have the most subs. I'd imagine the same would have been true for WoD as well, if we'd have went to Draenor instead of Northrend.
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  10. #170
    I feel like people put too much emphasis on the number of subs as an indication of quality. The biggest reason subs were higher wasn't that the expansion was better but because WoW was still fairly new and fresh and the hype train was going forward full steam ahead. It was new, people were talking about it everywhere and people played it like crazy. Now the game is 15 years old and it's not a game that works for everyone. Some people played it intensely for a period of time in their lives but then school or work, or friends quitting had an impact. Hype dies out and it's only natural. If there's anyone out there who is actually surprised about the numbers going down After Wrath (which ended a good 6 years after the game released) then they're crazy.

  11. #171
    Wrath is definitely the best expansion. There can be no doubts about that. Opinions? Sure.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by kaelhoel View Post
    Wrath is definitely the best expansion. There can be no doubts about that. Opinions? Sure.
    Considering every poll I've ever seen puts Wrath at the top of the list, I think we can objectively say it IS the best expansion. Your personal opinion may vary, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guyviroth View Post
    As all of these graphs show, WotLK had a steady growth that didn't have any drop, or in the very least any sizeable drop. The peak continued into early Cata, where it then began to decline. You're welcome.
    Nothing they said was wrong as far as I'm concerned.

    The rate of old players quitting finally reached parity with the fresh blood coming in during the days of Wrath, and this is what marks it as the beginning of WoW's decline -- with the expansion only seeing a noticable gain in players (a modest 500k) when ICC launched. For reference, WoW's sub gain during the 1.75 years of TBC was over five times that. Even the graphs you've supplied show this to be true.

    There's a good reason for this trend too, and one that many seem to have forgotten: Wrath was a fairly average expansion, and one that was relentlessly criticised when it was current content. In my mind, it is only looked upon nostalgically because it was held up by having one of Warcraft's most popular characters as its drawcard, and because almost everything that has come since has been even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yzak View Post




    An increase is an increase. WoW hit its all time high during WotLK.
    Popularity=/=how good the game is
    unless you think fortnite is the best game ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santti View Post
    I don't think we can really use numbers to determine which is the best. All products like WoW have a life cycle. It hits it's peak and then declines. It's not going to be possible for WoW to hit 12 million again, no matter how good the expansion is.

    WoW is old as fuck, and any new expansion will just do the same; temporarily raise the subs, until it goes down to "lowest amount of subs to date", on and on until Blizzard pulls the plug. If Legion had happened instead of Wotlk, it would absolutely have the most subs. I'd imagine the same would have been true for WoD as well, if we'd have went to Draenor instead of Northrend.
    ^^^^^^^^^
    No matter what they do, even if they make a perfect expansion we will NEVER EVER have another "Subs keep growing!"
    perfect example is classic, it released and EVERYONE came, but now its slowly bleeding, the server i moderate we see guilds leaving every week, its gotten to the point weve lost alot of mods, but dont really need more. I try to moderate it, but there is so few people interacting now that there is no need.

    no matter what, an "old game" will never hit a point where there is growing subs, at this point, yes there is always a massive boost at the start, but after a few months it drops.
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  15. #175
    Quote Originally Posted by EbonBehelit- View Post
    There's a good reason for this trend too, and one that many seem to have forgotten: Wrath was a fairly average expansion, and one that was relentlessly criticised when it was current content. In my mind, it is only looked upon nostalgically because it was held up by having one of Warcraft's most popular characters as its drawcard, and because almost everything that has come since has been even worse.
    So if it's better than everything that came after it that makes it at least the 2nd best xpac in your opinion too.

    Good talk.

  16. #176
    the only good expansion is the one you can relate to, WoD was my favorite expansion.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    naxramas and onyxias lair, both literally just old raids
    Naxxramas was horribly undertuned, yes, but Onyxia's Lair was made with WoW's anniversary in mind, so I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be piss-easy, as it was just a celebration of Warcraft rather than being a 'challenging raid'.
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  18. #178
    All I see is that now that BFA is a rubber-stamped failure that regularly polls as either the worst or second worst expansion of WoW ever (never mind probably the least popular, too), the Blizzard defenders have reverted to the age-honoured method of deflection by attacking what is commonly considered (for right or wrong) the best and most popular expansion of the game. "You think you had a good time but you didn't!" boyz and girlz, so don't complain that BFA is dogshite because that's what the best expansion was too!1!1!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    Popularity=/=how good the game is
    unless you think fortnite is the best game ever?

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    ^^^^^^^^^
    No matter what they do, even if they make a perfect expansion we will NEVER EVER have another "Subs keep growing!"
    perfect example is classic, it released and EVERYONE came, but now its slowly bleeding, the server i moderate we see guilds leaving every week, its gotten to the point weve lost alot of mods, but dont really need more. I try to moderate it, but there is so few people interacting now that there is no need.

    no matter what, an "old game" will never hit a point where there is growing subs, at this point, yes there is always a massive boost at the start, but after a few months it drops.
    I must have missed the part where I said "WotLK is bestest best thing ever!!!!11!!11one1!!"

    I quoted someone that claimed WotLK received no increase in subs. I linked a graph that disproves that statement.

    You want to have a mundane and moreover; contrived, argument over the veracity of opinions knock yourself out, but I claimed no part in it, nor will I.
    At times, the frequent redundancy and stupidity of these forums, turns me into an argumentative ass.

    To most of you, I apologize in advance. I will attempt to be nicer.

    To the High Elfers out there... If it doesn't workout how you believe/want don't try to paint Blizzard as the bad guy for your own hype building.

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