Corruption... AKA Screw Healers

[Kaver]

If debuffs reduced the dps, then corruption would be literally worthless, and that would ruin the whole system.

The zone from the eye could for example silence the player instead of doing damage. This way it would punish the dps and not the healer if they kept standing in the zone.

I’m a Rogue, so personally I don’t mind the effect doing damage, but I think something like this where the corruption more directly punishes the dps would make sense. And it is still avoidable of course.

[Kehego]

The zone from the eye could for example silence the player instead of doing damage. This way it would punish the dps and not the healer if they kept standing in the zone.

I’m a Rogue, so personally I don’t mind the effect doing damage, but I think something like this where the corruption more directly punishes the dps would make sense. And it is still avoidable of course.

because if all i got was silenced, i'd just run 150 corruption all the time.

it's supposed to be something impactful to not just you, but the entire group.

[Kaver]

because if all i got was silenced, i'd just run 150 corruption all the time.

it's supposed to be something impactful to not just you, but the entire group.

It was just an example of something else than simply pure damage taken. The point is that it could be done in a meaningful way. A silence might not be the best example, but the concept could still work if it is punishing. Also remember that the size of the zone from the eye scales with corruption. So if you weren’t able to dps while being inside the zone it could be really punishing. 150 corruption would result in a giant circle.

[Kehego]

It was just an example of something else than simply pure damage taken. The point is that it could be done in a meaningful way. A silence might not be the best example, but the concept could still work if it is punishing. Also remember that the size of the zone from the eye scales with corruption. So if you weren’t able to dps while being inside the zone it could be really punishing. 150 corruption would result in a giant circle.

yeah.
and it kills you.
and your group says "take off corruption or we replace you"

[FelPlague]

The zone from the eye could for example silence the player instead of doing damage. This way it would punish the dps and not the healer if they kept standing in the zone.

I’m a Rogue, so personally I don’t mind the effect doing damage, but I think something like this where the corruption more directly punishes the dps would make sense. And it is still avoidable of course.

Silence does not remove procs, it does not stop melee dps from doing massive damage, or class based classes doing tons.

you could run like 200 corruption, do insane dps, the eye appears aaaand... nothing, cause your procs still proc, and your dots still tick, and your pet still hits.

[Kaver]

yeah.
and it kills you.
and your group says "take off corruption or we replace you"

And that’s also fine. I was just brainstorming an example of an alternative. Silence was a bad example, I know that now.

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Silence does not remove procs, it does not stop melee dps from doing massive damage, or class based classes doing tons.

you could run like 200 corruption, do insane dps, the eye appears aaaand... nothing, cause your procs still proc, and your dots still tick, and your pet still hits.

It was just an example. Silence was a bad example. Don’t get caught up on the specific solution. The point is that they could make some effects which would hurt the damage output of the dps if they did not avoid the negative impact. But again it’s just an idea.

[FelPlague]

And that’s also fine. I was just brainstorming an example of an alternative. Silence was a bad example, I know that now.

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It was just an example. Silence was a bad example. Don’t get caught up on the specific solution. The point is that they could make some effects which would hurt the damage output of the dps if they did not avoid the negative impact. But again it’s just an idea.

Like?
Cause idk if you know, but corruoption also is for tanks and healers.
So if it just reduced damage, well then the tank dont care, cause he has so much corruption he has like 100% versatility.
if it reduces damage and healing, well dont care, such high survivability its fine.
so on so forth, just having it deal damage is the best way to do it.

[Kaver]

Like?
Cause idk if you know, but corruoption also is for tanks and healers.
So if it just reduced damage, well then the tank dont care, cause he has so much corruption he has like 100% versatility.
if it reduces damage and healing, well dont care, such high survivability its fine.
so on so forth, just having it deal damage is the best way to do it.

Am I not allowed to air an idea as a concept without giving a bulletproof solution of how it is specially going to work in every situation?

[FelPlague]

Am I not allowed to air an idea as a concept without giving a bulletproof solution of how it is specially going to work in every situation?

Yes, but im saying its not that easy, and having it deal damage is the most universal way to have it effect all roles and players.

[Atraxxa]

Is it just me or does the entire burden of corruption just shift to the healer in group content, especially pug content? In your average LFD, DPS just want that insane spike damage and will stand eye zones, let Things hit them, etc.

Nope that's just you, if they are wearing too much corruption they are basically inting on purpose. Its their job to know how much they can handle safely, let them die otherwise an call it a day.

[FelPlague]

Nope that's just you, if they are wearing too much corruption they are basically inting on purpose. Its their job to know how much they can handle safely, let them die otherwise an call it a day.

yeah our raid does not allow people to be above 40 unless they have a way to deal with the vision. like hunter feign death.

[Kaver]

Yes, but im saying its not that easy, and having it deal damage is the most universal way to have it effect all roles and players.

And I agree. But I think it’s still interesting to have an informal talk about alternative solutions. Being shot down right away for just stating a concept is very depressing.

[Razorice]

Have the eye zone and hits from the thing lower outgoing damage by 15%. Then they stop standing in the circle and avoid the thing.

Actually a great idea.

[DazManianDevil]

Only sometimes. But I also heal without complaining about extra damage, and tank without a stupid complex of “you pull, you tank”.

This needs to be spoken from atop a very tall building. I thought this was a myth until I helped a friend in a baby +4 key. The tank, on 3 separate occasions in one run had the audacity to say "You pull it, you tank it"
Bare in mind I was playing a 472 BM Hunter, so it's not like we were in danger; however this was the calibre of tank who as a brewmaster dies to bosses in Normal Nyalotha /shrug

From all the logs I've read, the sweet spot for Tank corruption is 39 or less. For dps who can handle it, 59 or less.
I've personally raided as high as 61, but it was only Heroic so it doesn't mean much.
Never had a single healer complain about corruption, until Mythic Hivemind when someone died to a double tap of Thing from Beyond during darters. Happened once in 12 pulls of progression.

[munkeyinorbit]

Look everyone, we found the super awesome cool guy who wants to derail.

The entire point is that people stand in things already, so adding a mechanic in low level activities which is exponentially worse increases strain on healers, which are already underrepresented because of toxic people like yourself.
This isn't a hard concept to understand.

And what is your point? Healers have to heal? If you can't handle low mythic+ why are you wasting peoples time? Bads will be bad and they will take unavoidable damage. That is no different to any other time whether they have corruption or not. Getting angry about it will not change it.

[huth]

And I agree. But I think it’s still interesting to have an informal talk about alternative solutions. Being shot down right away for just stating a concept is very depressing.

I'd take it more as a hint that you're underestimating the scope of the problem if your concept is so easy to shoot down.

[Marrilaife]

The rule of thumb is that the list of things HoF works on is shorter than the list of things it doesn't work on but logically should.

Dunno I was removing corruption slow with HOF both before and after the "healers can't dispel it" hotfix.

[Relapses]

Silence does not remove procs, it does not stop melee dps from doing massive damage, or class based classes doing tons.

you could run like 200 corruption, do insane dps, the eye appears aaaand... nothing, cause your procs still proc, and your dots still tick, and your pet still hits.

I practiced 200 Corruption on a target dummy in Orgrimmar and the Eye was larger than the target dummy platform. I died horribly and a nearby Mage laughed at my tragedy.

[Kaver]

I'd take it more as a hint that you're underestimating the scope of the problem if your concept is so easy to shoot down.

The concept wasn’t shot down. It could still work very well.

I’m not underestimating anything. I know it’s not easy to implement and that’s why I didn’t want to go into specifics. I never said it was easy to implement but people somehow just assume that and the put their words into my mouth. I made the mistake of mentioning a “Silence effect” as an example which was a huge mistake because some people cannot look past that. I know now not to mention any specific examples unless I’m 100% that they will work. Otherwise people will never let it go. I will not do that again.

But we should still be allowed to have a completely casual talk about concepts as a holistic idea without being prosecuted. A concept doesn’t have to be outlined to the smallest detail.

[Tident]

The concept wasn’t shot down. It could still work very well.

I’m not underestimating anything. I know it’s not easy to implement and that’s why I didn’t want to go into specifics. I never said it was easy to implement but people somehow just assume that and the put their words into my mouth. I made the mistake of mentioning a “Silence effect” as an example which was a huge mistake because some people cannot look past that. I know now not to mention any specific examples unless I’m 100% that they will work. Otherwise people will never let it go. I will not do that again.

But we should still be allowed to have a completely casual talk about concepts as a holistic idea without being prosecuted. A concept doesn’t have to be outlined to the smallest detail.

It's just your concept isn't productive. Every once and a while everyone has a truly terrible idea. My advice is to not take it personally.

Right now people are talking specifics rather then what could of been.