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  1. #21
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    Honestly, just a restoration of MoP / WoD sub. The BFA iteration is really clunky (in my opinion).

  2. #22
    wow, I actually just got an infraction for this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Proper Ninja View Post
    your wishes for subtlety rogues in shadow lands.
    Ez. Get rid of sub and replace it with a tank spec.

    Infracted.
    Last edited by Coldkil; Yesterday at 02:16 AM.
    There was a question as the topic of the thread. I answered it with my personal opinion. There was even a follow up from me when somebody asked me about it. I was polite and respectful. And I answered the question concisely and with exactly what my wishes are for sub.

    And yea, I'm not supposed to comment on infractions - but then, how about you (Coldkil) figure out when you should actually be infracting.

    PS - Knock yourself out and go ahead and infract again, or may as well ban me at this point since the first infraction was so off point.
    Cheers

  3. #23
    Total restoration of WoD sub rogue, especially during HFC. Felt perfect, way, way better than this nonsense we had in legion or what we have now.

  4. #24
    I wish for Mop/Wod version of sub, but don't see it with devs wasting resources for 2 melee survival revamps.
    Realistic wish is to hope that sub spec will not get any attention of the devs past tuning and in process can actually be played, not butchered for entire expansion due to blizzard incopetence (zul mythic).

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by keyone01 View Post
    I wish for Mop/Wod version of sub, but don't see it with devs wasting resources for 2 melee survival revamps.
    Realistic wish is to hope that sub spec will not get any attention of the devs past tuning and in process can actually be played, not butchered for entire expansion due to blizzard incopetence (zul mythic).
    agreed. its most likely getting fixed.
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by lyphe View Post
    I've played a rogue for 15 years, in pvp and pve ( the limited times it's been viable in pve ). Rogues don't need 3 dps specs, but a tank or other unique spec would be welcome. Just because some of us aren't into sub doesn't mean we haven't played it or can't play it. I'd just rather have a tank spec. Done.
    The funniest part is the part where you think the opinions of players who love Subtlety don't matter and instead it should become a tank spec to satisfy those who don't even play the spec, lmao. That's just hilarious.
    Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    The funniest part is the part where you think the opinions of players who love Subtlety don't matter and instead it should become a tank spec to satisfy those who don't even play the spec, lmao. That's just hilarious.
    The funniest thing is where you think your opinion should be considered with higher priority than others because of made up reasons. That's just hilarious.

    As long as 10 people whould love to see broken spec replaced by support role while 2 would like to see it fixed, I as a dev would pick the first option. And vice versa (numbers are made up)

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    I want Sub rogue to actually be its class fantasy. A rogue infused with shadow power. As it currently stands, Sub only does shadow damage with Shadow blades active. I'd like to see backstab removed and replaced with Gloomblade and have it generate 2 combo points. Shadowstrike do shadow damage and generate 3 combo points. Nightblade be a shadow dot and Eviscerate replaced with Secret Technique...and shadow damage.
    This. /10char

  9. #29
    They should just revert back to WoD sub rogue that shit was amazing

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Maslenka View Post
    The funniest thing is where you think your opinion should be considered with higher priority than others because of made up reasons. That's just hilarious.

    As long as 10 people whould love to see broken spec replaced by support role while 2 would like to see it fixed, I as a dev would pick the first option. And vice versa (numbers are made up)
    Ah yes. We should design the Subtlety Rogue for the players who DON'T play it. That's brilliant.

    It's like opening up a steakhouse catered to the taste of vegetarians, lol.
    Subtlety Rogue was an amazing, incredible, unique, and fun spec prior to Legion and BfA

  11. #31
    man i sure wish some one important commented on what they think should be done with subtlety. the community wants to roll back to what was offered in wod.
    “Choose a job you love and you'll never have to work a day in your life” “Logic will get you from A to Z; Imagination will get you everywhere.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoegazing View Post
    The funniest part is the part where you think the opinions of players who love Subtlety don't matter and instead it should become a tank spec to satisfy those who don't even play the spec, lmao. That's just hilarious.
    Funny how people read 'what they want to read'.

    1 - I never discounted any sub players opinion. Feel free to quote what you are referring to.
    2 - The thread is asking for our personal opinion which I provided.

    Perhaps you should avoid threads which ask for people's 'wishes' or opinions, since you appear to take the responses rather personally.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Maslenka View Post
    As long as 10 people whould love to see broken spec replaced by support role while 2 would like to see it fixed, I as a dev would pick the first option. And vice versa (numbers are made up)
    Yeah, that's what happened to survival and look how great it turned out!
    Plot twist: from those 10 people only 0.1 actually play it and you pissed off 2 people, great move right here.
    Last edited by keyone01; Today at 12:26 AM.

  14. #34
    revert back to wrath/cata/mop design

  15. #35
    I have two options for what i wish they would turn Sub into:
    A) An actual Ninja, wielding a one-handed-Katana with both hands. That - without any other changes - would make the spec so incredibly cool that people would play it, even if it was the most shit-sucking, underperforming dumpster-fire of a spec ever.

    B) Remove it and make Shadow-Dance a Talent option for Assassination. Sub has NOTHING left except Shadow Dance and Assassination would actually be kind of cool with a short-CD to quicken up its horribly slow gameplay.

    I don't think any of that will happen, though. What i do actually EXPECT to happen is:
    - They will make Sub the OP goto-spec in 9.0
    - Sub will overperform in the first raid/Dungeons/solo-BS-content
    - Sub will get nerfed before 9.1 is even life
    - Sub will remain shit for the rest of Shadowlands

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    I want Sub rogue to actually be its class fantasy. A rogue infused with shadow power. As it currently stands, Sub only does shadow damage with Shadow blades active. I'd like to see backstab removed and replaced with Gloomblade and have it generate 2 combo points. Shadowstrike do shadow damage and generate 3 combo points. Nightblade be a shadow dot and Eviscerate replaced with Secret Technique...and shadow damage.
    Yeah, me too...I'd kinda like to see subtlety to akin to something more like Rift's Nightblade soul, change the fire damage stuff with nature damage stuff which is more in line with WoW's Rogue and I think it could make a interesting spec.
    Last edited by Kithelle; Today at 12:43 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandragon View Post
    I want Sub rogue to actually be its class fantasy. A rogue infused with shadow power. As it currently stands, Sub only does shadow damage with Shadow blades active. I'd like to see backstab removed and replaced with Gloomblade and have it generate 2 combo points. Shadowstrike do shadow damage and generate 3 combo points. Nightblade be a shadow dot and Eviscerate replaced with Secret Technique...and shadow damage.

    Or, if Blizzard actually wanted some QoL changes. Make Sub a ranged spec, which they should have done when Survival became melee. Generator is Shuriken throw, finishers can still be Nightblade and Deadly Throw. Then turn Shadow Dance into an actual "dance". My idea would be the Sub rogue spawns shadow clones of himself that mimic his attacks. When shadow dance gets used the rogue jumps from clone to clone, and every time he jumps that clone then shadow strikes his target and the rogue gains a stacking damage buff.

    This could be set up with a restriction like, every clone the rogue has reduces his max hp by 10-15% or something. That way there can be a delicate "dance" between the number of clones you have up and how much damage you can put out for each shadow dance. Too many clones and the boss could one shot you, not enough and you dont do a whole lot of damage during the dance.
    This ^^ is actually a really cool idea. Simple but new, interesting mechanic that can be played safely for novices, or can require some tactical decision-making for min-maxers. I would love this.

    Shuriken throw for the generator though? I feel that fantasy-wise it's kinda weak. Maybe some kind of shadow lance or dagger thing? Otherwise I would be very happy to see these changes.

    Better yet would be a first row talent to make Sub ranged if players wanted. Would fit with the player agency Blizz is promoting for SL.
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  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by lyphe View Post
    Funny how people read 'what they want to read'.

    1 - I never discounted any sub players opinion. Feel free to quote what you are referring to.
    2 - The thread is asking for our personal opinion which I provided.

    Perhaps you should avoid threads which ask for people's 'wishes' or opinions, since you appear to take the responses rather personally.
    You’re only allowed to give your opinion if it fits Shoegazing’s agenda. Didn’t you know that?
    Last edited by Kaver; Today at 02:13 PM.

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