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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    i at least expected the ingame cinematic be like the sthraholme thing, that they still advertise as being ingame
    And today they said on a blue post the cinematics being crappier was "intended" to replicate and to not ruin the nostalgia.
    Pahahah
    Can you believe that? "Intended" ? LooL

  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    And today they said on a blue post the cinematics being crappier was "intended" to replicate and to not ruin the nostalgia.
    Pahahah
    Can you believe that? "Intended" ? LooL
    Ah hey come on, they just didnt want to make it TOO good so it didnt distract from the original, which is bugged out now thanks to this game.

    And it makes perfect sense. Unless you ask yourself, wait why bother making a remaster, sorry I mean reforge at all then?
    Comes a time when we all gotta die...even kings.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Volatilis View Post
    Ah hey come on, they just didnt want to make it TOO good so it didnt distract from the original, which is bugged out now thanks to this game.

    And it makes perfect sense. Unless you ask yourself, wait why bother making a remaster, sorry I mean reforge at all then?
    It just makes no sense and ruins the credibility of the entire post.
    I think everyone agrees on planet earth...the cinematic example showcased on the official site is...awesome...incredible...cool...amazing

    Why would someone want the game to be amazing? Not us Blizzard entertainment, because it would ruin the nostalgia.
    If the cinematic wasnt "cool"...then why was everyone on the internet excited about it? Why was it shown to us as a preview?

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Mukind View Post
    Game reviews are partially about context....

    You re release a game with a price tag that was already running fine on the platform....And you make it worse.

    Other than ports...which are by definition not the same platform I can't recall anything like this. It's obvious why it happens in ports why would they do this? I can't imagine they made a lot of money off of it relative to the terrible press of having to rework their custom game system.
    No proper game reviews are of objectivity. If the game play is an 8 out of 10 (not my view of WC3 just putting it out there.) but you were expecting a 10 or it had some issues not involving the actual part of the game that matters (ie controlling the units. Ladders/cinematics and shit are not gameplay) then it is still an 8/10. Not "It wasn't everything i wanted reeee 0/10"

    People need to stop being memers and emotional about these things and think logically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Warcraft, Starcraft, Overwatch, and Diablo were all his babies he basically created. Of course he cares about them even though he isn't directly involved anymore. He is still a player of those games although casually.
    If he thought Blizzard were being controlled by Activision (which he would know) or intentionally fucking things up he'd be screaming from the rooftop, not staying quiet. All it needs is him, Morhaime or hell any of those who were fired in the past few years to come out, named and say "Yes everything is shit because Kotik and co." and boom there's the evidence. Until now all we have is youtubers "Dude trust us." and that's about it.

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    I mean, don't preorder a game with little to no info and only "this is what we plan to do"s?

    You literally would lose out nothing having waited for it.
    They had a gameplay demo at blizzcon dude. I saw it live. I thought it looked great and was the one saving grace of blizzcon 2018. I pre-ordered it to show them that warcraft 3 reforged was a game I wanted to support and not Diablo Immortal. And then I had to refund it the day after release because I didnt know all the shit with this game until it released.

  6. #286
    More like.

    They made better two decades ago 2/10 do not buy.

    Time to play was clearly before this launch lol

  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    They had a gameplay demo at blizzcon dude. I saw it live. I thought it looked great and was the one saving grace of blizzcon 2018. I pre-ordered it to show them that warcraft 3 reforged was a game I wanted to support and not Diablo Immortal. And then I had to refund it the day after release because I didnt know all the shit with this game until it released.
    So you paid attention to it in blizzcon 2018 and not 2019? If you did you would have known it was changed and could have refunded it then instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sellest View Post
    I don't think this rating is accurate or fair but I do understand where is this hate and anger coming from. Question is if it changes something. I am afraid Blizzard is beyond redemption...
    When you strip away the work done in 2002 and look at the remaster for what it has done, I think it doesn't deserve much better. Not only did it not deliver what was promised, but it stripped away old features, too, and simply made the online experience significantly worse, along with the performance of the game/stability.
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  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    So you paid attention to it in blizzcon 2018 and not 2019? If you did you would have known it was changed and could have refunded it then instead
    Yeh I went to blizzcon 2018 in person. With Bfa sucking (not playing) on top of the blitzchung and still being upset with wasting a day off from work and 200 dollars to get to see diablo immortal at last blizzcon I didnt watch the 2019 one. I just saw the mmochamp posts.

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Yeh I went to blizzcon 2018 in person. With Bfa sucking on top of the blitzchung and still being upset with immortal at last blizzcon I didnt watch the 2019 one. I just saw the mmochamp post.
    Well, don't know what to say about that honestly, I wasn't even paying attention to reforged and still heard they were changing the game. They probably could have communicated better, but I guess they figured people would spread the info

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    1. How could anyone the quarter size of Blizzard screw up so bad?

    2. Why Metacritic held to such a high standard but still extremely vulnerable to this reactionary review bombing. I barely trust 'Amazon verified purchases', how can I trust user reviews on Metacritic?


    Remakes, remaster, releases, HD versions, etc have been a thing for 2 or 3 console generations now. How do you still mess them up? Low effort is one thing. This..this took effort.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    1. How could anyone the quarter size of Blizzard screw up so bad?

    2. Why Metacritic held to such a high standard but still extremely vulnerable to this reactionary review bombing. I barely trust 'Amazon verified purchases', how can I trust user reviews on Metacritic?


    Remakes, remaster, releases, HD versions, etc have been a thing for 2 or 3 console generations now. How do you still mess them up? Low effort is one thing. This..this took effort.
    Yep. It took a lot of effort to screw it up this badly.

  13. #293
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    Outsourcing to a questionable dev, which was pretty cheap apparently, as well as expediting release schedules for stockholders, resulting in an unfinished product entering the market is a recipe for failure. Factoring in it's coming from a developer that used to create magic back in the day, a game of a highly, HIGHLY beloved franchise, results in company confidence tanking. Nevermind all the shady business decisions regarding changing the TOS to prevent a Dota situation, overwriting the old base game, removing old features, banning people asking for a refund, etc etc.

    They basically managed to do everything wrong, and fans are right to be pissed.

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    My opinion of Blizzard was already pretty low to begin with, though somehow they managed to defy my expectations once again. In a way, I'm pleased - I like the blunt reminder that they are no longer the company that I once loved. Warcraft 3 was the game that got me playing WoW in the first place and kept me invested right up until Cataclysm. So I was actually tempted to look into Warcraft 3 Reforged. I held off on a pre-order and I'm glad that I did - because by all accounts it's a complete and utter mess.

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by hellhamster View Post
    Outsourcing to a questionable dev, which was pretty cheap apparently, as well as expediting release schedules for stockholders, resulting in an unfinished product entering the market is a recipe for failure. Factoring in it's coming from a developer that used to create magic back in the day, a game of a highly, HIGHLY beloved franchise, results in company confidence tanking. Nevermind all the shady business decisions regarding changing the TOS to prevent a Dota situation, overwriting the old base game, removing old features, banning people asking for a refund, etc etc.

    They basically managed to do everything wrong, and fans are right to be pissed.
    Pretty sure they outsourced to the same dev that worked on sc remaster

  16. #296
    If people in earnest claim WC3: Reforged to be the worst game of all time, then they haven't played all that many games.

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadoowpunk View Post
    And today they said on a blue post the cinematics being crappier was "intended" to replicate and to not ruin the nostalgia.
    Pahahah
    Can you believe that? "Intended" ? LooL
    Can you imagine the users backlash if they actually took the time to animate the cutscenes like they have shown in 2018? Instead of the traditional just having characters stand there with the floating portraits talking?

    Intended ... intended not to spend an extra second of work on it, outside of adding the new models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by october breeze View Post
    You are outright advocating lying here!
    Not at all, understand that everything pre-release is up for debate. Just because a dev shows off a feature a year before the release, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to be in the game. This is life and this is the industry, whether you like it or not. Now the whole them advertising the changed cinematic on the website is a different thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Pretty sure they outsourced to the same dev that worked on sc remaster
    But wasn't SC remaster basically just upgrading sprites to higher resolutions?

  20. #300
    Let me start off by saying I've been an eternal fan of the game. I've literally spent months playing this game, and it has been a constant interest for me over multiple years, which is more than I can say of most of the games I own. I have the 1500 random wins portrait in RoC unlocked, which given my measly ~49% winrate, puts me at >3000 random race games alone, and I have quite a few with races chosen as well. So I'd say around 4500-5000 ladder games, and that is only ladder games. I can't count the amount of time spent in custom games. Given most of the games will have lasted 20-40 minutes, well, you can do the math. I didn't quite play tft as much, but I liked that as well, played the whole campaign, played a few tournaments, played a little ladder...well,whatever,you get the idea. I did at one point hold the rank 1 of the roc ffa ladder(not that impressive, given that tft already had been released at that point, but still quite a few people were playing roc at that point), and it was one of my personal greatest gaming achievements.

    Early last year(I think it was, correct me if I'm wrong), they removed the possibility to play roc online. No announcement, no compensation, 1500-win-portrait byebye. Well, I was mad, but I thought oh well, very few people were still playing that anyway. So, I got into tft, played the beta as well afterwards, read up on strategies, to prepare for the reforged ffa ladder.

    I was psyched for reforged, figuring the beta was mainly for technical issues, and the online features would just be taken from tft/roc. I read before, that you can link your old account, and I had a little hope, my 1500 win portrait might find its way into the new game, even though that's on tft and not on roc, but who knows.
    I logged in, didn't find anything ladder related, and figured I might have to do a versus - ffa game to get it to show. I won my first, still hyped, and realized nothing showed, no profile, no ladder, nothing. Asked in chat, and got confirmed. I tried linking my old account to reforged later that day. It told me the account information was invalid. Now I didn't have logged into roc for some time(obviously cause that wasn't even possible, it stated use tft for online play), but I had logged in into tft quite a few times in the last 3 months. On none of these logins, was I shown the message, that my account would get deleted if not in use for 90days. They already fucked my D2 account with that policy change(it used to be your account and characters would only get deleted, if someone else chose the same name), without announcing it, but it can't be the cause here, because I actually DID login in the last 3 months, so well, guess something bugged there too.


    So, given all that, here's my 2 cents:

    To be fair if the game was just called Warcraft, and didn't have any predecessors, and wasn't a reforged version of an existing game and the universe it's settled in would be unknown it might get around a 5/10.

    But that viewpoint doesn't really work in this case.
    As was mentioned countless times in this thread, it's a "reforged" version of an existing game, which was easily 9-10/10. Metacritic lists RoC at 9.2 which is well deserved in my opinion.
    While the reforged version did beautify graphics, it took away core features of the game, and even made it impossible to play any of the two original games in the state they were playable up to a few months/weeks ago.
    Releasing a new game with a few bugs, that get polished in a few patches in the first days isn't anything unusual and I'd consider it usual practice and nothing to be mad about. Releasing a reforged game, that takes away competitive gaming, clans,profiles and such on top of the bugs deserves bad press and mad reactions.

    Imagine they'd release a reforged Heroes of the Storm. Only it'd cost you 30€/$, you could no longer play the old hots, and the only possible way of playing would be vs the AI. People would rage, blizzard would earn a shitstorm, and rightfully so.

    With that being said, obviously rating it as the worst game of all times, is an overreaction. Anything between 2 and 4/10 would be plausible I guess. However, it's an overreaction that is understandable. It would have been really easy to please people, with the ressources Blizzard has at hand. Keeping the CORE features roc and tft had would have been easy. Time should have been invested on improving matchmaking maybe, but the ladder/profile/clan features were all widely loved imho. They also could have brought an option to choose between the old cutscenes and campaign story lines, and introducing new ones, given that with cgi so much would have been possible(saurfang cinematics come to mind). With the finances they have at hand, the old voice actors(if possible) could have been hired, and some truly amazing trailers, cut scenes, etc. could have been made.
    Blizzard is being like "we were just trying to react to the criticism of our fans", but they aren't, the outrage during the beta was huge, and almost nothing changed.
    So what's being rated as 0.5/10 isn't really the game, it's the slap in the face of their fans.

    Imagine you'd be a huge Stones fan. Imagine some 15 years ago, you followed them for a few concerts on one of their tours and it was the best music you ever heard. There'd be a concert announced in your town, you'd be really hyped and preorder it asap. The concert begins, and you get 5 songs of playback Stones music, while the band is sitting in wheelchairs, before they leave. Now some people might argue, that rating The Rolling Stones on what-ever-page-there-is-for-music-critics.com 0/10 for their music is childish rage, cause after all the music you heard was great, but for you, after their concert, after the hype you had I'd agree. Yeah I know, best analogy ever.

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