Anybody else honestly believe WoD was better?

[Arakkar]

In my opinion WoD suffered 2 major problems:
- Unfinished launch
- Content draught

If WoD had shipped in the 6.1 state, with 6.2 lasting only 6 months before a 6.3 Farahlon came along, then it would've been a good expansion.

Some comparisons:
- Lore: Despite the time-traveling plot holes in WoD, those storylines were far better than those in BFA; it was actually a pleasure completing each zone for the first time.
- Features: WoD also brought some innovative systems and features at the time (Garrisons, new character models, new quest system), while BFA feels like a recycled Legion. Allied races are a plus for BFA, but they feel very buggy when compared to core races (less customization options, less animations, less polish).
- Alts: WoD was slightly more alt-friendly than BFA; while the leveling process was more strict, WoD did not force you into so much grind at max level before having a viable character for running your preferred content.

BFA had some good ideas, but the delivery was off and ultimately overshadowed by its cons.

[Koniwej]

Oh please, I actually agree with you here. Except the gold part. People don't level alts now because the content is bad compared to Legion. Why play alts if the content sucks.

People remembers 7.3.5. But I am old school myself, first 6 months/year of Legion was the best part. Finally something to play for outside raids and dungeons.

people really just leveled alts in legion to make wod garrison gold tbh
there are people here boasting of 20+ toons leveled. To do what? afk garrison/class hall.

Also big lol if you claim to enjoy "MuH OlD sChoOl" but hate gearing toons. Took literal months for chars to get geared in vanilla.

[Kaver]

None forces you to play something you dislike. That is entirely your own choice, no need to infect others with your own negative opinions

This what people like you don't understand. The people who "bitch" about BFA do not dislike WoW. They dislike ASPECTS of WoW and they would like to see Blizzard improve these ASPECTS. However you don't understand this because your mind works in extremes. It's either black or white. No grey zones.

But of course there are grey zones. Example: I really really dislike Warfronts, Island Expeditions and Azerite gear. However, I love Raiding, M+ and Horrific Visions. So excuse me, but I'm going to "bitch" about the things I don't like even though I'm not going to quit the game because as a WHOLE I still love WoW. The features that BFA added to the game are (according to many players including me) really really poorly designed, so it's important that we let Blizzard know this.

It's not "either or..". We are allowed to love a game as a whole even though we don't love every single ASPECT about that game. And we are allowed to voice our opinions about the ASPECTS that we don't like. This is how you improve things. You figure what is bad and then you improve it. However, Blizzard will not know what parts of the game is bad if people don't give them feedback.

Stop being so small-minded.

[czarek]

Raid were cool and tbh WOD was more alt familiar. I hate to be pushed do same things again like unlocking heart of azeroth quest line etc. Its hard to say i think both have prons and cons now im really enjoying BfA because of new stuff.

[Doffen]

people really just leveled alts in legion to make wod garrison gold tbh
there are people here boasting of 20+ toons leveled. To do what? afk garrison/class hall.

Also big lol if you claim to enjoy "MuH OlD sChoOl" but hate gearing toons. Took literal months for chars to get geared in vanilla.

People leveled their alts to do the content Legion provided. Nice claim though. But I don't think that is the best you can do. That people got alts to get gold though I don't doubt. I did too do go the extra mile to get more gold. But it wasn't why the alts were made in the first place. It was just fun in Legion.

And where did I say I hate gearing toons? It's like missing the target competely. TBC had the best gearing system we have had ever. Vanilla gearing sucked, like vanilla did overall. TBC improved(made it perfect) it but still made you do the effort. BfA sucks too in that regard because there is too much gear all over the place. And when I mean old school, I mean character progression. In Legion we got the Artifact Weapon that you could power up outside of raids if you wanted. Character progression more or less stopped in Cata. Somewhat in WotLK too. Want top tier gear? Just buy it while the content is current. Welfare gear.

PoInTs FoR tHe EfFoRt.

[pinelakias]

Kinda, yeah. I mean, WoD was a 3.4 or 4 out of 10, this expansion is 3/10. Meaning WoD barely won over this...

[Koniwej]

People leveled their alts to do the content Legion provided. Nice claim though. But I don't think that is the best you can do. That people got alts to get gold though I don't doubt. I did too do go the extra mile to get more gold. But it wasn't why the alts were made in the first place. It was just fun in Legion.

And where did I say I hate gearing toons? It's like missing the target competely. TBC had the best gearing system we have had ever. Vanilla gearing sucked, like vanilla did overall. BfA sucks too in that regard because there is too much gear all over the place. And when I mean old school, I mean character progression. In Legion we got the Artifact Weapon that you could power up outside of raids if you wanted. Character progression more or less stopped in Cata. Somewhat in WotLK too. Want top tier gear? Just buy it while the content is current. Welfare gear.

PoInTs FoR tHe EfFoRt.

Best gearing?

You mean afking kara for 2 years to get badge gear to gear up to get badge gear faster? BIG FUCKIN LOL.
Or do you mean 4 drops for 25 people in a raid? Cus that was also a big fuckin lol.

It's ok badge baby. I understand.

[pinelakias]

This what people like you don't understand. The people who "bitch" about BFA do not dislike WoW. They dislike ASPECTS of WoW and they would like to see Blizzard improve these ASPECTS. However you don't understand this because your mind works in extremes. It's either black or white. No grey zones.

But of course there are grey zones. Example: I really really dislike Warfronts, Island Expeditions and Azerite gear. However, I love Raiding, M+ and Horrific Visions. So excuse me, but I'm going to "bitch" about the things I don't like even though I'm not going to quit the game because as a WHOLE I still love WoW. The features that BFA added to the game are (according to many players including me) really really poorly designed, so it's important that we let Blizzard know this.

It's not "either or..". We are allowed to love a game as a whole even though we don't love every single ASPECT about that game. And we are allowed to voice our opinions about the ASPECTS that we don't like. This is how you improve things. You figure what is bad and then you improve it. However, Blizzard will not know what parts of the game is bad if people don't give them feedback.

Stop being so small-minded.

Where is the like button?!

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Best gearing?

You mean afking kara for 2 years to get badge gear to gear up to get badge gear faster? BIG FUCKIN LOL.
Or do you mean 4 drops for 25 people in a raid? Cus that was also a big fuckin lol.

It's ok badge baby. I understand.

Its a lot better than a slot machine. Pull the lever. Did you get the item you need? Did it titanforge? Did it get a socket? Did it get an extra stat? Then you can keep it...
The horrific gear is even worse. Did it get horrific? Did it get the correct horrific? Did it get the correct rank? Did it get socket? Did it get extra stat? Then fuck it, you already have more horrific than you can handle. Id rather play with badges of honor and valor again rather than this total bullshit. If I wanted to gamble, Id go to a casino... At least there I only lose my money, not my time.

[Doffen]

Best gearing?

You mean afking kara for 2 years to get badge gear to gear up to get badge gear faster? BIG FUCKIN LOL.
Or do you mean 4 drops for 25 people in a raid? Cus that was also a big fuckin lol.

It's ok badge baby. I understand.

That was catch up gear. If you went behind you could farm to catch up, but it was always one tier behind. TK/SSC? Kara/tier4 equal. BT? Zul Aman/t5 equal, and so on. But hey details right.

No, gear progression in TBC was heroic dungeons then raid. And 4 items for 25 people was a huge upgrade from 2 for 40 people lol. If you were unlucky you could get some badges to fill the holes, but it was always a tier behind. WotLK and forward changed this. So if you are to name someone badge baby then you should try someone else to move goalposts with.

[Koniwej]

That was catch up gear. If you went behind you could farm to catch up, but it was always one tier behind. TK/SSC? Kara/tier4 equal. BT? Zul Aman/t5 equal, and so on. But hey details right.

No, gear progression in TBC was heroic dungeons then raid. And 4 items for 25 people was a huge upgrade from 2 for 40 people lol. If you were unlucky you could get some badges to fill the holes, but it was always a tier behind. WotLK and forward changed this. So if you are to name someone badge baby then you should try someone else to move goalposts with.

Ah, so you're gonna pretend that 1) tbc had abysmal raid participation rates and 2) ioqd/kara runs existed.

I honestly wish that the guild tracking sites were still online because, statistically, if you played during tbc, you wouldve been in a hyjal raid/ioqd badge gear mashup. Ioqd gear was >t6 at the point it was introduced (horrible stats/no stam)

I know the progression model, and even though my guild killed KJ, a lot of people in my raid had ioqd badge gear as their off pieces (for instance, the leather pants with absurd +hit; the xbow) so assuming you were "average" and didn't kill mu'ru before the wotlk prepatch, your raid would be in badge gear.

[Doffen]

Ah, so you're gonna pretend that 1) tbc had abysmal raid participation rates and 2) ioqd/kara runs existed.

LOL, I am one who would say TBC had one of the biggest raid participation of all time in WoW. Raiding in TBC was awesome!

You assume too much. And reading what you wrote I don't believe that you did Sunwell at all. Because I did, and the badge-gear rate was low. And I was the one with the crossbow

[Syegfryed]

WoD was an absolute disaster, and I honestly would be hard pressed to try to find anything that was better about WoD over BfA.

Never forget the selfie/twitter integration patch

wod pvp all together was far far better than bfa

[Snackpack]

Imo, WoD was definitely the most boring overall, with little to do besides garrison farming and raid logging. Only thing I miss from WoD is how alt friendly it was. I think I had every class at max level in WoD and Legion that I did the mage tower on and class quests/mounts. Now I can't bring myself to actually play more than one in BfA with the current systems.

[bas]

Yeah I had much more fun levelling in WoD than legion and BFA, that alone makes WoD better than BFA and even legion. Endgame is crap anyway for any recent expansion.

The zones were very beautiful and so it was nice visiting outland again.

[Eurhetemec]

And I'd be posed to disagree. Coming out of 14 months in Siege of Orgrimmar, moving into the exact same aesthetic again for several months more is not visually appealing.

Fair enough - btw if you're interested, the English word you're looking for is "inclined", not posed. Posed doesn't apply to this situation.

[Volatilis]

leveling experience was better.

But endgame BFA is better.

[lionofwar87]

The problem with WoD is that it had little content. But the content it did have was miles better than the anti-fun shit in BfA that feels soulless and with the sole purpose of increasing /played time metrics.

Off the top of my head, WoD was better because:

The classes were better in WoD. Both how they felt to play and how deep they were, and how different they were from one another. Now we have standardized trash that feels the same. With the GCD change it's even more annoying and tedious.

WoW was always grindy, but even in WoD somehow the grinds felt much less tedious and they were more rewarding. In BfA they feel pointless, unrewarding and plain awful.

Timegating was already present but it wasn't nearly as bad as it is now, with timegates within timegates on top of timegates.

RNG wasn't as bad as it is now. RNG is straight up worse than in mobile games now. Hell, with the cancer of 8.3 and the way corrupted gear is wrapped within many layers of RNG (right tier, right effect, right slot etc...), we could say the RNG now is worse than ever.

Even the zones and exploration had more to it. They were already pretty much soulless quest hubs back then, but now they're literally just empty worlds with good art (yeah yeah good job art team).

The story was already a clusterfuck so I guess they're equally shitty in this department. But I do remember enjoying it more back then, but that's probably just me being jaded by now.

And the so-called "content" that BfA has is shit. Island expeditions, warfronts etc... are just shit, pure shit, it's not even subjective, they're not fun or worth doing. It feels like they learned from WoD that they need to add content, but this company is so incompetent it doesn't actually know what good content is.

Wod was better. The delivery of the story was exceptional. Exploring the world killing rares, exploring and being rewarded, I loved my base. Loved (at the time) mission boards.

[raz98]

Which has nothing to do with WoD being good. It was just such a shit expansion that you were so bored out of your minds to go out of your way to 'create' your own content.

bored?! no no no! WoD encouraged us at every turn! the on-use items everywhere that had janky use in PvP, the workshop abilities, the PvP rewards and systems, the way abilities worked back then. WoD was paradise for the creative World PvPer, and never stopped rewarding us for our gameplay. I was more excited about logging into WoD everyday than I was any other expac since Vanilla.

[Kurve1776]

wod had ranged survival. sooooooo

[derpkitteh]

wod had ranged survival. sooooooo

legion survival was better than ranged or bfa survival.

melee hunter was always a good idea, i just wish it'd have been beastmaster instead.