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    Deathwing would have killed everyone, n'zoth would be free, Azeroth nuked by ulduar/ forge of origination

    Burning legion and void lords continue to wage war.

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    Humans would have probably developed a taste for Orc flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardenaso View Post
    I did. I played Warcraft 3 since I 2006.
    Well then, there's your answer: No orcs = the Legion won, game over. Sure, they Alliance might've been stronger at first but it's been explained over and over for the past 14-15 years, that the Alliance would've fractured soon after anways, since the only real thing that made them stick together was the orc menance in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    There is no indication that Godfrey was lying about his intention to remain in good terms with the other nations. Also Blackmoore wanted to rebel because he could muster an army of orcs.
    .... what?

    "His name was Godfrey. Genn trusted his counsel but was always suspicious about his ambitions. Godfrey’s notion was not motivated by empathy as Crowley’s was. It was a smart political play that ensured notoriety for Godfrey, the commander of that standing militia. But he had a point: trade and tariffs did provide the kingdom with much revenue, and endangering those boons wouldn’t be prudent."

    And no, Blackmoore wanted to rebel because what happened to his father and being called "son of a traitor". Having an army of orcs was just an opportunity. King Blackmoore shown what he would be able to do if he got sobered up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    It doesn't matter why they surrendered because they still surrendered to the Alliance's judgement. If they ever realized that the Alliance would offer them no mercy then it'd be too late. The Alliance could literally just put them into camps, giving them the false illusion that they are just being captured, only to kill them shortly after.
    'It doesn't matter that my former point was incorrect, I'm still right'.

    By this logic it doesn't matter if the orcs are killed because, as I started out this thread by stating, Kel'thuzad would still find a way to bring about the Scourge of Lordaeron—no matter how prepared or unified the human kingdoms were or weren't, they'd still get absolutely demolished, the only thing that would actually save them would be listening to Medivh, and that's an implausible course of action—and summarily proceed to summon Archimonde by whatever twist of fate is necessary to do so. The steps would be different, the result would be the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    "To stay in good graces of our sister kingdoms", why would he want that if he did not care about the other kingdoms? To which Greymane agreed, because he listened to him.
    He doesn't care about the other kingdoms, but the other kingdoms might care about his inaction and impose trade sanctions against Gilneas, which would cost their economy dearly. He acted only to save his own hide from retribution come the end of the war, not out of any measure of compassion for the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    .... what?

    "His name was Godfrey. Genn trusted his counsel but was always suspicious about his ambitions. Godfrey’s notion was not motivated by empathy as Crowley’s was. It was a smart political play that ensured notoriety for Godfrey, the commander of that standing militia. But he had a point: trade and tariffs did provide the kingdom with much revenue, and endangering those boons wouldn’t be prudent."

    And no, Blackmoore wanted to rebel because what happened to his father and being called "son of a traitor". Having an army of orcs was just an opportunity. King Blackmoore shown what he would be able to do if he got sobered up.
    He was suspicious about his ambitions, not intentions. You can be ambitious and still seek to be in good terms with your neighbours.

    Also, again, Blackmoore wouldn't have succeeded without an army of orcs, that's why he wanted to rebel, because he knew had the means to win, and that's why he kept Thrall alive to raise him as the general of his army. Without orcs he wouldn't defeat the Alliance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arikara View Post
    'It doesn't matter that my former point was incorrect, I'm still right'.

    By this logic it doesn't matter if the orcs are killed because, as I started out this thread by stating, Kel'thuzad would still find a way to bring about the Scourge of Lordaeron—no matter how prepared or unified the human kingdoms were or weren't, they'd still get absolutely demolished, the only thing that would actually save them would be listening to Medivh, and that's an implausible course of action—and summarily proceed to summon Archimonde by whatever twist of fate is necessary to do so. The steps would be different, the result would be the same.
    If the orcs already surrendered then why would it matter if they could've fought back? I mean, they surrendered, at that point they pretty much gave up any hope of even getting away from the Alliance.

    And yes, it would matter if the orcs were killed. No orcs ---> The Alliance is not pressed by their rebellion and can focus on other threats like the Plague, which due to the orcs' rebellion appeared as nothing more than minor nuisances. Also no orcs ---> No internment camps and heavy taxing, so Kel'thuzad's job becomes much harder and he gets fewer followers for his Cult.

    Also listening to Medivh wouldn't save them, if anything it would mean huge losses for army and civilians alike. As Thrall's journey showed, crossing the Great Sea was a terrible task, with many storms that ravaged the ships, so evacuating the civilians would have most likely meant huge civilian casualties. And obviously there would be a lot of infightining because most people would refuse to abandon the home they fought so hard to defend in the Second War.
    He doesn't care about the other kingdoms, but the other kingdoms might care about his inaction and impose trade sanctions against Gilneas, which would cost their economy dearly. He acted only to save his own hide from retribution come the end of the war, not out of any measure of compassion for the others.
    But he still acted to get closer relationship with the other kingdoms, the end result is what matters. That already proves he had no intention of starting a war with the other nations or anything like that.

    Don't cherry pick, the rest of the paragraph also talk about his intentions.
    It's not.

    False, King Blackmoore managed to rise a group of mercenaries and defeat Doomhammer by himself even before he gathered the orcs. A rebellion is more than a distraction needed for the Scourge, not that the Scourge really needed.
    Mercenaries have no loyalty except to gold. The Alliance would easily make them a better offer than Blackmoore and turn them against him. Also again that alternate Blackmoore conquered Lordaeron with an army of humans and orcs. He wouldn't have won with an army of humans alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    It's not.
    "Godfrey’s notion was not motivated by empathy as Crowley’s was. It was a smart political play that ensured notoriety for Godfrey, the commander of that standing militia."

    Right there. "Not motivated by empathy" and "smart political play that ensured notoriety". Godfrey didn't cared a bit about the sister kingdoms.

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    Mercenaries have no loyalty except to gold. The Alliance would easily make them a better offer than Blackmoore and turn them against him.
    Mercenaries have loyalty to promises of gold, after the battles.

    It's still a distraction. See how the Defias, a former band of workers, managed to opposed Stormwind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    The Cult of the Damned would likely still succeed because of how much of a blind eye every nation except Dalaran had on the plague, and once it catches them completely unaware all the damage will be done either way with Arthas heading to Northrend and turn into a DK. Arthas as a DK would maybe face more resistance, but at that point he was already considerably more powerful than whatever nation can throw at him, so it would just take him longer to clear out Lordaeron and summon Archimonde. And if Archimonde gets summoned than we have no orcs left fighting them and the night elves would be left fighting by themselves with maybe Jaina as an ally. At least the night elves would still have Cenarius at their side.

    Another interesting alternate timeline is how the story would look like if Arthas didn't turn into a DK. Rather than picking up Frostmourne he listens to Muradin and leads his men back home, in which case Mal'Ganis could strike anytime soon but Arthas may convince every nation to take this issue seriously and then combine their powers to hunt down Mal'Ganis. The Legion invasion may not even happen.
    The legion invasion was inevitable, Sargeras was on the march across the great dark to Azeroth. all the legion's gambits and plans only quickened his route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    "Godfrey’s notion was not motivated by empathy as Crowley’s was. It was a smart political play that ensured notoriety for Godfrey, the commander of that standing militia."

    Right there. "Not motivated by empathy" and "smart political play that ensured notoriety". Godfrey didn't cared a bit about the sister kingdoms.



    Mercenaries have loyalty to promises of gold, after the battles.

    It's still a distraction. See how the Defias, a former band of workers, managed to opposed Stormwind.
    Again, not having empathy towards other kingdoms doesn't meant that you do not care about having good relationship with the other kingdoms. That's just something smart to do, you don't need to be a good person to realize that surrounding yourself with nations that hate you is not a good idea. Indeed, Greymane agreed to the possibility of losing trade with the other nations, something he did not want. Thus it is very unlikely he wanted conflict or even wage war against the other kingdoms, and since he wanted to have good trade relationship with the other nations, why would he leave the Alliance, if he wasn't losing money due to the camps?

    Mercenaries have loyalty to promises of gold, after the battles.
    Not really, No, mercenaries are always opened to new offers, that's why they are always so untrustworthy.

    It's still a distraction. See how the Defias, a former band of workers, managed to opposed Stormwind.
    Yes, because most of their armies were fighting the Horde on distant battlefields, and the ones that were in Stormwind were being held back by Onyxia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    And yes, it would matter if the orcs were killed. No orcs ---> The Alliance is not pressed by their rebellion and can focus on other threats like the Plague, which due to the orcs' rebellion appeared as nothing more than minor nuisances. Also no orcs ---> No internment camps and heavy taxing, so Kel'thuzad's job becomes much harder and he gets fewer followers for his Cult.
    Read my comment again, more carefully this time.

    In case I havn't made myself crystal clear yet: Even if Terenas & Co knew about Kel'thuzad (they didn't, and wouldn't have) and exactly what he was doing by the time Medivh came knocking, and all of them chose to stand united in order to address this new threat with all the seriousness that it required: The lot of them would still have been completely and utterly destroyed. Hell, if anything, bringing in any of the other human kingdoms, let alone all of them, would only ensure that the incoming carnage would have been all the more widespread.

    What, you think depriving Kel'thuzad of a few extra farmhands turned Cult of the Damned would have stopped him? The Cult of the Damned was never strong because of its numbers or strength of arms. It was strong because of its leadership, at the head of which stands Kel'thuzad, guided by the Lich King. Nothing the humans could have done, even if they had had more time to prepare and react, would have stopped the spread of the plague and the subsequent march of the undead, which, and I reiterate, they had zero viable solutions to.

    Also listening to Medivh wouldn't save them, if anything it would mean huge losses for army and civilians alike. As Thrall's journey showed, crossing the Great Sea was a terrible task, with many storms that ravaged the ships, so evacuating the civilians would have most likely meant huge civilian casualties. And obviously there would be a lot of infightining because most people would refuse to abandon the home they fought so hard to defend in the Second War.
    You don't say it would have meant huge losses—uprooting a kingdom isn't something you just do. Frankly, it was silly of Medivh to ask in the first place.

    But disregarding your illogical comparisons to Thrall, who literally had fuckall clue where he was going, barely had any preptime at all, or even knew how to sail a boat, any Lordaeronian attempt to cross the sea would still beat getting wiped from existence and forced into eternal servitude as an undead monstrosity, which—and I repeat, because you don't seem to get it—was their only other option, regardless of how far you stretch AU nonsense.

    Lordaeron was doomed before the first plagued grain was ever planted. The only reason the other kingdoms didn't summarily fall under the hand of the Scourge was because Archimonde arrived and summarily commandeered the whole operation to go attack Hyjal, taking a significant chunk of the Scourge and all of its leadership (except Arthas and KT) with him. The remaining humans were so far beneath his attention that he didn't even bother to spend a few months razing their kingdoms to the ground, he wanted to go right for the real target immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Thus it is very unlikely he wanted conflict or even wage war against the other kingdoms, and since he wanted to have good trade relationship with the other nations, why would he leave the Alliance, if he wasn't losing money due to the camps?
    Me and several other already explained that on this same thread. Won't go to circular debate with you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Not really, No, mercenaries are always opened to new offers, that's why they are always so untrustworthy.
    Wanna discuss countless history thesis about mercenaries? Please, do go ahead.

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    Yes, because most of their armies were fighting the Horde on distant battlefields, and the ones that were in Stormwind were being held back by Onyxia.
    If you consider the territories between Elwynn and Stranglethorn "distant", sure.

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    Now that I think of it, every single human kingdom fell at the hands of their own nobles.

    Lordaeron - Arthas
    Gilneas - Godfrey and Crowley
    Alterac - Perenoldes
    Stromgarde - Trollbanes
    Kul Tiras - Without the 8.0 Alliance intervention, it would be a full blown civil war between the nobles
    Stormwind (almost) - The House of Nobles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arikara View Post
    Read my comment again, more carefully this time.

    In case I havn't made myself crystal clear yet: Even if Terenas & Co knew about Kel'thuzad (they didn't, and wouldn't have) and exactly what he was doing by the time Medivh came knocking, and all of them chose to stand united in order to address this new threat with all the seriousness that it required: The lot of them would still have been completely and utterly destroyed. Hell, if anything, bringing in any of the other human kingdoms, let alone all of them, would only ensure that the incoming carnage would have been all the more widespread.
    Why would they have been utterly destroyed? In fact, even in the actual story they are not utterly destroyed, many pockets of human resistance remained, an army led by Garithos even managed to reclaim Dalaran from the Scourge.

    What, you think depriving Kel'thuzad of a few extra farmhands turned Cult of the Damned would have stopped him?
    You're downplaying it, they were not a few extra farmhands. He was relying a lot on the fact that many were angry at Terenas' policies with the orcs, with the word "masses" being used. So definitely more than just a few people.

    Also we don't really know if they did not have a solution to the Plague. Had the Alliance deployed more resources and troops to defend the north, they might've been able to intercept the plagued grain or evacuate some villages. Unfortunately most of their army was south, so the north was pretty much ripe for the taking.

    Lordaeron was doomed before the first plagued grain was ever planted.
    Unfortunately it was, mainly because it was forced to fight on two fronts due to the massive orcish rebellion that was threatening their very doorsteps.

    The only reason the other kingdoms didn't summarily fall under the hand of the Scourge was because Archimonde arrived and summarily commandeered the whole operation to go attack Hyjal, taking a significant chunk of the Scourge and all of its leadership (except Arthas and KT) with him. The remaining humans were so far beneath his attention that he didn't even bother to spend a few months razing their kingdoms to the ground, he wanted to go right for the real target immediately.
    Archimonde would've never been summoned if something went wrong in the Lich King's plan. For example, if Kel'thuzad had been discovered and the spread of the plagued grain hindered significantly (which could have been possible if Lordaeron tightened its grip in the north). Even if it took a lot of time for Arthas to discover the sinister purpose of the plagued grain, more guards and tighter control would've definitely made the cultists' job a lot harder. Even in the actual story, where Lordaeron's control in the north was fragile, Kel'thuzad still had to carefully hide from Lordaeron authorities, because if he was discovered it would've been the end for him.

    If you consider the territories between Elwynn and Stranglethorn "distant", sure.
    It is stated in the very intro of the Human race that they are off fighting to distant battlegrounds.

    Now that I think of it, every single human kingdom fell at the hands of their own nobles.

    Lordaeron - Arthas
    Gilneas - Godfrey and Crowley
    Alterac - Perenoldes
    Stromgarde - Trollbanes
    Kul Tiras - Without the 8.0 Alliance intervention, it would be a full blown civil war between the nobles
    Stormwind (almost) - The House of Nobles
    I mean, you can make that argument for pretty much every race:

    - Quel'thalas: Dar'khan Drathir
    - Night Elves: Azshara
    - Eredar: Archimonde and Kil'jaeden
    - Zandalari: Zul
    - Orcs: Gul'dan and Blackhand
    - Darkspears: Zalazane
    - Tauren: Magatha Grimtotem
    - Blood Elves: Kael'thas
    - Gnomes: Sicco Thermaplugg
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    The Night Elven Sentinals, The Orcish* Horde, and the Alliance Survivors were all needed to defend the World Tree at Hyjal Summit.

    Remove any of these groups from the equation and the Burning Legion successful captures and destroys/corrupts Azeroth during the Third War.

    I think the "What if Arthas left Northrend with Muradin" alternate has more potential. eliminating the orcs before they can help save the world ends the timeline with a legion victory. Since the legion transcends timelines, that spells the end of Azeroth.


    * I forget if they still called themselves that or just Horde by then. In either case, this refers to the Orcs, Darkspear, Tauren etc.
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    It is stated in the very intro of the Human race that they are off fighting to distant battlegrounds.
    Pre-WC3 time period != WoW time period

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Pre-WC3 time period != WoW time period
    Before Varian's disappearance and Katrana's takeover of the army, the Defias were not a major threat to Stormwind, so much so that they were quickly driven from the city. It was only in Classic that they became a real threat, gathering a small army, taking over Westfall, which was abandoned by Stormwind, and building a weapon that could obliterate Stormwind itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Archimonde would've never been summoned if something went wrong in the Lich King's plan. For example, if Kel'thuzad had been discovered and the spread of the plagued grain hindered significantly (which could have been possible if Lordaeron tightened its grip in the north). Even if it took a lot of time for Arthas to discover the sinister purpose of the plagued grain, more guards and tighter control would've definitely made the cultists' job a lot harder. Even in the actual story, where Lordaeron's control in the north was fragile, Kel'thuzad still had to carefully hide from Lordaeron authorities, because if he was discovered it would've been the end for him.
    Sure, lets completely ignore the Scourge armies, Naxxramas and the Dreadlords that were already ready to invade Eastern Kingdoms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Before Varian's disappearance and Katrana's takeover of the army, the Defias were not a major threat to Stormwind, so much so that they were quickly driven from the city. It was only in Classic that they became a real threat, gathering a small army, taking over Westfall, which was abandoned by Stormwind, and building a weapon that could obliterate Stormwind itself.
    Still not pre-WC3. After all, Varian is kidnapped on route to Theramore.

    "However, the Alliance soon began fracturing, and the elven kingdom of Quel'Thalas, along with the human kingdoms of Stromgarde and Gilneas seceded. Despite this, King Varian vowed he would stand by King Terenas and the Alliance as they had stood by him in his time of need. It was also during this time that the Stonemasons who had rebuilt Stormwind demanded to be paid for their service to King Varian and the House of Nobles. However, the corrupt House of Nobles, under the influence of Katrana Prestor, refused to adequately pay the guild for its work. King Varian was unable to negotiate a resolution that appeased both parties. It is suspected that Lady Katrana had ensorcelled half the House of Nobles and half the Stonemasons and because of this, both sides refused to begrudge their positions: with the House of Nobles only offering meager compensation while the Stonemasons continued to demand extravagant sums. However, even Varian does not doubt that some Stormwind nobles were just irredeemably corrupt.[17]

    SI:7 notes that the nobles of Stormwind ran up a huge debt by expanding the kingdom's military presence through Elwynn and into Stranglethorn. The massive debt crippled the kingdom's economy and stripped Edwin VanCleef and his Stonemasons of their promised rewards.[26] Edwin VanCleef and the Stonemasons set to rioting in the streets of Stormwind, demanding just compensation. The riot was dangerous and chaotic and in the confusion Varian's young queen was accidentally killed when a large rock hit her upside the head. Varian vowed to punish those responsible and dealt with the rioters more severely. The Stonemasons, fleeing the city, hid in the rural areas of Westfall to escape prosecution. Knowing Varian's anger would never fade, many were forced to remain in hiding.[27] VanCleef fled Stormwind with the Stonemasons, while Varian mourned Tiffin's death. He subsequently fell into a great depression that was ensorcelled to span a decade; all throughout the duration of the Third War.[28]"
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    It's also a matter that makes no sense whatsoever because somehow the Alliance that lost the northern kingdoms magically became stronger for that. Despite the fact that their main surviving human kingdom (and the "powerhouse" of the entire faction after Lordaeron's demise) is somehow Stormwind. Which prior to WoW was an absolute failure of a nation that got nearly extinct three times in less than a century. Two times to complete jokes like Gnolls and the Gurrubashi. With them needing a deus ex machina in form of Medivh to survive the Trolls. And all of that happened despite Stormwind enjoying centuries, if not millennia, of prosperity prior to that. You don't become a super power after three wars like that. You become 18th century Poland, partitioned by your neighbors.
    I mean the Horde is also a world power despite all its non-Allied Races bar the Forsaken having faced either extremely heavy casualties or near extinction within the last generation. Neither faction makes any sense, and I daresay the Horde is worse at that than the Alliance, who really only have the humans being overly powerful and populous while the Night Elves are constantly worfed and the Dwarves, I dunno, collectively drink themselves into a stupor in a corner or something. How the Orcs can even field an army after endless conflicts and two civil wars when they all fit into a bunch of camps and then one fleet not too long ago, or how the BEs can when they lost 90% of their population even before being split into a myriad of sub-groups and having to survive in a mostly Scourge-filled shithole is a mystery for the ages.

    But the issue is neither here nor there. During WC3, the various factions and races of the world were far more isolated than they are during WoW. Hardly anybody in the EKs even knew Kalimdor existed, and fewer still knew of the Night Elves most likely. Pandaria was shrouded in mists. The Dragonflights kept to themselves, international organizations like the Argent Crusade, Tirisgarde and whatnot did not exist or were at least not in focus. Nowadays people from Pandaria, northern Kalimdor, Northrend and southern Eastern Kingdoms (and beyond!) can talk to each other and band together at a moment's notice if required; Legion showcased that quite well. Thus, the Horde being needed for the world's defense seems increasingly less credible, especially after Garrosh and Sylvanas's antics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timester View Post
    Sure, lets completely ignore the Scourge armies, Naxxramas and the Dreadlords that were already ready to invade Eastern Kingdoms.
    Possibly, although it takes several weeks to get from Northrend to Lordaeron.
    Still not pre-WC3. After all, Varian is kidnapped on route to Theramore.
    And indeed Varian dealt with the rebellion severely, pushing the Stonemasons out of the city and forcing them to hide just to escape prosecution. It was only in WoW when they became a real threat that could actually destroy Stormwind itself, due to the corruption caused by Onyxia and the fragility derived from the army being away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Possibly, although it takes several weeks to get from Northrend to Lordaeron.


    And indeed Varian dealt with the rebellion severely, pushing the Stonemasons out of the city and forcing them to hide just to escape prosecution. It was only in WoW when they became a real threat that could actually destroy Stormwind itself, due to the corruption caused by Onyxia and the fragility derived from the army being away.
    scourge buildings are literally summoned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenebra the War Criminal View Post
    Why would they have been utterly destroyed? In fact, even in the actual story they are not utterly destroyed, many pockets of human resistance remained, an army led by Garithos even managed to reclaim Dalaran from the Scourge.
    Because they have undead that multiply every time a human—soldier or civilian—dies. I don't think you quite appreciate how utterly impossible it was for anyone who wasn't a Paladin of the Silver Hand to even begin to fight back against that.

    Garithos succeeded at retaking Dalaran because at that point the Scourge leadership had left and there were largely only mindless undead left, which are significantly less of a threat. Even then, had it not been for Kael'thas and Vashj, the undead strike force commanded by (iirc) a single Lich that those two managed to defeat would have probably entrenched themselves and launched assault after assault on Garithos' base of operatitons, which would undoubtedly have worn him and his men down and resulted in their eventual demise.

    You're downplaying it, they were not a few extra farmhands. He was relying a lot on the fact that many were angry at Terenas' policies with the orcs, with the word "masses" being used. So definitely more than just a few people.
    No, you're downplaying Kel'thuzads cunning and resourcefulness. He would have wiped Lordaeron out with a paperclip and a piece of string if that was what it took; disgruntled peasants are nothing more and nothing less than a disposable resource, which he used. If he had lacked that, he would have found another method by which to enact his plan.

    Also we don't really know if they did not have a solution to the Plague. Had the Alliance deployed more resources and troops to defend the north, they might've been able to intercept the plagued grain or evacuate some villages.
    They had paladins. A very limited number of paladins. That's it.

    Even if they had managed to intercept shipments of grain—which by the stated timeline would have been much too late to act upon—that wouldn't have stopped KT, merely inconvenienced him. If they had deployed troops—the whole grand army of the combined Alliance—KT would simply have used their own troops against them, or found another avenue of approach. Again, I don't think you quite understand how thoroughly screwed Lordaeron even was before they ever realized it.

    Unfortunately most of their army was south, so the north was pretty much ripe for the taking.

    Unfortunately it was, mainly because it was forced to fight on two fronts due to the massive orcish rebellion that was threatening their very doorsteps.
    This is the kind of nonsensical statement that leads me to think that speaking to you at all is like trying to convince a wall of anything.

    Conventional military might as the Alliance understood it at the time is completely useless against the Scourge. The more troops you send into the meat grinder, the more ghouls will summarily return to haunt you. It would change exactly nothing.

    Also, the 'orcish rebellion' was pretty damn shortlived. They rebelled, spent an unknown length of time gathering up scattered orcish forces, and then left for Kalimdor.

    Archimonde would've never been summoned if something went wrong in the Lich King's plan. For example, if Kel'thuzad had been discovered and the spread of the plagued grain hindered significantly (which could have been possible if Lordaeron tightened its grip in the north). Even if it took a lot of time for Arthas to discover the sinister purpose of the plagued grain, more guards and tighter control would've definitely made the cultists' job a lot harder. Even in the actual story, where Lordaeron's control in the north was fragile, Kel'thuzad still had to carefully hide from Lordaeron authorities, because if he was discovered it would've been the end for him.
    There was a huge margin of error on the road to summoning Archimonde, because the human forces simply did not know what they were dealing with (because it was entirely new).

    If Kel'thuzad had been discovered, he would simply hasten up his plans instead of taking his sweet time, like he was. More guards wouldn't have changed a damn thing—even if they'd been a week earlier and come in greater number, they'd still have been too little too late, and wouldn't actually have been able to stop KT from succeeding by some other means of adaptation if actually necessary. KT did not particularly need to hide from anyone. As for being the end of him, he literally died and still managed to summon Archimonde. Even if Dalaran by some stroke of genius wizardry had become unassailable when the time came to fetch the Book of Medivh, there would be other perfectly valid avenues through which he could go about summoning Archimonde.

    His plan was so foolproof that being found out and fucking killed didn't even slow his plan down. He never even had to bring Naxxramas into play in order to win, or request any troop backup from the Lich King.

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