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  1. #801
    Quote Originally Posted by Softbottom View Post
    Dont hate the game. Just hate time-gated crap content. I like to raid, mythic+, and pvp.

    Whats the point if you are already 470 ilvl and have completed the level of content you generally do? As someone who just does heroic raids and m+ up to 15 there is no reason for me to do masked runs. "For fun and challenge" doesn't do it for me when i already dislike the base version of them.
    People in my guild farm them for the extra chance of corruptions. Ofc it's low chance because you can get only 1 item per each "tier" of rewards from the runs (1 470, 1 465 etc. rolling down), it's not 100% chance to corrupt and even if it does, there's like 50 different possibilities since each corruption also comes in 3 ranks (except gushing wound I think that one has 1 rank only?)

    People also seem to be keen on the idea of power farming the sockets, if you do 5 runs a week all with 5 masks I think you can manage a socket in 1 - 1,5 weeks.

    I think they're being a bit too "hardcore" for the level of guild I'm in, but each to their own.

  2. #802
    I just managed to get my first solo full clear as a caster and It felt pretty amazing. The risk reward ratio is pretty nice and now I can work on masks.

    The legendary cloak quest takes a little out of it as it feels bad to fall behind so I didn't take any risks until I got rank 12.

  3. #803
    Quote Originally Posted by Softbottom View Post
    Whats the point if you are already 470 ilvl and have completed the level of content you generally do? As someone who just does heroic raids and m+ up to 15 there is no reason for me to do masked runs. "For fun and challenge" doesn't do it for me when i already dislike the base version of them.
    Why would you NOT improve your characters performance and try to improve as a player just because you completed the content you generally do?

    If you don’t see a point in doing Visions for free socket slots on your gear just because you already cleared Heroic then you should probably wait until the next expansion before you log in again - as you already beat the game in your eyes.

    How do you function in real life work situations when someone suggests doing something to increase efficiency? Do you just say that theres no need because the old slower way still works?

  4. #804
    Quote Originally Posted by Softbottom View Post
    Whats the point if you are already 470 ilvl and have completed the level of content you generally do? As someone who just does heroic raids and m+ up to 15 there is no reason for me to do masked runs. "For fun and challenge" doesn't do it for me when i already dislike the base version of them.
    By your logic in your current situation there's no point in doing heroic raids and m+ either. So might as well, after over a decade, finally accept how the game is functioning or unsub and never come back.

  5. #805
    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    By your logic in your current situation there's no point in doing heroic raids and m+ either. So might as well, after over a decade, finally accept how the game is functioning or unsub and never come back.
    I do heroic raids and mythic plus because i actually enjoy the content. And no i wont unsub and never come back. Ive played the game since beta and i enjoy the game. Some parts of the game are straight up garbage is the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kief View Post
    Why would you NOT improve your characters performance and try to improve as a player just because you completed the content you generally do?

    If you don’t see a point in doing Visions for free socket slots on your gear just because you already cleared Heroic then you should probably wait until the next expansion before you log in again - as you already beat the game in your eyes.

    How do you function in real life work situations when someone suggests doing something to increase efficiency? Do you just say that theres no need because the old slower way still works?
    Improving my performance with a few sockets at the end of the expansion is pointless.

    Real life vs video games are two different things. I dont treat wow and my job the same man lol. I play games for fun. When the game becomes unfun i unsub. If parts of the game are not enjoyable i avoid them. Not sure what your problem is.
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  6. #806
    Quote Originally Posted by Softbottom View Post
    I do heroic raids and mythic plus because i actually enjoy the content. And no i wont unsub and never come back. Ive played the game since beta and i enjoy the game. Some parts of the game are straight up garbage is the issue.
    Point me at one person that's enjoying 100% of the content and is consuming it all with pleasure. Hint: you can't. Doesn't make it trash just because you don't like it. Or if one person's opinion makes something trash and not worth developing, we can assume whole game is trash and should be shut down. Or in that case, everything in the world.

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    Honestly, they're okay but it kind of comes down to what class you play. Casters mostly got the short end of the stick with these as a lot of the time it can be more awkward to do big pulls and AoE everything down. They seem to be more fun as the good AoE melee classes such as DH and DK or warrior. As a priest main they aren't the most tailored experienced I've had, though luckily we have Disc as a spec, which is quite viable after the nerfs they made for healers and tanks (I've pulled off a full clear in case anyway was curious).

    Another peeve I have with the Horrific Visions is they're one of those things where you have to be feeling pretty energetic to want to do, and I'm pretty lazy so I'll either only do them once or twice a week or not at all. That applies for pretty much any remotely challenging content though so not even I can really count that as a valid criticism.

  8. #808
    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    Point me at one person that's enjoying 100% of the content and is consuming it all with pleasure. Hint: you can't. Doesn't make it trash just because you don't like it.
    You missed the part where he was answering to another person that said if you hate visions you hate the whole game. So basically the fallacy you were pointing out was in the person earlier in the conversation.

    It would be nice though if they could design content as being optional modules instead of everything interconnected with each other to push people into doing everything, even stuff they don't particularly enjoy. The cloak is a centerpiece of this patch, if you want to participate in any endgame that isn't bottom level of casual you have to get it. Whether you like it or not.

    On the other hand some people do like visions and would run them more if they could, but they can't since these have limited attempts, or they like the visions themselves but not the dailies / invasions you need to do to obtain the vessels.

    Across the years wow evolved into more and more of "A is gated behind B" which both are completely different type of content, but if you like B while not liking A the only option is to either quit altogether, or grit your teeth and suffer through it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonder View Post
    Honestly, they're okay but it kind of comes down to what class you play. Casters mostly got the short end of the stick with these as a lot of the time it can be more awkward to do big pulls and AoE everything down.
    Tbh I've watched Xerwo's 5 mask run and he literally mowed through it in 1 orb then spent the other 2 orbs chit chatting with his stream viewers. But yeah, he's from Method so he has both the gear and the skill average player doesn't. Still pretty good watch what a caster can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyh68uy1EJc

    I've heard to someone did the same (basically burn everything with superior dps) as a mage too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Tbh I've watched Xerwo's 5 mask run and he literally mowed through it in 1 orb then spent the other 2 orbs chit chatting with his stream viewers. But yeah, he's from Method so he has both the gear and the skill average player doesn't. Still pretty good watch what a caster can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyh68uy1EJc

    I've heard to someone did the same (basically burn everything with superior dps) as a mage too.
    I'm assuming it's mostly about Shadow Priests. They were always pretty bad in various "world content", since the way Voidform work isn't really suited to short, bursty aoe encounters, with enough breaks between them that they lose haste/crit stacks. No real burst for bosses, either, since shadowfiend/mindbender isn't exactly a major cooldown. Even those burrowing tentacles can be a nuisance, since they ignore dot damage while moving around, while pet classes/melee just mows them down.

    And it still pales when compared to Demon Hunters, which are just silly. Short cooldown aoe and self healing is the king.

  10. #810
    I enjoy them quite a bit, though having started with 5 mask runs i feel the enjoyment has diminished by quite a bit as the small annoyances start to work against you in earnest.
    Medium difficulty areas being a chore to get through because of a combination of entomophobia and scorched feet.
    Rexxar taking all your sanity because you either have to rush him and tank the sanity damage, or go it slow and lose sanity to passive damage regardless.
    The RNG present in which potions you find, which can make or break a run completely.

    I cannot deny that it will be quite cathartic to finally complete that full mask, full clear solo run. But goddamn if everything conspires against you.

  11. #811
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Tbh I've watched Xerwo's 5 mask run and he literally mowed through it in 1 orb then spent the other 2 orbs chit chatting with his stream viewers. But yeah, he's from Method so he has both the gear and the skill average player doesn't. Still pretty good watch what a caster can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyh68uy1EJc

    I've heard to someone did the same (basically burn everything with superior dps) as a mage too.
    I'm not on method level so I had only one orb to spare, but if you have kept up with gearing (470+), cloak and research (should be full now), from this week on it's really trivial, even on a warlock. And it's gonna get twice as easy in a few weeks.

    Ofc the average player hasn't kept up with anything, so it's probably gonna very difficult for them, just like mythic raiding or +15s would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Rexxar taking all your sanity because you either have to rush him and tank the sanity damage, or go it slow and lose sanity to passive damage regardless.
    Rexxar is the most difficult thing there (at least as a warlock). Try to bait the gift proc from his boar and then just delete him before it expires with hero.

  12. #812
    Quote Originally Posted by Kief View Post
    Also, do NOT forget to ALWAYS pick up the % VERS/HP/DMG/CRIT/HASTE buffs early on as they are massively helpful. If you don't know what I mean with those buffs or how to identify what potions are good or bad then you should do a quick google search first and you'll find your future runs much easier.
    No, these potions can fuck you up real good. It's better to just pick up sanity potions and unless you track all these potions so they never expire mid fight don't take them.
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    Buff potion placement is so random that they're not really worth it - with the possible exception of fire breath for healers, since their standard aoe is garbage. If you don't find another buff in short order, you'll lose it in the most crucial moment, sending you into puking spree in the middle of something nasty, potentially wasting your entire run. They really should give them pre-determined spots, like chests, so at least you know there will be *something* in the area. Instead, you can get lucky and get several sanity potions in a row, giving you a ton of free time for no cost, completely randomly.

  14. #814
    Sigh, tried 5 mask and failed. Wisdom, Spirits, Drag went fine. I didnt even manage to get to Rexxar though... was trying to move around in stealth to skip the trash, engaged the elite, but somehow (really have no idea how) the pack between the elite and Rexxar got pulled (could it be te treants?) and it headbutted me into the caster pack who stuns. Revive procced but I instantly got headbutted into yet another pack, at which point it was gg and I died. Oh well, gotta try tomorrow...

  15. #815
    Quote Originally Posted by burek View Post
    I'm not on method level so I had only one orb to spare, but if you have kept up with gearing (470+), cloak and research (should be full now), from this week on it's really trivial, even on a warlock. And it's gonna get twice as easy in a few weeks.

    Ofc the average player hasn't kept up with anything, so it's probably gonna very difficult for them, just like mythic raiding or +15s would be.
    Well the average casual doesn't mythic raid or run m+15s so how would they have 470+ gear.

    Luckily you don't need to use any masks to upgrade cloak until level 15+, so that's half the hp on mobs than what they have in 4-5 mask run.

  16. #816
    Nope. Incredibly boring, only interesting up until you do your first run with a mask.

  17. #817
    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    Sigh, tried 5 mask and failed. Wisdom, Spirits, Drag went fine. I didnt even manage to get to Rexxar though... was trying to move around in stealth to skip the trash, engaged the elite, but somehow (really have no idea how) the pack between the elite and Rexxar got pulled (could it be te treants?) and it headbutted me into the caster pack who stuns. Revive procced but I instantly got headbutted into yet another pack, at which point it was gg and I died. Oh well, gotta try tomorrow...
    The mob which headbutts has true sight. If you want to skip it - go further to the right (inside the death zone) and move to the north of them.

  18. #818
    Quote Originally Posted by Morry View Post
    The mob which headbutts has true sight. If you want to skip it - go further to the right (inside the death zone) and move to the north of them.
    No, I was still fighting the elite at the time, at its spawn location.

    Anyway, tried again yesterday and died to Rexxar. Not from sanity, just from dmg. So idk...

  19. #819
    The difference between rank 10 and no gift of the titans to rank 11 + gift of the titans is ASTOUNDING. I went from almost clearing 4 zones to killing everything + boss without using 1 orb. I can't imagine the difference at rank 15...

    It's a testing ground for the new Shadowlands Tower. Overall it's fun but I can see it getting boring since you're doing kind of the same thing over and over again.

  20. #820
    Quote Originally Posted by keymil View Post
    Sigh, tried 5 mask and failed. Wisdom, Spirits, Drag went fine. I didnt even manage to get to Rexxar though... was trying to move around in stealth to skip the trash, engaged the elite, but somehow (really have no idea how) the pack between the elite and Rexxar got pulled (could it be te treants?) and it headbutted me into the caster pack who stuns. Revive procced but I instantly got headbutted into yet another pack, at which point it was gg and I died. Oh well, gotta try tomorrow...
    There's a fence post/sign post/whatever on the road where you can lean against so he doesn't knock you back at all.

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