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  1. #981
    Quote Originally Posted by Kehego View Post
    i'm not but okay.
    Was uldir the first tier of bfa or did bfa have no tiers of content?
    BFA had 3 tiers, Battle of Dazar'alor, Eternal Palace and Ny'alotha. Legion had 3 tiers, Nighthold, Tomb of Sargeras and Antorus. WoD had 2 tiers, Blackrock Foundry and Hellfire Citadel.

    Welcome to World of Warcraft, new player.

  2. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by Galathir View Post
    Corruptions are a double-edged sword, especially in visions. I always run visions at a corruption level sub 20 as movement with Mask of the Pained and Burned Bridge is so heavily restricted that bad corruption proccs can quickly get you killed.
    With higher cloak level you can wear more corruption for less negative impact. Also depends if you're a class that can easily remove slows or no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moonstream View Post
    So I feel dumb, for whatever reason that didn't click for me...to just skip the half sanity mask for now. That would have made my first solo 3 mask completion that I did last night a hell of a lot easier lol.
    I can safely clear 3 mask with the "easy" masks (puddles, adds, double madness), haven't tried 4, tried to go for 5 once but died on rexxar even proccing gift just before pulling him no way I can dps him down in time. Haven't tried sw 5 mask yet but I heard it's overall harder so not sure if I should risk my vials.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalcifur View Post
    A few people mentioned this but went largely unnoticed.

    Get a weak aura to track gift of the titans. The internal cooldown starts the moment the buff drops and is VERY accurate, making it easy to manage. The proc can come from killing non essential critters and is well over 50% chance to trigger.

    This is the solution to bosses with "unavoidable" sanity damage in 5 mask runs that makes many people who are clearing them claim the content is "easy". You end up not needing to orb before things like umbric because you actually benefit from being attacked by adds from dark imagination, they will trigger your buff allowing you to walk through arcane missles which saves your interrupt for polymorph.
    This is another situation where "casuals" are handicapped because the game is just overreliant on addons. I personally hate it. Can't raid without weak auras, can't m+ without weak auras, now can't even do solo content efficiently without wa. People who play with minimally modded default UI are at bigger and bigger disadvantage with every passing expansion. So there's not only a gap of skill and gear but also UI. And it's not just the vanilla levels of "are you a clicker / keyboard turner" it's literally unplayable without addons.

  3. #983
    Quote Originally Posted by MakeMeLaugh View Post
    BFA had 3 tiers, Battle of Dazar'alor, Eternal Palace and Ny'alotha. Legion had 3 tiers, Nighthold, Tomb of Sargeras and Antorus. WoD had 2 tiers, Blackrock Foundry and Hellfire Citadel.

    Welcome to World of Warcraft, new player.
    Legion had 5, though.
    WoD, 3
    MoP, 4.

  4. #984
    I haven't played in maybe 6 months. Couple days ago I jumped back in caught up my questlines to the first horrific vision. 1/10 did not have fun. With no gear, and no idea what to do it just made me want to never try that again. Even after reading a horrific visions guide I'm still not sure what to do.

  5. #985
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    So you walked in and completed tower without working traits? How is that different to esscences?
    You were getting like 70% of your artifact filled with LITERALLY 2 WQ in 7.3 Legion. This is NOT the case in BFA. Getting from 50 neck to 70-75 definitely takes much longer than 2 WQ.

    Also you needed Legendaries in Legion, true, but they had multiple ways to obtain them so you could pick one you didn't absolutely despise and farm that until you got what you needed. It was super bad until 7.2, true, but then it got buffed then again in 7.3 got buffed once more. Now in BFA if you need essence from X content you're stuck with that. I still don't have the goddamn rated pvp and bg essences on my main because I hate and despise pvp.

    I didn't mind playing alts to get gear, I raided on them, I did m+ on them. I hated redoing the whole Argus questline on every single alt but I only did it because it was so lucrative for gold to unlock the missions. It was NOT necessary for the character to access the raid or m+, if I remember even Seat of Triumvirate was unlocked account wide once you did it on 1 char (even though it was shit dungeon and nobody wanted to do it anyway). Netherlight crucible was unlocked account wide.

    Broken shore intro was skippable once done on 1 char now Nazjatar intro is not skippable no matter what, they could just skip us to the Magni scenario in Highmountain if that can't be skipped to unlock your essences. But why can't we skip the whole unlocking the camp in Nazja part when we could in Broken Shore, especially now that it's old content from previous patch. You can't even pick the 8.3 questline without doing the Nazja intro ffs.

    How can anyone say that everything was the same in Legion when there was a lot more skips and decent amount of leniency in obtaining "necessary" things for the character to function.

    P.S. Also wtf is wrong with the 8.3 catch up gear that they went back to giving us 1 trait azerite?! I'm still having to use 8.2 benthic on alts because it has all rings while 8.3 ones have only half the rings.
    Last edited by Marrilaife; 2020-03-05 at 11:06 PM.

  6. #986
    Quote Originally Posted by Kehego View Post
    Legion had 5, though.
    WoD, 3
    MoP, 4.
    As Abraham Lincoln asked, "how many legs does a dog have, if you call a tail a leg?"

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  7. #987
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post

    This is another situation where "casuals" are handicapped because the game is just overreliant on addons. I personally hate it. Can't raid without weak auras, can't m+ without weak auras, now can't even do solo content efficiently without wa. People who play with minimally modded default UI are at bigger and bigger disadvantage with every passing expansion. So there's not only a gap of skill and gear but also UI. And it's not just the vanilla levels of "are you a clicker / keyboard turner" it's literally unplayable without addons.
    This is a legitimate case to be raised to blizz as a whole. In many ways, i would like to agree, a game should be playable and enjoyable entiry on its own merits. But i have been using addons on wow since vanilla, and i was so stupid back then i had to be hand held to install ventrillo (it was literally a click to install thing, but still, dumb as shit kid). Whether players realize it or not, modding culture in game design has exploded in relevance, to the point where nowadays no game released to market is complete since patches and mods will inevitably be added later.

    In a perfect world, it would be nice if addons were unncessary and just extra things that could add fun to an experience. But players now are so much more capable than developers as we outnumber them thousands of times over. Combine this with the reality that wow is also a game that has also grown with its own gaming meta culture and you end up with a situation where it seems hard to ignore mods to the game.

    Worth remembering that blizzard has actually forbidden the use of specidic addons at various points in their history, but they simply cannot stop them all. They actively support sites like wowhead that has numerous links to boss mods and other tools to streamline gameplay. It has simply become another facet of the get good mentality in gaming discourse.

    And i get it, there's nothing i fear more than being rendered obsolete or otherwise incapable in playing the games i love. It's something many people on these forums know very well even if they dont have the balls to admit it. But when all is said and done, all one can do is run for as long as one can. To that end, i try to keep my answers complete, my advice honest, and my outlook as positive as possible. We are playing this game to have fun, we engage in forums to learn and share knowledge.

  8. #988
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azadina View Post
    Can someone who plays a priest look me in the eyes and tell me with a straight face that they enjoy the visions? One who isn't a glutton for punishment sort of a person?
    Kinda sorta? It's not horrible, but it's obvious that my class is poorly suited to vision - whereas mage tower worked perfectly fine for all three specs. I have ran them on a melee alt and the difference is enormous. Excellent aoe, good mobility, stun, burst, no reliance on ramp up or on-use trinkets. It wasn't even a demon hunter, but it was enough to make me feel pretty underpowered for this type of content.

    Otherwise, it is a decent side activity, but not being able to plow through it certainly puts a damper on my enjoyment. There's not a single zone or a boss where I can go "aw yeah, Priest is really good for this one, I couldn't do this on another class". *Maybe* the Hulk miniboss, where I can fade and avoid sanity loss, but that's really stretching it - plus he's such a joke that it doesn't matter.

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    Thought I would get burnt out on them after working on my main's cloak, but, I'm finding them to be one of the more enjoyable features of 8.3. I really like that I can do these solo and as such at any dam time I feel like doing them. I really like that they can be done relatively quickly. I like that they are a challenge but not a ridiculously difficult one.

  10. #990
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    This is another situation where "casuals" are handicapped because the game is just overreliant on addons. I personally hate it. Can't raid without weak auras, can't m+ without weak auras, now can't even do solo content efficiently without wa.
    No, but you can. It's your personal choice to go down that rabbit hole, and label things "required".

    I can think of a single WA that is absolutely necessary for me in M+: an interrupt tracker. But even if I don't have it, I would still be able to play a non-shaman healer role at 3k+ score and try to be oblivious to how the rest of the group manage their interrupts. There are QoL WAs that I'm really used to, such as Nnogga's party cooldown tracker or MDT. But losing them will not suddenly stop me from timing keys that I can time right now.

    I have seen a top AWC player do hardcore PvE content with basically standard WoW UI. That was eye opening. You don't need 100 WAs to be good.

    I did solo 5-mask clear of Orgrimmar without paying any attention to the Gift buff (I did not watch or read any guides, wanted to learn it on my own, so I just did not think I had to track any buffs). If I kept on failing, I would have a choice to either wait and try a couple of weeks later (causal approach), or to min-max the fuck out of it (like getting all WAs) and push for completing it now (hardcore approach). You don't have to choose the latter.
    Last edited by ID811717; 2020-03-06 at 12:35 AM.

  11. #991
    God no.

    It would be fine if I could keep practicing and keep getting better. However I'm limited to like 2 runs a week and if I try to improve myself I risk the chance of not upgrading the cloak.

    In addition to that I think it's heavily anti caster, as a destruction warlock I pretty much just have to nuke things before the mobs effects have a chance to kick in.

  12. #992
    Quote Originally Posted by MiiiMiii View Post
    To me, they are just stressful and it's just a bunch of "move out of the AoE" every single time I cast a spell.

    I don't enjoy it at all and it's really an indicator of how Shadowlands solo content is gonna be too... I play a Resto Shaman, just like Ion does, and it just feels horrible doing these horrific visions solo, even after these nerfs... I just end up asking myself "why does this system even exist?"..

    I get they are desperate to make the game get positive feelback but the direction they are going is just completely wrong IMO. Take some inspiration from Classic and stop this dumb daily and weekly chore BS. That's just me though.

    How do u guys feel about Horrific Visions?

    yes and no. I despised them until I got to cloak rank 10, then 4 chest + boss clear became trivial.
    so I dont mind doing them so much NOW. That being said I just dont like this gear system.
    Please for the good of the game, I pray they just go back to tier sets, PvP specific gear earned via PvP.

    What about M+ you may be asking? yeah I dont care. Thats part of the reason we keep getting served the same shit sandwich.

  13. #993
    Now that my back is at 12 or 13 and I have the proc I doubt I will keep doing them or the nonsense you need to do to do them.
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  14. #994
    Quote Originally Posted by slime View Post
    Weird that's the only mask I've gotten so far the one that gives you 500 sanity... did I do something out of order? It does make it harder... could not clear one of the 12 corruption errors.
    but I did get the other 3 and boss cleared.
    The half sanity mask is the first one you unlock, but once you've finished one run with it you'll start unlocking the others, at which point you can stop using it until you start going for 5 masks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Omybad View Post
    I did until I tried a 5mask run, got stunned and took about 300 sanity damage, into the rez, into a stun, 500 sanity damage into death. Maybe a 1.5 pack. Need to make stuns on a dr or reduce them
    There's a new cooking recipe in 8.3 that reduces the duration of incoming CC in visions, but all of the stun abilities you'll run into should be avoidable. It's usually trash mobs that have them, either as an interruptible cast or as a frontal cone/aoe with a cast time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    This is another situation where "casuals" are handicapped because the game is just overreliant on addons. I personally hate it. Can't raid without weak auras, can't m+ without weak auras, now can't even do solo content efficiently without wa. People who play with minimally modded default UI are at bigger and bigger disadvantage with every passing expansion. So there's not only a gap of skill and gear but also UI. And it's not just the vanilla levels of "are you a clicker / keyboard turner" it's literally unplayable without addons.
    I wouldn't say that's the case for visions. I haven't used any addons for my runs and they're very doable even without the cloak being maxed out. Getting gift of the titans to proc on bosses is only really necessary if your strategy is to burst them down super fast or outright ignore their sanity mechanics for 20 seconds. Like most min/maxing, it'll help you beat stuff more easily at lower gear levels or compensate for playing certain specs, but it's definitely not an intended or required part of the challenge.

  15. #995
    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    As Abraham Lincoln asked, "how many legs does a dog have, if you call a tail a leg?"

    The answer is "four", because calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one.
    four is an acceptable answer, since ToV skirts the line.
    but it's def more than three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ID811717 View Post
    No, but you can. It's your personal choice to go down that rabbit hole, and label things "required".

    I can think of a single WA that is absolutely necessary for me in M+: an interrupt tracker. But even if I don't have it, I would still be able to play a non-shaman healer role at 3k+ score and try to be oblivious to how the rest of the group manage their interrupts. There are QoL WAs that I'm really used to, such as Nnogga's party cooldown tracker or MDT. But losing them will not suddenly stop me from timing keys that I can time right now.

    I have seen a top AWC player do hardcore PvE content with basically standard WoW UI. That was eye opening. You don't need 100 WAs to be good.

    I did solo 5-mask clear of Orgrimmar without paying any attention to the Gift buff (I did not watch or read any guides, wanted to learn it on my own, so I just did not think I had to track any buffs). If I kept on failing, I would have a choice to either wait and try a couple of weeks later (causal approach), or to min-max the fuck out of it (like getting all WAs) and push for completing it now (hardcore approach). You don't have to choose the latter.
    in all fairness you don't really have anything like the elite fleshbeast in orgrimmar to completely destroy your sanity.

  16. #996
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalcifur View Post
    This is a legitimate case to be raised to blizz as a whole. In many ways, i would like to agree, a game should be playable and enjoyable entiry on its own merits. But i have been using addons on wow since vanilla, and i was so stupid back then i had to be hand held to install ventrillo (it was literally a click to install thing, but still, dumb as shit kid). Whether players realize it or not, modding culture in game design has exploded in relevance, to the point where nowadays no game released to market is complete since patches and mods will inevitably be added later.

    In a perfect world, it would be nice if addons were unncessary and just extra things that could add fun to an experience. But players now are so much more capable than developers as we outnumber them thousands of times over. Combine this with the reality that wow is also a game that has also grown with its own gaming meta culture and you end up with a situation where it seems hard to ignore mods to the game.

    Worth remembering that blizzard has actually forbidden the use of specidic addons at various points in their history, but they simply cannot stop them all. They actively support sites like wowhead that has numerous links to boss mods and other tools to streamline gameplay. It has simply become another facet of the get good mentality in gaming discourse.
    I'm not hating on addons, I use them myself, and I defo don't hate the addon developers, they're helping people for free by spending their time developing addons so if they deserve anything it's praise. I just dislike how it takes Blizzard ages to add any elements to the basic UI and many are left in the state that they expect you to use addons for it.

    Blizzard even admitted they develop content with expectation players will use addons so it means you're handicapped if you don't for whatever reason. If something like boss timers are required to be able to react to something, why aren't they a part of a basic ui?

    At least they did add basic cooldown tracking for your own spells, but unfortunately it's broken for spells with charges so I still have to use an addon.

    And yes, I know there are multiple wa for visions for example one that helps you track the colours of the potions, or one that tells you in how many minutes / seconds your sanity will be passively drained. I know you don't NEED to use them, I just feel there's a big disparity between people who say "it's super easy" and people who struggle. I'm somewhere in between - not doing tragically, not doing brilliantly either.

    And yes I do already use the handy notes addon for vision so I'm not exactly going in blindly.

  17. #997
    Quote Originally Posted by schwarzkopf View Post
    The visions are excellent because you can partially progress and gradually improve - but yes, they are REALLY hard on some classes at the start, and TRIVIAL on the others. But all classes can build up further and further.

    Just got my 5/5 achieve today ...

    That's way better than the Mage Tower where you walked in and splat, no reward, no feedback, no improvement - or if your class/spec was doing a well balanced one, you walked in single shot it and it was done.
    I started today with just the long night mask. I ended the day with all the masks, their mogs, and my +4 mask achievements. Not touching the +5 until split personality is not on the menu.
    "Remember, never look over the long term story and try to piece together what Blizzard planned, only take singular moments out of context and blow them way out of proportion. We can argue better that way. Every time I try to look at the story as Blizzard are presenting it I'm either called a shill or a fanfiction writer." Powerogue 2019

  18. #998
    Quote Originally Posted by Kehego View Post
    Legion had 5, though.
    WoD, 3
    MoP, 4.
    Someone doesn't know what WoW tiers are. Imagine someone saying "Tier 12 is firelands" then, out of nowhere, pro player Kehego jumps in and says "no, tier 12 is the eye of eternity" and saves the day, lmao.

    OT: You guys are insane if you think you need addons for visions, even for 5 masks runs.

  19. #999
    Quote Originally Posted by MakeMeLaugh View Post
    Someone doesn't know what WoW tiers are. Imagine someone saying "Tier 12 is firelands" then, out of nowhere, pro player Kehego jumps in and says "no, tier 12 is the eye of eternity" and saves the day, lmao.

    OT: You guys are insane if you think you need addons for visions, even for 5 masks runs.
    doesn't make highmaul/msv/en less of a tier
    having a numbered tier appearance isn't what makes a raid tier.

  20. #1000
    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Curious how you, or anyone really, deals with Rexxar. He seems like the most troublesome boss in all the HV. Most people I see in full 5 mask clears just burn him down before his pets can drain to much sanity. But that's not really possible for me since those people deal double the DPS that I do somehow.
    Simple. I do it slowly. Don't throw up any dots, just smack away at him. When the add comes out switch and nuke it. I have my interrupt up and it dies. Return to Rexxar. Nice and slow. Interrupt it back before next pet comes out. It's totally a control fight.
    "Remember, never look over the long term story and try to piece together what Blizzard planned, only take singular moments out of context and blow them way out of proportion. We can argue better that way. Every time I try to look at the story as Blizzard are presenting it I'm either called a shill or a fanfiction writer." Powerogue 2019

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