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  1. #141
    There is a reason you can do them with a group. If your spec isn't good at soloing, do them with a group.
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  2. #142
    Best content I have seen in a while.. Especially since we need to clear more zones to get upgrades.

    Though I dislike farming the Vessels, only to find out I cant use them until next week. (Or you can, but you cant upgrade the cloak further)
    But I have so many vessels in my bag, just waiting to get used - because I want to get exalted as soon as possible.

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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Babadoo View Post
    If you want adrenaline pumping do fuckin arenas. Everything is timed now and it's insanely stressful. I rather have slow tactical play with things that are deadly than GOGOGO AOE mentality.
    You mean, if I want to spend 10 minutes stunned do arenas. Arena's are awful, I HATE pvp.

  4. #144
    As a demo warlock, they are not very fun solo. The fact that Demon Hunters and other melee can just waltz through them mass pulling and AoEing whatever they want and still be fine is added salt to the wound.

    Also the "Your first rez costs no sanity" Needs a buff, the other version of that, the 500 Sanity Reicarn gives way way more sanity than the free rez from an ally, why even grab that talent? you rez someone with it they come back with about 50-100 sanity. The sanity reicarn is leaps and bounds better than a free rez that grants no sanity.
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  5. #145
    No they are bland and boring, i don't even bother anymore.

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  7. #147
    Best thing they invented in a long, long time, no question. However, with how bad average player is, I'm sure Blizzard will nerf them into oblivion, making them absolutely trivial. Hell, they will be more or less trivial in a few weeks when we have maxed cloak and talent tree, even on 5 masks.

    Also, funny thing about visions, is how they require a different skillset than m+/raiding. I myself know several decent mythic raiders, who absolutely suck at doing visions, despite usually playing some of the best classes for them. But I guess when you don't have entire raid carrying you, and you can only rely on yourself...it shows you who has brain and who doesn't
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  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by MiiiMiii View Post
    Ion said in an interview that one of the things Retail should learn from Classic is "the pacing". So why do they still think this ADHD gogogo solo content they call Horrific Visions is OK in 8.3? Did they learn anything from Classic? I agree with you 100%.
    > timed
    > ADHD

    Sounds like someone failed their visions

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drakile View Post
    As a demo warlock, they are not very fun solo. The fact that Demon Hunters and other melee can just waltz through them mass pulling and AoEing whatever they want and still be fine is added salt to the wound.

    Also the "Your first rez costs no sanity" Needs a buff, the other version of that, the 500 Sanity Reicarn gives way way more sanity than the free rez from an ally, why even grab that talent? you rez someone with it they come back with about 50-100 sanity. The sanity reicarn is leaps and bounds better than a free rez that grants no sanity.
    You can have both, so why does it matter if one is better

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    Quote Originally Posted by Torva Tiger View Post
    I'll make a bet that 90% of people here don't do them as a group and mostly try and solo it with all the challenge that comes with that.
    It's subjective, but it's more fun for me solo, I can do exactly what I want and only need to worry about me fucking up

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by MiiiMiii View Post
    To me, they are just stressful and it's just a bunch of "move out of the AoE" every single time I cast a spell.

    I don't enjoy it at all and it's really an indicator of how Shadowlands solo content is gonna be too... I play a Resto Shaman, just like Ion does, and it just feels horrible doing these horrific visions solo, even after these nerfs... I just end up asking myself "why does this system even exist?"..

    I get they are desperate to make the game get positive feelback but the direction they are going is just completely wrong IMO. Take some inspiration from Classic and stop this dumb daily and weekly chore BS. That's just me though.

    How do u guys feel about Horrific Visions?
    As a fellow resto shaman I feel your pain, but the system isn't really flawed, the customer exp of your class is a bit harsh

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Babadoo View Post
    If you want adrenaline pumping do fuckin arenas. Everything is timed now and it's insanely stressful. I rather have slow tactical play with things that are deadly than GOGOGO AOE mentality.
    Try and fight umbric or shaw with a "GOGOGO AOE" mentality, tell me how that goes. Timed and tactical aren't mutually exclusive - one could argue the fact it is timed makes it tactical, if there was no time constraint they would be so unbelievably easy.

    You don't even need to do the *hard* zones to upgrade your cloak yet and people are already whining about stress and difficulty - frankly not everything needs to be spoonfed, and if you're the sort of player who wants that (which is perfectly okay) you don't need to care about upgrading your cloak

  11. #151
    SW Visions and that stupid hotfoot jump mechanic is the absolute worst for mages. There's a couple of spots you can use a backward jump to your advantage, but if you have bad RNG, you could just as easily fling yourself into an add pack in the Dwarven District and end up dead and wasting your time.

    Mechanics that move your characters can be done well, and can be a challenge to overcome, but this mechanic is just sadistic.

    Based only on my experience, I find the Orgrimmar visions SUPER easy compared to SW.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Try and fight umbric or shaw with a "GOGOGO AOE" mentality, tell me how that goes. Timed and tactical aren't mutually exclusive - one could argue the fact it is timed makes it tactical, if there was no time constraint they would be so unbelievably easy.

    You don't even need to do the *hard* zones to upgrade your cloak yet and people are already whining about stress and difficulty - frankly not everything needs to be spoonfed, and if you're the sort of player who wants that (which is perfectly okay) you don't need to care about upgrading your cloak
    Shaw is dead simple. You could easily take him down with "GOGOGO" AOE" mentality, his only mechanic is don't face the eyeballs. You could essentially do the same with Umbric. Neither of them have any difficult abilities

    The only issue with this is that you have to clear the adds before Shaw to unlock the gates so it's not efficient to go collect additional adds to AOE down with him, and there really aren't any adds near Umbric you'd be able to bring with you because you have to clear the portals and the eyeballs are stuck in place

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    The area affixes should have been class-specific imo. DHs can do 5mask runs meanwhile casters like Shadow Priests suffer horribly.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasu65 View Post
    The area affixes should have been class-specific imo. DHs can do 5mask runs meanwhile casters like Shadow Priests suffer horribly.
    I straight up gave up on my Spriest. Switching to Disc made it a way better experience.

  15. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Shaw is dead simple. You could easily take him down with "GOGOGO" AOE" mentality, his only mechanic is don't face the eyeballs. You could essentially do the same with Umbric. Neither of them have any difficult abilities

    The only issue with this is that you have to clear the adds before Shaw to unlock the gates so it's not efficient to go collect additional adds to AOE down with him, and there really aren't any adds near Umbric you'd be able to bring with you because you have to clear the portals and the eyeballs are stuck in place
    You miss my point - mindlessly DPSing will cause you to fail, to pretend it's only a spamfest to complete a full clear just isn't honest or accurate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amaterasu65 View Post
    The area affixes should have been class-specific imo. DHs can do 5mask runs meanwhile casters like Shadow Priests suffer horribly.
    Shockingly not every class is good at the same stuff. Visions are perfect conditions for a DH

  16. #156
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelangel View Post
    SW Visions and that stupid hotfoot jump mechanic is the absolute worst for mages. There's a couple of spots you can use a backward jump to your advantage, but if you have bad RNG, you could just as easily fling yourself into an add pack in the Dwarven District and end up dead and wasting your time.

    Mechanics that move your characters can be done well, and can be a challenge to overcome, but this mechanic is just sadistic.

    Based only on my experience, I find the Orgrimmar visions SUPER easy compared to SW.
    I'm seeing so many complaints about this, and I'm sitting here thinking...wut? This is actually the only madness in there which is BENEFICIAL for the player, not detrimental. Fighting the final boss of dwarven district, and using scorched feet to jump out of his bombs at the last second, so you don't even need to kick them. Using it to jump around from bomb to bomb/cage to cage in Trade. Moving away from chains on the second Trade boss. Hell, even just better kiting of trash mobs, on low mobility classes.

    The only hard thing about it is that many, many people still don't realize it only makes you jump if you move. If you stand still, it doesn't. But I guess a lot of people like to move around like headless chickens, in which case I guess the madness really CAN be annoying :P

    Also, two tips to make people's lives easier - Ghastly Goulash food is absofuckinglutely amazing there. It makes you more or less invincible, even if you pull entire zone. Some kiting required, obviously, but you barely need to worry about your hp.

    Also - potions that are spread around the entire zone. A lot of people still seem to believe they are random, but they're not. There's a dead guy in both Stormwind and Orgrimmar (in SW you go straight from where you start, and he's on the right side, near the edge of the map and two mobs / in Org he's on the left from where you start, in a small hut, the one before blacksmith), and the potion next to him is always the one draining your sanity. There are 5 different combinations, which always follow the same rule. Black/Green, Purple/Black, Red/Blue, Green/Red, Blue/Purple. First one is the -sanity, second is the +100 sanity one. Also, the other handy potion, -5% dmg taken, in those combinations is Red/Green/Purple/Blue/Black.

    Oh, and the odd crystals which you can gather in visions also grant you mementos and dmg/healing buff when you turn them in to the Ethereal, in SW he's in the left house of the catherral disctrict, on the way to the dwarves, in Org he's on the right, near the Auction House.
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  17. #157
    As Outlaw Rogue, I'm really enjoying it and hoping this is a precursor for Torghast, minus the mass daily grinding you have to do for them, also make it way bigger, expansive, and more rewards.

    Also instead of being stupidly easy but timed, make it hard but not timed. I like doing things where I can strategize and see what works instead of just blindly rushing into it. Hoping we can practice or run as many times as we want w/o penalty TBH.
    Still wondering why I play this game.
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  18. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by MiiiMiii View Post
    To me, they are just stressful and it's just a bunch of "move out of the AoE" every single time I cast a spell.

    I don't enjoy it at all and it's really an indicator of how Shadowlands solo content is gonna be too... I play a Resto Shaman, just like Ion does, and it just feels horrible doing these horrific visions solo, even after these nerfs... I just end up asking myself "why does this system even exist?"..

    I get they are desperate to make the game get positive feelback but the direction they are going is just completely wrong IMO. Take some inspiration from Classic and stop this dumb daily and weekly chore BS. That's just me though.

    How do u guys feel about Horrific Visions?
    The only think I don't like about Horrific Visions is that, in the Stormwind vision, I always have a -10% damage debuff against Aleria. Because whenever the 25% damage buff small zone spawns, Aleria either shoots her AE shot, or the bombs, or spawns an eye on me, or does her super-AE damage, never letting me stay longer than a second on the zone, to the point that I just ignore it completely.

    Other than that, I have been pretty much enjoying Horrific Visions. A lot, in fact.
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  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    Try and fight umbric or shaw with a "GOGOGO AOE" mentality, tell me how that goes.
    It actually went quite well, I ignored his eyeball mechanic entirely and didn't even realize you could avoid it by not facing them until some bad player was having trouble and someone told them about it in discord lmfao.

    You can quite easily burn him down without much issue.

    In fact almost every damn mechanic in these places is ignorable unless you're crazy under geared or it causes stun or silence. In SW for example I run from chains, ignore basically everything else and can still full clear. Then lets also keep in mind nothing is forcing you to full clear either, they are forgiving as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    They're pretty much 'melee or suffering' (except hunters).
    As a melee, they are not a pushover either because of all the stuff on the ground.
    So yeah, hunters and warlols are the best suited for that

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