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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by ryjkur View Post
    8/8 Nefarian down, well this didn't go as I expected. 41 minutes until release and BWL is cleared.

    Well, AQ40 will be interesting and Naxx for sure.
    Only way AQ lasts past a few hours is if blizz decides to troll everyone and release broken C'Thun as a middle finger to the "no changes" crowd. Other than that, the walks will take longer than the bosses themselves.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Varolyn View Post
    Only way AQ lasts past a few hours is if blizz decides to troll everyone and release broken C'Thun as a middle finger to the "no changes" crowd. Other than that, the walks will take longer than the bosses themselves.
    even then c'thun is getting one phased. who cares about tentacles in stomach or in walls nowadays?

  3. #263
    Alright, enough with the no changes crap.

    Changes have been made, it's time for more.

    They need to massively buff the raids or people will lose interest. It's too easy.

    1.12 talents and itemization and the 16 debuff cap trivializes things too much.

    Going forward they should change things to preserve the spirit of vanilla. Oneshotting a new raid in under 1 hour is not the spirit of vanilla.

    Increase boss health by 300%, increase armor and resistance values by 20% and increase all damage done by them by 100%.
    Last edited by enigma77; 2020-02-13 at 12:06 AM.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    Hey, maybe the people playing classic aren’t as good as you and are actually as skilled as the 7 year olds even if they are thirty.

    Then to me the appropriate analogy is that you’re the guy who walks into an adult ed ged class yelling, “LOL you idiots can’t even read, how pathetic!”

    This isn’t for you, fine. People like it. What possible purpose could you have for coming in here and raining on their parade.

    There are people in wow who spend hours every day playing the AH just to make money they can never spend. People who go stand at walls and jump repeatedly to see if they can find some sort of hidden zone. There’s a guy who tries to level cap only farming herbs in the pandaren starting zone.

    To me the essence of this game is that everyone can think about it differently. Today is a fun little competition to see who can sprint across the finish line first, it’s not a big deal. Some people find drag races fun, others prefer the Indy 500.

    You’re the guy going to a drag race saying “this is stupid any idiot can drive a car straight ahead for a few seconds.”

    Don’t be a wet blanket. It’s awful.
    Should I add clown horn after each word in your post or are you actually serious?
    Classic clown crowd seem to think they are the most elite players there are in the internet, that Classic is the hardest shit to ever exist in history of video gaming.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Alright, enough with the no changes crap.

    Changes have been made, it's time for more.

    They need to massively buff the raids or people will lose interest. It's too easy.
    Out of interest, they did it in 41 mins, what is your current progression?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Einsz View Post
    Should I add clown horn after each word in your post or are you actually serious?
    Classic clown crowd seem to think they are the most elite players there are in the internet, that Classic is the hardest shit to ever exist in history of video gaming.
    nonono, you have it all wrong - only the NEXT raid is hard, never the current one. No one EVER said [current raid] was hard, but you just wait for [next raid] - it will be VERY different.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Alright, enough with the no changes crap.

    Changes have been made, it's time for more.

    They need to massively buff the raids or people will lose interest. It's too easy.

    1.12 talents and itemization and the 16 debuff cap trivializes things too much.

    Going forward they should change things to preserve the spirit of vanilla. Oneshotting a new raid in under 1 hour is not the spirit of vanilla.

    Increase boss health by 300%, increase armor and resistance values by 20% and increase all damage done by them by 100%.

    but it's not a new raid, the mechanics have been known for 15 years....

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Einsz View Post
    Should I add clown horn after each word in your post or are you actually serious?
    Classic clown crowd seem to think they are the most elite players there are in the internet, that Classic is the hardest shit to ever exist in history of video gaming.
    Strawman. Haven't seen that anywhere on this thread. Try again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Metallourlante View Post
    It's not supposed to be fun, we are not in 2009. It's supposed to be frustrating and keep you hooked longer.

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by Criptos View Post
    but it's not a new raid, the mechanics have been known for 15 years....
    doesn't matter, we play the game in 2020 and it should be (as it already has been) altered to suit our needs

    oneshotting raids is not fun just like abusing the queue system is not fun

    preserve the spirit of the vanilla, not the numbers

  9. #269
    Quote Originally Posted by Pohut View Post
    You'd be surprised how hard Naxx actually is. Nobody will be clearing it for a while.
    Saved for future ref.

  10. #270
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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Oneshotting a new raid in under 1 hour is not the spirit of vanilla.
    Nah, that's not true.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

  11. #271
    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Alright, enough with the no changes crap.

    Changes have been made, it's time for more.

    They need to massively buff the raids or people will lose interest. It's too easy.

    1.12 talents and itemization and the 16 debuff cap trivializes things too much.

    Going forward they should change things to preserve the spirit of vanilla. Oneshotting a new raid in under 1 hour is not the spirit of vanilla.

    Increase boss health by 300%, increase armor and resistance values by 20% and increase all damage done by them by 100%.
    Nothing more but artificial difficulty. Mechanics are still very easy, and all increasing health and damage will do is just artificially inflate how long these bosses take to kill. And they're not gonna add new raid mechanics on old raids.

  12. #272
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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    doesn't matter, we play the game in 2020 and it should be (as it already has been) altered to suit our needs

    oneshotting raids is not fun just like abusing the queue system is not fun

    preserve the spirit of the vanilla, not the numbers
    Oneshotting old ass raids is fun. Speedrunning raids is fun.

    No one said you need to do it with full consumes and world buffs.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

  13. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by jackofwind View Post
    Oneshotting old ass raids is fun. Speedrunning raids is fun.

    No one said you need to do it with full consumes and world buffs.
    I don't think most people care about speedrunning.

    They care about a meaningful challenge, no not Mythic raiding jump&run like extreme difficulty. But a little challenge.

    Mechanics are simple yeah, but if they hurt enough and if the boss lives long enough, it'll be harder. As it should be.

  14. #274
    Quote Originally Posted by Varolyn View Post
    Nothing more but artificial difficulty. Mechanics are still very easy, and all increasing health and damage will do is just artificially inflate how long these bosses take to kill. And they're not gonna add new raid mechanics on old raids.
    This is the truth - with dramatically increased HP, this might have taken 51 minutes instead of 41 - nothing else would have changed. TBH, one thing the players could do is only count 25 player raids as real progression.

    Have the 40man race be LFR (which it is really), and then have a 25man ladder where it actually counts.

  15. #275
    APES 8 min faster than Calamity, lmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    I don't think most people care about speedrunning.

    They care about a meaningful challenge, no not Mythic raiding jump&run like extreme difficulty. But a little challenge.

    Mechanics are simple yeah, but if they hurt enough and if the boss lives long enough, it'll be harder. As it should be.
    That's just an artificially inflated difficulty, no different than nerfing bosses to only drop a single item so the raid takes longer to gear up.

    It doesn't make it harder, it just makes it longer.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Because fuck you, that's why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Majestic12 View Post
    APES 8 min faster than Calamity, lmao.
    helped them to lose even faster! lmao

  18. #278
    With the first clear happening 40 minutes and 32 seconds after launch, I wanna hear what the people who thought it would take days to clear are thinking.
    VOTING IS MOB RULE AND MOB RULE IS MEDIA RULE AND
    MEDIA RULE IS CORPORATE RULE

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    the state of classic wow

  20. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by The Oblivion View Post
    helped them to lose even faster! lmao
    That makes no sense.

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