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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by tehealadin View Post
    I don't get why people are getting upset over this. The king can do as he wants. When the king said he could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it, it was just a statement of reality. People need to accept that he is the king for at least another 4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if he altered things so that he can rule for life. And there isn't a thing anyone can do to stop him (unless he fucks with gun ownership, which won't happen), so people might as well just accept it. It is like getting angry at the weather.
    You do realize that this country was founded on being angry at the king right?

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by tehealadin View Post
    I don't get why people are getting upset over this. The king can do as he wants. When the king said he could shoot someone in Times Square and get away with it, it was just a statement of reality. People need to accept that he is the king for at least another 4 years, I wouldn't be surprised if he altered things so that he can rule for life. And there isn't a thing anyone can do to stop him (unless he fucks with gun ownership, which won't happen), so people might as well just accept it. It is like getting angry at the weather.
    You have this weird notion that the US is a monarchy.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Toppy View Post
    Here's the thing.

    He didn't.
    Here is the thing.

    I don't think you got my message.

  4. #124
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ueller-952563/

    And federal prosecutors are terrified of the political appointees within the DoJ taking more control over affairs and meddling.

    This.
    Is.
    What.
    The.
    Path.
    To.
    Authoritarianism.
    Looks.
    Like.

    - - - Updated - - -

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/barr...ry?id=68963276

    I wonder if Barr thinks anyone actually buys this line of horse shit.

  5. #125
    Well, well.
    Barr blasts Trump's tweets on Stone case: 'Impossible for me to do my job': ABC News Exclusive - ABC News - via @ABC https://t.co/ZJdSlf1Cfu
    https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/sta...623132190?s=19

    No. This is Barr telling Trump he is an idiot for publicly tweeting what was supposed to be a secret and cover-up.

    Well Barr can't say this cause the orange baby will get mad.
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  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    Here is the thing.

    I don't think you got my message.
    No I get it. It's a shitty misdirection. You aren't looking to discuss, you're just throwing shit out and hoping it sticks. Its not just that Obama didn't, it's that he wouldn't have in the first place. It also ignores that the democrats HAVE been known to self moderate when their own have done shitty things within the last few years, a thing the GOP does not do.

    Stop with the fucking whataboutism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    Here is the thing.

    I don't think you got my message.
    I don't think you got the message that nobody cares about your made up whataboutism bullshit.
    /s

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/SykesCharlie/sta...623132190?s=19

    No. This is Barr telling Trump he is an idiot for publicly tweeting what was supposed to be a secret and cover-up.

    Well Barr can't say this cause the orange baby will get mad.
    Yeah, I don't buy a word of this Barr being critical of the president crap. This continues our longrunning tradition of the media repeating this administration's lies and taking them at face value despite that value being proven worthless over and over and over and over and over again.

    Sorry, Barr. You don't lose all of your case's prosecutors because everything was happening by the book. No, no one believes that you're a victim in this, or that the president had no input, or that you're just so upset that he's making your job difficult. These people are getting bolder with their bullshit by the day. By the minute.

  9. #129
    Also, in light of Barr complaining that Trumps tweeting makes his job "impossible", there's a very easy solution.

    He can resign. Then, it's not his problem anymore. And he won't have to drop tens of thousands on Trump properties for parties, either.

  10. #130
    Federal judge (not Amy Jackson) pushes back against Trump criticism of handling of Roger Stone case

    Judge Beryl A. Howell responded to President Trump’s attacks on Stone’s sentencing judge, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson, assuring “public criticism or pressure is not a factor” in the court’s decision.

    Howell further underscored that judges do not take sentencing lightly and said that his colleagues take all aspects of the case into consideration when they make a decision.

    “The Judges of this court base their sentencing decision on careful consideration of the actual record in the case before them; the applicable sentencing guidelines and statutory factors; the submission of the parties, the Probation Office of the victims; and their own judgement and experience,” Howell’s statement read.
    Acquittal doesn't mean exoneration


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    So it's a "Kremlin-Brand I said was a statically fact. You should refrain from your 1960 McCarthyism that shows you have no real substance to stand on.If you are ignorant of the wealthy and privileged clear advantage in our judicial system means you should educate yourself.

    Or perhaps all those Civil Rights Protesters in the 1960 really were dirty communist? I mean it was all the justification the FBI needed to wire tape and follow around political activist. Ignoring the past, present, means we can't make a better future. You're just flat wrong because pointing out the injustice in America is the most American thing anyone can do.

    "Most American discussions of Kremlin influence efforts characterize Putin’s stance as pro-Republican and anti-Democrat, but that’s not correct. The formula is pro-populist, anti-establishment. On the whole, populist movements may be healthy injections of political participation for democracies, and America’s politics could certainly use an antidote to what appears to be growing control by the richest of the rich. But for the Kremlin, they offer a disorganized, easily infiltrated counter to establishment governments checking Putin’s power. Populists often lack sufficient foreign policy knowledge and their inexperience leaves them ill-equipped to react to Putin’s maneuvers. (President Trump’s first term, thus far, is a relevant case study.) In 2020, Kremlin propagandists will seek to connect populist right and populist left audiences through shared narratives designed to normalize Russia’s agenda in America, demoralize democratic constituents and neutralize political establishment counters to Russian advances abroad and inroads into American society."


    If you wish to be Kremlin propagandist working to destroy the United States, then you are (for now) free to do so; but at least have the self-awareness to acknowledge that is what you are doing (self-awareness, along with empathy, are a large part what makes us human - those who abandon both, as many in the United States have, particularly but by no means exclusively the adherents and champions of the political right, are rejecting their own humanity).
    "In today’s America, conservatives who actually want to conserve are as rare as liberals who actually want to liberate. The once-significant language of an earlier era has had the meaning sucked right out of it, the better to serve as camouflage for a kleptocratic feeding frenzy in which both establishment parties participate with equal abandon" (Taking a break from the criminal, incompetent liars at the NSA, to bring you the above political observation, from The Archdruid Report.)

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    If you wish to be Kremlin propagandist working to destroy the United States, then you are (for now) free to do so; but at least have the self-awareness to acknowledge that is what you are doing (self-awareness, along with empathy, are a large part what makes us human - those who abandon both, as many in the United States have, particularly but by no means exclusively the adherents and champions of the political right, are rejecting their own humanity).
    If Russia wants to help push progressive values into american society and help overthrow the establishment elites then I welcome their support with open arms.

    We can deal with Russia acting out in geopolitics afterwards either way.
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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    If Russia wants to help push progressive values into american society and help overthrow the establishment elites then I welcome their support with open arms.

    We can deal with Russia acting out in geopolitics afterwards either way.
    The choice is between "perpetuate system of oppression that has been using trappings of 'freedom' and 'democracy' for so long that many people started to think injustice is necessary part of it" and "actually change things" (with no guarantees that it will be for the better).

    And, obviously, Russia is on the side of change here. Because it doesn't like current situation, and certainly doesn't like current establishment still stuck in Cold War mindset.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by Templar 331 View Post
    You do realize that this country was founded on being angry at the king right?
    And why is this relevant?

    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    You have this weird notion that the US is a monarchy.
    It may as well be at this point.
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  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    If Russia wants to help push progressive values into american society and help overthrow the establishment elites then I welcome their support with open arms.

    We can deal with Russia acting out in geopolitics afterwards either way.
    No way would I after all the shit they have done - both to themselves and to us. If they were to offer to help I would know there was a terrible price to pay for it and/or it will work out in their favor-plans somehow, and by "plans" i mean clearly something global and unwholesome.

    Oh, and also asking a foreign power to interfere in our election is, you know, treasonous. Especially if that gets normalized because you're inviting ALL kinds of outside powers in at that point to influence things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paranoid Android View Post
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...855976449?s=19

    Jeezus! He is attacking a federal judge on a case that he has ties with. At best just saying this about any case as President is awful.

    Oh btw the judge has not made a Sentencing recommendation yet. Still 9 days away.
    Also, is that fucking moron ever going to get over Hillary Clinton?

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I just want to make an aside on this particular point;

    It feels like there's been a shift where a claim of "evil" is an argument of some deep, monstrous, inhuman deviancy. For a half-century or more, now, we've known this isn't tenable. Between Arendt's book on Eichmann and the "banality of evil", and the Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments, we know that "evil" is essentially communicable and that a large chunk of the population are at risk. It is fostered not just through outright malice, but also ignorance and obedience to a higher authority.

    [snip]

    I also really don't want to get into debating Arendt's position on Eichmann specifically; I'm aware that there's criticism, but I think she was spot-on with this concept.
    I think I've responded to this before stating that I realize/created a simple-form calculation that "Evil", to me, is basically defined by the level of disparity between one's own selfish interest and the detrimental unnecessary expense of other people. The greater the disparity, the more "evil" you are. It's also a nice metric as it can also measure the "good" in other people by how close and/or reverse one person goes. Other things that factor in the calculation should be willingly/unwillingly doing things (ie. did you willingly know this was happening by your actions? and obviously number of actions. ect)

    The only value point I have yet to determine is an absolute threshold by which one unquestioningly crosses into "evil" territory, or even the necessity of one really.
    Last edited by mvaliz; 2020-02-14 at 03:42 PM.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    If Russia wants to help push progressive values into american society and help overthrow the establishment elites then I welcome their support with open arms.

    We can deal with Russia acting out in geopolitics afterwards either way.
    Ah Russia the bastion of progressive values.

    You really have lost the plot. Grayzone tankies really do have brain worms.

    You do realise that the Russian operation is actively pushing white supremacist violence and sepratism right?
    Ontop of attacks to vital institutions.


    Infracted.
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  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    If Russia wants to help push progressive values into american society and help overthrow the establishment elites then I welcome their support with open arms.

    We can deal with Russia acting out in geopolitics afterwards either way.
    You're doing a great job of proving far-left progressives are no different than far-right regressives right now, champ.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    You're doing a great job of proving far-left progressives are no different than far-right regressives right now, champ.
    Both sides share a hatred for a corrupt establishment elite. There is nothing wrong about that.
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