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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Oh the EULA that says "unauthorized" cloud gaming isn't allowed? I know I need to spell things out for you, so did you notice the "unauthorized" word? Good.

    And you actually think Nvidia is going to spend a fat chunk of money developing and testing a service and not have lawyers vet the legality of it and ensure the stuff they are using is "authorized"? Notice how that "authorized" does NOT have a "un" in front of it like the one in the first sentence? Good.

    Now stop bothering me.
    If it were authorized they'd be a legal agreement between 2 PLCs (Activision-Blizzard and Nvidia corporation). Such agreements since there is at least one PLC involved HAS to be opened to public scrutiny due to the nature of public share holders. If such an agreement exist we'd know about it, it would be easy to find. The fact it isn't easy to find means it is 99% likely never existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vorkreist View Post
    Lets use our brain a bit.
    400 dollar shit laptop + 5 dollars sub + 60 $ top AAA game with requirements that barely get cover on a 3k pc setup = 1080p 60 fps AAA gaming.
    400 dollar shit laptop + piratebay = oh my 400 laptop and my dumb brain got fried when I tried to run latest Red Dead Redemption which filled my entire HDD.

    Cloud gaming is not targeted at someone who is so broke he can't afford a cheap sub + buy a game to play on his cheap laptop.
    Cloud gaming is targeted in the long run on everyone who can't afford to throw 10k for the latest top end RTX and i999 cpu. Its a cheaper alternative in any way you can think of. People can't see the larger picture and understand that the future is all cloud gaming. You will eventually play high requirement games on a any device with just a crap cheap netflix like subscription. Microsoft is just now pushing a bundle of games under a single sub. Most of the top companies have their own cloud gaming projects. Everything is moving that way. Piracy has been dying slowly for quite a while. If you can afford a pc that can run AAA games of today you can afford buying the fucking games.
    Lol, did you really use a $5 + $60 game as an example?
    Who would buy one game and keep it forever?
    I'm not saying that cloud gaming is not the future. I'm not saying the opposite either. I'm saying is that they are approaching it wrong.
    There's Netflix streaming movies. Spotify streaming music. And tons of alternatives- You pay a monthly fee and have access to tons of shit. Not everything, but tons of shit.
    Once gaming industry gets that through their thick, money grabbing heads, that's when cloud gaming will take off. Until then, not going to happen.

    Also, piracy is not dying and it's not going away.
    Here's one of the reasons why:
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...y-is-back.html
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  3. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Strawberry View Post
    Lol, did you really use a $5 + $60 game as an example?
    Who would buy one game and keep it forever?
    I'm not saying that cloud gaming is not the future. I'm not saying the opposite either. I'm saying is that they are approaching it wrong.
    There's Netflix streaming movies. Spotify streaming music. And tons of alternatives- You pay a monthly fee and have access to tons of shit. Not everything, but tons of shit.
    Once gaming industry gets that through their thick, money grabbing heads, that's when cloud gaming will take off. Until then, not going to happen.

    Also, piracy is not dying and it's not going away.
    Here's one of the reasons why:
    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019...y-is-back.html
    Xbox game pass. PS Now. Both operate like netflix except you dl the content to ensure the best experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    But like...they shouldn't have been up there to begin with without approval. Like, holy shit. I work with licensors frequently, and if we pulled something like this without their knowledge they'd go fucking ballistic. And then fire us. And then sue my company to dust. And if we didn't have an agreement with them, like in this instance, they'd have some angry phone calls followed by a parade of lawyers to end our company forever.

    This is standard partnership 101 stuff. Which is why I find this so mystifying, nvidia isn't a small or inexperienced company. This shit shouldn't be happening.

    And if nvidia only has patent lawyers, which I'd bet a lot they don't, then they're similarly stupid. They have their own TOS/EULA for their various software, so it's not something that should be foreign to their legal team.
    Fair enough, but this area is a weird murky new area. They aren’t selling the software, just the ability to run it. I agree they should have read the eula for everything they listed as “officially supported”, but at this point is looks like they didn’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corroc View Post
    Most likely botting.
    I would think this is the case. You could possibly run a bunch of instances of wow on the same PC using a streaming service. And it wouldn't be any where near as taxing as running those instances locally.

  5. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Fair enough, but this area is a weird murky new area. They aren’t selling the software, just the ability to run it. I agree they should have read the eula for everything they listed as “officially supported”, but at this point is looks like they didn’t.
    It's definitely murky because it's new, but that should have meant they were extra careful. Nothing would kill it faster than being sued for all this.

  6. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    If it were authorized they'd be a legal agreement between 2 PLCs (Activision-Blizzard and Nvidia corporation). Such agreements since there is at least one PLC involved HAS to be opened to public scrutiny due to the nature of public share holders. If such an agreement exist we'd know about it, it would be easy to find. The fact it isn't easy to find means it is 99% likely never existed.
    Oh ya? Prove that, that kind of authorization needs to be made public armchair expert.

    As for your other dumb, toxic comment. I don’t want a new computer and to get one that runs at the level the games on GeForce run at is way beyond anything I’m going to buy just to play a handful of games I need a computer to play.
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    I took the time to go through this whole thread and I have just ONE question for Mods who've commented so far: Why have you allowed this thread to continue to exist, let alone let the OP argue his opinion and bash everyone who tried to give him facts and truth against his worldview?

    The initial post was answered logically, calmly and reasonably at least a two dozen times--including both of you--at this point. I wasted 15 minutes of my life reading every single post in this thread and want to spare someone else the same anguish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    https://www.pcgamer.com/activision-b...m-geforce-now/

    Seriously F&^% this company.

    Some of us bought games and used this service to play those games that got removed out of nowhere with literally no explanation. Not to mention the F-ing beta went on for over 2 years and they never had an issue with it then.

    I literally can't play any games now as I only have a Mac pro.

    Why would they do this to hurt their name even more after the Warcraft 3 debacle barely a week ago? I'm genuinely pissed.
    What games did you buy and/or are subscribed to that you can't even play since you just have a "Mac Pro"? Why did you buy/subscribe to these games in the first place? Genuinely curious, not shaming.

  9. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Oh ya? Prove that, that kind of authorization needs to be made public armchair expert.
    For a publicly traded company engaging in a financial agreement with another publicly traded company? Uh...yeah...that's the kind of shit that generally needs to be announced per FTC guidelines.

  10. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    https://www.pcgamer.com/activision-b...m-geforce-now/

    Seriously F&^% this company.

    Some of us bought games and used this service to play those games that got removed out of nowhere with literally no explanation. Not to mention the F-ing beta went on for over 2 years and they never had an issue with it then.

    I literally can't play any games now as I only have a Mac pro.

    Why would they do this to hurt their name even more after the Warcraft 3 debacle barely a week ago? I'm genuinely pissed.
    Maybe, just maybe Nvidia did something wrong? Ever think of that? We don't know the full story but many other publishers have pulled their games too, but yet you only cry foul at Blizzard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Oh ya? Prove that, that kind of authorization needs to be made public armchair expert.

    As for your other dumb, toxic comment. I don’t want a new computer and to get one that runs at the level the games on GeForce run at is way beyond anything I’m going to buy just to play a handful of games I need a computer to play.
    Maybe you should listen to those explaining how you are wrong or at the very least, google these basic fucking things you seem to know nothing about but go on like you what the fuck you are talking about.

  11. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    It's definitely murky because it's new, but that should have meant they were extra careful. Nothing would kill it faster than being sued for all this.
    That's why they sought permission before they began charging for access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Oh ya? Prove that, that kind of authorization needs to be made public armchair expert.

    As for your other dumb, toxic comment. I don’t want a new computer and to get one that runs at the level the games on GeForce run at is way beyond anything I’m going to buy just to play a handful of games I need a computer to play.
    If you own a Mac Pro from the last decade you shouldn't need to buy a new computer. You still haven't told us what Mac Pro you own though, so I'm starting to doubt you do.
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  12. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    Maybe, just maybe Nvidia did something wrong? Ever think of that? We don't know the full story but many other publishers have pulled their games too, but yet you only cry foul at Blizzard.

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    Maybe you should listen to those explaining how you are wrong or at the very least, google these basic fucking things you seem to know nothing about but go on like you what the fuck you are talking about.
    Nvidia released a statement about it, Activision didn’t and has a history of not being pro consumer, but you’re right we don’t know details, like I’ve said 90 Fing times.

    Maybe I should listen to who explaining how I’m wrong? No one has proved me wrong on a Fing thing and in fact the opposite has happened throughout this entire Fing thread. Not to mention I get zero recognition when I flat out prove them wrong. Generally a bunch of armchair experts falling flat.

    If it’s a basic thing it should be easy to prove that every single authorization and agreement is public knowledge.

  13. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Nvidia released a statement about it, Activision didn’t and has a history of not being pro consumer, but you’re right we don’t know details, like I’ve said 90 Fing times.

    Maybe I should listen to who explaining how I’m wrong? No one has proved me wrong on a Fing thing and in fact the opposite has happened throughout this entire Fing thread. Not to mention I get zero recognition when I flat out prove them wrong. Generally a bunch of armchair experts falling flat.

    If it’s a basic thing it should be easy to prove that every single authorization and agreement is public knowledge.
    Then you should know that financial agreement between 2 publicly traded companies have to be made public. And multiple other publishers have pulled thier games too. Yet you just want to pile shining Blizzard and you attitude in this thread make you seem like a troll or someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.

  14. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhammer View Post
    Then you should know that financial agreement between 2 publicly traded companies have to be made public. And multiple other publishers have pulled thier games too. Yet you just want to pile shining Blizzard and you attitude in this thread make you seem like a troll or someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.
    Then it should be really easy for you to find agreements from Bungie, Epic games, and Steam.

  15. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Then it should be really easy for you to find agreements from Bungie, Epic games, and Steam.
    Ummm. Steam is software, not a company.

    And even taking the companies behind those, Bungie, Epic and Valve are all private companies, completely different to Blizzard-Activision, which is publicly traded.
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    FruitySalad boy, this is a fantastic thread and is really going places. I just want to make sure I'm on page one of what is bound to be a long lasting and productive thread. It's amazing there are no other threads discussing the squish, as I'm confident you would have just posted in them if they did exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stickiler View Post
    Ummm. Steam is software, not a company.

    And even taking the companies behind those, Bungie, Epic and Valve are all private companies, completely different to Blizzard-Activision, which is publicly traded.
    Okay fair.

    Then literally any company with a game currently on GeForce Now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    Fucking gross lol...
    I get the sense google is even worse run than Acti, when it comes to these side projects, how much shit do they introduce that just fails out the gate. Stadia has been awful from day one, and out of all the companies in the world, Google with their scrooge mcduck money should be able to just throw cash at it to make it work, but they dont.
    throwing money at technology doesn't just make it work.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    Some of us bought games and used this service to play those games that got removed out of nowhere with literally no explanation. Not to mention the F-ing beta went on for over 2 years and they never had an issue with it then.
    More likely this is because Blizzard/Activision can't guarantee a consistent gameplay experience. This is cloud gaming after all, and therefore some players may experience lag. Neither Blizzard/Activision nor Nvidia can guarantee the players a good experience. This is probably to do with quality control assurance.
    I literally can't play any games now as I only have a Mac pro.
    Buying a Mac is a mistake. Playing games through cloud gaming is a mistake. What stopped you from getting a Windows PC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vash The Stampede View Post
    More likely this is because Blizzard/Activision can't guarantee a consistent gameplay experience. This is cloud gaming after all, and therefore some players may experience lag. Neither Blizzard/Activision nor Nvidia can guarantee the players a good experience. This is probably to do with quality control assurance.

    Buying a Mac is a mistake. Playing games through cloud gaming is a mistake. What stopped you from getting a Windows PC?
    It’s been a few years since I got the Mac. Heard great things about it constantly at the time and overall I’ve really liked it, short of its inability to play games well. It’s a better user experience and quality of life all around.

    Cloud gaming works mostly pretty great for me honestly.

  20. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo03 View Post
    It’s been a few years since I got the Mac. Heard great things about it constantly at the time and overall I’ve really liked it, short of its inability to play games well. It’s a better user experience and quality of life all around.

    Cloud gaming works mostly pretty great for me honestly.
    If your mac is only a few years old you can play WoW without geforce now lmao. At this point I think you just wanted to make a whine about blizzard post.

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